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Dr. Who

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I'd very much like to see your work, Sir. It would be very helpful in my own search for effective UVB sources that meet the needs of my growing style.
Like I said, I'll look for it...Tomorrow mourning before lights on.....I spent all day in my grows.....Everybody took the day off, I had to do all the work for all 3....


I'll add to it if need be....I got the notebook out from it when at the main site today.....I knew I might have to redo the post..

Doc
 

Darth Vapour

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i personally think adding UVB to a plant is not going to make it more potent or Frostier its genetics period most of the UVB in nature is blocked from our atmosphere if it really was the case then high altitude areas would be killing strains grown as for THC / resin production being grown near the equator yet its not happening
UVB not only causes cancer to us but destroys DNA in plants people start to believe in something and will switch to the idea and believe there is a difference when in fact there wasn't
Same thing can apply for a high THC sativa strain where it tests 20 percent THC grown out door at the equator place same strain at 9800 feet above sea level north of the 60th parallel and strain would be lucky to get 12 percent THC just saying and being 9800 feet above sea level have lots of UVB hitting plant
people tend to think that stressing the plant or placing it in a harsh climate possibly Higher UVB area its going to produce more resin to protect it self ,, personally having this happen or to see a change would be like evolution ape to man its not going to happen litterally over night all you would be doing is damaging the plants genetics this is just my thoughts thou UVB is important an i think its more of a triggering effect process for the plant

UV-B that reaches the earth is absorbed by the stratospheric ozone layer and therefore UV-B wavelengths are only a small fraction of sunlight at the earth's surface. Nevertheless, since UV-B is the most energetic part of the daylight spectrum it has the potential to damage macromolecules such as DNA and proteins, generate reactive oxygen species (ROS) and impair cellular processes.

However, UV-B is not solely an agent of damage and has an important role as a regulatory signal. In particular, the perception of low levels of UV-B by plants actively promotes survival because it stimulates responses that help to protect against and repair UV-damage. Plants are unavoidably exposed to UV-B because they need to capture sunlight for photosynthesis. The fact that plants rarely display signs of UV-damage in the natural environment demonstrates that they have evolved very effective mechanisms for UV-protection and repair. The protective mechanisms include the deposition of UV-absorbing phenolic compounds in the outer epidermal tissues and the production of anti-oxidant systems. Repair of UV-damage involves enzymes such as DNA photolyases. Furthermore, responses to UV-B modify the biochemical composition of plants, influence plant morphology and help to deter pests and pathogens. It is well established that many plant responses to UV-B involve the regulation of gene expression. UV-B exposure stimulates the expression of hundreds of genes, including those involved in UV-protection and repair.

It is important to understand how plants respond to UV-B and to determine the contribution of UV-B responses to normal plant growth and development. In fact, it will not be possible to obtain a complete understanding of the role of light in controlling plant development without knowledge of the regulatory effects of UV-B. Much remains to be learnt about the cellular and molecular mechanisms of UV-B perception
 

ttystikk

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i personally think adding UVB to a plant is not going to make it more potent or Frostier its genetics period most of the UVB in nature is blocked from our atmosphere if it really was the case then high altitude areas would be killing strains grown as for THC / resin production being grown near the equator yet its not happening
UVB not only causes cancer to us but destroys DNA in plants people start to believe in something and will switch to the idea and believe there is a difference when in fact there wasn't
Same thing can apply for a high THC sativa strain where it tests 20 percent THC grown out door at the equator place same strain at 9800 feet above sea level north of the 60th parallel and strain would be lucky to get 12 percent THC just saying and being 9800 feet above sea level have lots of UVB hitting plant
people tend to think that stressing the plant or placing it in a harsh climate possibly Higher UVB area its going to produce more resin to protect it self ,, personally having this happen or to see a change would be like evolution ape to man its not going to happen litterally over night all you would be doing is damaging the plants genetics this is just my thoughts thou UVB is important an i think its more of a triggering effect process for the plant

UV-B that reaches the earth is absorbed by the stratospheric ozone layer and therefore UV-B wavelengths are only a small fraction of sunlight at the earth's surface. Nevertheless, since UV-B is the most energetic part of the daylight spectrum it has the potential to damage macromolecules such as DNA and proteins, generate reactive oxygen species (ROS) and impair cellular processes.

However, UV-B is not solely an agent of damage and has an important role as a regulatory signal. In particular, the perception of low levels of UV-B by plants actively promotes survival because it stimulates responses that help to protect against and repair UV-damage. Plants are unavoidably exposed to UV-B because they need to capture sunlight for photosynthesis. The fact that plants rarely display signs of UV-damage in the natural environment demonstrates that they have evolved very effective mechanisms for UV-protection and repair. The protective mechanisms include the deposition of UV-absorbing phenolic compounds in the outer epidermal tissues and the production of anti-oxidant systems. Repair of UV-damage involves enzymes such as DNA photolyases. Furthermore, responses to UV-B modify the biochemical composition of plants, influence plant morphology and help to deter pests and pathogens. It is well established that many plant responses to UV-B involve the regulation of gene expression. UV-B exposure stimulates the expression of hundreds of genes, including those involved in UV-protection and repair.

It is important to understand how plants respond to UV-B and to determine the contribution of UV-B responses to normal plant growth and development. In fact, it will not be possible to obtain a complete understanding of the role of light in controlling plant development without knowledge of the regulatory effects of UV-B. Much remains to be learnt about the cellular and molecular mechanisms of UV-B perception
Many points you make about UVB here are incorrect.

First, it's water vapor in the atmosphere that absorbs UVB. Much more of that at lower altitudes than higher ones.

Second, UVB supplementation is well proven. Saying it isn't is simply uninformed.

Mountain vs tropical varieties have indeed adapted to their environments- both naturally and with the help of thousands of years of human selection. They both respond to UVB.

Much research has already been done on the interaction of UVB with cannabis; for example, the most responsive site on the plant is the microscopic pad at the base of each trichome that secretes the very materials we want most. Even the spherical shape of the trich itself has been shown to help focus UVB in particular directly onto this pad.

And I'm sure there's more I have yet to read.
 

Darth Vapour

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i would like to see the scientific data on this tysk is there any ???
Ozone's unique physical properties allow the ozone layer to act as our planet's sunscreen, providing an invisible filter to help protect all life forms from the sun's damaging UV. All UV-C and most incoming UV-B is absorbed by ozone and prevented from reaching the Earth's surface. Without the protective effect of ozone, life on Earth would not have evolved the way it has.
 

Darth Vapour

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on thing is some plant species being uv tolerant lets no take this out of context right i mean seriously with MJ testing just starting in the medical fields one has to think that there is not much documented unbiased tests done with UVB and marijuana
 

Dr. Who

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Well Darth, I base my conclusions on the testing I did some years back...
In a nutshell. It works.....Not super duper changes....But Like I said.....

Look back in day or so and I'll post a long one on my findings....I'll include the #s and times including how blind testing for "felt" difference's in "buzz" was done and who the testers were in relation to me and what I do..

Doc
 

Darth Vapour

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one has to think only 7 percent of the electromagnetic radiation emitted from the sun comes in the 200 - 400 nm as it passes through the atmosphere ..
The total flux transmitted is greatly reduced and the composition of the UV radiation is modified Short wave radiation 200 - 280 nm is completely absorbed by atmospheric gases
UV-B radiation 280 - 320 nm is additionally absorbed by the stratosphere and thus only a small portion is transmitted to the earths surface
 

Dr. Who

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on thing is some plant species being uv tolerant lets no take this out of context right i mean seriously with MJ testing just starting in the medical fields one has to think that there is not much documented unbiased tests done with UVB and marijuana
Good point! Some strains DO have differing response's to UV exposure....I'll cover that too...

I mean it does work. The thing is, is the amount of change worth to cost of doing it? That can vary by what and how much you grow.

Doc
 

Darth Vapour

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Elevated UV-B radiation (UV-B) has pleiotropic effects on plant development, morphology, and physiology, summarized in Table I. The morphological consequences of UV-B-supplemented white-light treatment include reduced growth, thickening of leaves and of cuticular wax layers. In addition, a lower photosynthetic capacity due to degradation of the D1 protein of photosystem II and reduced pollen fertility have been described for various plant species (Jansen et al., 1998; Caldwell et al., 2003).
 

innerG

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I like MH for the first two and last week of flowering. I use a flouro/HID combination though, so even under HPS they get some blue spectrum light
 

bravedave

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I like MH for the first two and last week of flowering. I use a flouro/HID combination though, so even under HPS they get some blue spectrum light
What you do now is my plan next. Was there an evolution you care to share? And hopefully a revelation. :)
 

lilzuko

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So with all this uvb information going back and forth, I have installed my 10k bulb by solistek this morning, but my question is, since uv is absorbed before it hits life in the soil outside, to be able to try to mimic that effect indoors, do I keep my glass on my reflector or take it off?
I know keeping the glass on will block some uv but keeping it off will give it the full uv spectrum the bulb gives off also with the rise of temp in my tent.
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ttystikk

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i would like to see the scientific data on this tysk is there any ???
Ozone's unique physical properties allow the ozone layer to act as our planet's sunscreen, providing an invisible filter to help protect all life forms from the sun's damaging UV. All UV-C and most incoming UV-B is absorbed by ozone and prevented from reaching the Earth's surface. Without the protective effect of ozone, life on Earth would not have evolved the way it has.
That's more UVC. Anyway, the basic idea that UVB supplementation is effective isn't in doubt.
 

Darth Vapour

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That's more UVC. Anyway, the basic idea that UVB supplementation is effective isn't in doubt.
all good bro i am not trying to start anything i just think that for what its worth and costs and little gains if any i mean we need hard scientific data from actual lab conditions test facilities to really decide if its worth it or not
IMO we could get pretty much same results just be influencing colder temps in late flowering 4th week flowering look at the frost on them bitches picture1209a.jpgpicture1151.jpg
 
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