MH and HPS

WimpyVNWK

Member
hey everyone i am sort of a noob just on my second grow and I have a 400 watt hps in a 4x2.5 room and it is not enough lite for the ends of the room and I want to get one more light a 400watt but i am not sure if I should get a MH or a hps
I heard that combining the two is the best is this true:joint:
 

rsharp

Well-Known Member
hey wimpy V. your situation sounds similar to mine. about the same size grow room and we both have a 400. maybe instead of buying another 400 watter you can throw in some CFL's. ive include some pics to give you an idea. I havnt had any problems and have noticed tremendous growth every single day!

In this pic you can see my HPS and my three 42 watt cfl's. one for each plant. this takes care off all the side lighting. by the way these big cfl's are only $3.70 a piece at 1000bulbs.com. Good Luck!!

 

zem

Well-Known Member
another 400 will be overkill in there. you can shrink the room a bit next grow try make it more squarish. my 400 easily covers 3x2.6.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
The MH will give you more compact growth, but the HPS will provide more overall growth due to the extra 15,000 Lumens it puts out over the equivalent wattage MH light.
 

WimpyVNWK

Member
Thanks for your input guys
I have never had experience with cfls but they sound like a cheap solution
and do you think that 2 400 watters is really overkill? the reason I ask is that i already have a 400 watt convertable magnetic ballast that will not power my hps but will power a mh for some odd reason. but if it will be too much light for that area then ill probably go with the cfls
 

zem

Well-Known Member
ah well then you will be more than pleased by flowering with MH compact buds! for sure better than cfl's
 

zem

Well-Known Member
As long as you control the heat the two hid's will kick ass in there. Consider a little extra co2.
well yes if you can supplement CO2 with tank regulator setup then yes, add another 400. you will probably have to get A/C to do it though.
 

Ponicengineer

Well-Known Member
The most economical option is supplementing the HID with some CFL on the sides. Just remember to mix them up. Some 65k, some 27k. Adding a MH to the mix will blow the doors off a CFL but then you will need to have some more effective cooling solutions implemented.
 

Brick Top

New Member
If you have a 400-watt HID and it will not supply adequate light coverage to a; "4x2.5 room" you either have the wrong reflective hood, terrible reflective material or both. I know people that grow in areas that are 5' X 5', if not slightly larger, using a 400-watt HID and they have all the light they need, all the way down to the bottoms of their plants and all the way out to the edges of their most outer plants.

Some people do not realize the importance of picking the right or correct or best reflective hood, and one of very high quality, for the space they grow in and they do not realize how important reflective light is. Roughly 40% of a yield will come from the outer portions of plants and what makes or breaks the quality of that percentage is how good someone's reflective material is.

You could put a 600-watt HID in there and if you picked the wrong reflective hood and used poor reflective material if wouldn't be enough lighting to do the job. Some reflective hoods focus the light into such a narrow/small footprint that they cannot cover the size area the actual wattage is capable of covering. Others, like batwing designs, are open ended and you lose a large amount of light to the sides that even with good reflective material is never fully utilized because it will not all be reflected down or back against the plants and instead some will be reflected back under the light and upwards.

Maybe you just need to look for a large wide coverage high quality reflective hood and if your reflective material is not high quality consider upgrading it.

One guy I know uses a Big Kahuna hood he bought from HTGS for his 400-watt HID and he said it made all the difference in the world over his old hood.

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And I have read on sites like this where people have said the same thing about the XXXL Magnum.


  • Maximum air cooling with built-in 6″ fittings
Magnum XXXL 6″ Air-Cooled Reflector

  • The largest reflectors in the industry!
  • Reflector dimensions: 32 1/2″ long x 26 1/4″ wide x 7 3/4″ tall
  • Includes tempered glass, built-in socket & 15 ft. lamp cord
  • Completely sealed – featuring gasketed glass and integrated retention bars to hold glass tightly in place
  • 95% reflective German aluminum interior offers excellent reflectivity and diffusion
  • Re-strike bend above the lamp for optimum performance
  • Powder-coated galvanized steel body
  • Maximum air cooling with built-in 6″ fittings

I have read where some people claimed they were too large to use with a 400-watt HID and you should use a 600-watt or 1000-watt with them, but the guy I know who uses one uses his Big Kahuna with a 400-watt HID and he said the difference was like night and day in how how plants grew and responded once he switched to it and I have read the same basic thing about the XXXL Magnum.

You might want to consider just upgrading your hood and possibly your reflective material too, depending on what you now use.

Those are just examples, but something that you need to shoehorn into your space and would throw light everywhere might be all you need to change.
 

WimpyVNWK

Member
I was thinking of what ZEM said 2 400 watters will be way overkill in the little room and what jealous green said mixed spectrum is beneficial but i would have to control my heat so you two had me lookin in my filthy as garage and I found my dads old 175 mh light and ballast=) Im going to use that until I have the means to buy a new air cooled hood and MH bulb so I can place a 400 watter in there this way I dont have to worry about the heat I have the sog method so the 175 watter will be over the smallest of the bunch and the hps over the closer to harvest ladies do you think that this will be fine?
 

klassifyme

Active Member
Thanks for your input guys
I have never had experience with cfls but they sound like a cheap solution
and do you think that 2 400 watters is really overkill? the reason I ask is that i already have a 400 watt convertable magnetic ballast that will not power my hps but will power a mh for some odd reason. but if it will be too much light for that area then ill probably go with the cfls
either the switch or the ignitor is broken/loose, switch would cost a few bucks, maybe 20-30 for an ignitor, easy fixes if you wanted hps to work
 
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