Michigan Growers Tell Your Plans for This Year

But 12 for 200 is just too expensive for me.
Let me know if anyone knows someone that will give clones for cheaper.
Or even feminized seeds.
and im also interested in some autoflowers if someone has some seeds they are willing to get rid of.
Thanks!
Troy[/QUOTE]

Marijuana is what we do. If you want a pack of autos then let's get ya a pack. I buy em, you make seeds. you give hic some seeds. - done deal. If you are down let's pick a strain we both agree with.

"Not to say there aren't some major douchers running dispensaries out there, because there certainly are. I support the ones I like and watch the rest of them fail."

I belong to a club you describe, medicine at this club is $10-$15 gram $240oz for quality bud, people refuse to pay anymore that that in this area. I know the cost of producing and how labor intensive it is, but as you describe Shwag there are some major douchers out there who are trashing the movement in the name of a buck. At some point I see the state stepping in to control price and treat it as a commodity as it should be.

TDM said:

At some point I see the state stepping in to control price and treat it as a commodity as it should be.

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that would be the end of home growers and that would make the current law obsolete and void. Once you have opened Pandora's box you wont be able to shut it again. They gave us this law currently aznd it would be impossible to take it away,

Yup. I really do not like it when they charge those prices to the very ill. I take that shit serious. Prices prices if they cared about helping they would grow their marijuana cheaper. Here is a dumb excuse "it cost alot to grow".

Well if the way you are growing it sucks - then quit following the herd. I need nothing that many speak of to grow AAA meds.

they just lowered the prices here in baldwin. it was up to 22 bucks a g but now its up to 17 i bought some jack herer and tumbleweed @ 15 a g. the way they charge is u set the price. they have 15 lockers and it cost 50 a month to rent 1. he sells it.

rzza said:

I would post in my journal but nobody is interested there....

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So pretty rzza... Can't wait to see it dried.

Commercial operations would wipe out the small grower. The city of Oakland, Ca awarded this guy a contract to purchase three run down factories for commercial production. City tax was $600,000 year for all three buildings, in return he said in full production he would produce 55 lbs of quality bud per day, per factory at $32.00oz cost. Add $50oz CA tax= $82.00 wholesale.

One reason for the defeat of Prop19 last year was the small growers who supply dispensarys were not behind the bill, they would have been wiped out.
But people, all personal growing rights aside, Im afraid commercial operations will be part of our future at some point, so will state dispensarys.

yea, i agree with that tdm. things r gonna change. and never for the best

any time the government gets involved it is sure to be screwed up

mary thanks, qwubble is qwerkle/sour bubble. the qwerkle is from tga.

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Damn rzza, when you gonna start your own seed company man... Those buds put many so called "proffesional genetics" to shame... well done my friend....

One reason for the defeat of Prop19 last year was the small growers who supply dispensarys were not behind the bill, they would have been wiped out.
But people, all personal growing rights aside, Im afraid commercial operations will be part of our future at some point, so will state dispensarys.

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TDM,
You hit that nail right on the head.. In 10 years marijuana will be just like the tobacco industry is today.. Big companys will produce the majority of it, and they will put all their cancer causing chemicals into it.. The problem is the little guys like all of us dont stand a chance.. We dont have the money to compete with these big companies.. After they wipe all the growers like us out, they will jack there prices through the roof.. Look at tobacco, farmers get paid $4 per lb to grow it.. But we pay over $5 for less then an oz in the stores.. I realize there is tax and other cost involved, but the tobacco companies are more the trippling there money on every pack we buy.. Same with gas, it's over $4 a gallon.. The oil companies pay about $100 for 55 gal of crude oil.. thats less then 50 cent a gallon.. After they refine it and ship it, they have about $1.25 per gallon in it.. How the fuck is it legal for them to almost tripple their money off every gallon they sell, when they sell millions of gallons per day.? Free enterprise is flawed, the people with money control the markets, and keep the poor people down. So they dont have to worry about competion.. People can dog Obama all they want, but he is right.. Shit has got to change or our country is gonna crumble.. Im not saying the government should run private enterprise, but profit margines for private companies should be implemented, no one company needs to make $40 billion a year.. Ceo's of the big companies make more in bonus checks every year, then most of us will make in a lifetime of working...

Mary I Wanna said:

Damn rzza, when you gonna start your own seed company man... Those buds put many so called "proffesional genetics" to shame... well done my friend....



TDM,
You hit that nail right on the head.. In 10 years marijuana will be just like the tobacco industry is today.. Big companys will produce the majority of it, and they will put all their cancer causing chemicals into it.. The problem is the little guys like all of us dont stand a chance.. We dont have the money to compete with these big companies.. After they wipe all the growers like us out, they will jack there prices through the roof.. Look at tobacco, farmers get paid $4 per lb to grow it.. But we pay over $5 for less then an oz in the stores.. I realize there is tax and other cost involved, but the tobacco companies are more the trippling there money on every pack we buy.. Same with gas, it's over $4 a gallon.. The oil companies pay about $100 for 55 gal of crude oil.. thats less then 50 cent a gallon.. After they refine it and ship it, they have about $1.25 per gallon in it.. How the fuck is it legal for them to almost tripple their money off every gallon they sell, when they sell millions of gallons per day.? Free enterprise is flawed, the people with money control the markets, and keep the poor people down. So they dont have to worry about competion.. People can dog Obama all they want, but he is right.. Shit has got to change or our country is gonna crumble.. Im not saying the government should run private enterprise, but profit margines for private companies should be implemented, no one company needs to make $40 billion a year.. Ceo's of the big companies make more in bonus checks every year, then most of us will make in a lifetime of working...

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I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE GAS CRISIS TODAY..... and how them assholes could give it to us for cheaper, but they wont, cuz they are money hungry bitches and they know everyone is thirsty for dem fossil fuels

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I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THE GAS CRISIS TODAY..... and how them assholes could give it to us for cheaper, but they wont, cuz they are money hungry bitches and they know everyone is thirsty for dem fossil fuels

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Just noticed my math is wrong.... I musta been really fuckin high, It's not even close... 55 gal for $100 would be like $1.80 per gallon of crude... Factor in the refining and shipping cost, they have about 2.15 per gallon in making gas.. So they're still doubling there money on every gallon sold.... They make more money in one day, then all of us combined will make in a life time... GREEDY BASTARDS

Mary I Wanna said:

TDM,
You hit that nail right on the head.. In 10 years marijuana will be just like the tobacco industry is today.. Big will produce the majority of it, and they will put all their cancer causing chemicals into it.. The problem is the little guys like all of us dont stand a chance.. We dont have the money to compete with these big companies.. After they wipe all the growers like us out, they will jack there prices through the roof.. Look at tobacco, farmers get paid $4 per lb to grow it.. But we pay over $5 for less then an oz in the stores.. I realize there is tax and other cost involved, but the tobacco companies are more the trippling there money on every pack we buy.. Same with gas, it's over $4 a gallon.. The oil companies pay about $100 for 55 gal of crude oil.. thats less then 50 cent a gallon.. After they refine it and ship it, they have about $1.25 per gallon in it.. How the fuck is it legal for them to almost tripple their money off every gallon they sell, when they sell millions of gallons per day.? Free enterprise is flawed, the people with money control the markets, and keep the poor people down. So they dont have to worry about competion.. People can dog Obama all they want, but he is right.. Shit has got to change or our country is gonna crumble.. Im not saying the government should run private enterprise, but profit margines for private companies should be implemented, no one company needs to make $40 billion a year.. Ceo's of the big companies make more in bonus checks every year, then most of us will make in a lifetime of working...

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I agree with the greed statement and I'm not trying to dis you bro. Its called free enterprise bro and if your with the bama on getting rid of this system thats a fucked up way of thinking. There is no quicker way to get to ganja in the hands of big pharm than what you are describing. We need to keep the system free not controlled by the government. Give me an example of one good government program...

Obama is the worst president this country has ever seen he is after all you have he wants this country to be like the rest of the word. Me I'm looking at the big picture not just what I'm told. If Mr Obama get reelected you think shit is getting expensive now hold on tight brothers and sisters, Peace.

I agree with the greed statement and I'm not trying to dis you bro. Its called free enterprise bro and if your with the bama on getting rid of this system thats a fucked up way of thinking. There is no quicker way to get to ganja in the hands of big pharm than what you are describing. We need to keep the system free not controlled by the government. Give me an example of one good government program...

Obama is the worst president this country has ever seen he is after all you have he wants this country to be like the rest of the word. Me I'm looking at the big picture not just what I'm told. If Mr Obama get reelected you think shit is getting expensive now hold on tight brothers and sisters, Peace.

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I think you misunder stood me, I don't what the government to run shit, but I do think the government should step in and stop these greedy bastards from busting every bodys head.. Why in gods good name, should a CEO who already makes $50 million a year, be entilted to an $8 million bonus every year.. If companies can afford to pay people that kind of money every year, don't you think they're taking advantage of their consumers.? $40 billion profit in one year, $40 damn billion in 12 fuckin months.. That's ass raping people, people who work there ass off so they can afford to buy the products that pays the CEO's salary.. Especialy when these companies are sending jobs overseas, and to mexico to make the products cheaper.. They are taking away american jobs to make products cheaper, so they can put more profits in their pockets.. What the fuck man, you think thats ok.. Obama is calling these bastards out on what they are doing, and thats why people dont like him.. He wants to take the money out of their pockets and put it in yours and mine, were it should be.. He told the DEA to stop raiding clinics, and spoke down on them when they continued to do so.. Im not saying Obama is the greatest president of all times, but he is far from the worst.. You think things are bad now, If McCain would have been elected shit would be 20x worse... As long as elections are being won because of Tv commercials and billboards, that are paid for by the companies busting are heads. We the people will continue to be the bitches of the CEO's, who are spending our money on McMansions and German sports cars. When we struggle to buy a descent home and a Chevy..

hic said:

I am a patient/ caregiver what do you want? lol. You know troy if you wanted some clones for an outdoor grow you should have told me a month ago.

I have what you seek though not in numbers, they will come to you for free just because you use this thread. I would plant these away from the other 50.

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Yeah i know I thought I was prepared until cops took my seeds
Oh well.. I have 40 unsexed plants going out this week. im looking for about 25-35 clones for the price.

troy- I don't have that many to get rid of. Do you know how to clone? I can give you a plant you can cut like 20 off of.

I here ya boys on the state run shit. I am sure it is just a matter of time. Currently my idea is "hit it hard while ya can". Get your med cards overgrow your locked facility and at the same time overgrow the woods. We all know this will not last forever.

I for one do not give a fuk. 80% of the reason I grow is because I want to. I do not do it for the money, I do not do it for bragging rights, I do not grow it to make friends. I grow it because that is what I was led to and I find it stimulating and therapudic and I enjoy it.

From what I have seen anyways the people have had their way with this law, and as always when you give a man something beautifull it is sure to become ugly soon enough. I am saying that I hope the state does take over... maybe then the sick and hurting will be able to get a good bag of dope for 100 an ounce someday.

Most of what I am hearing is lies. They do not care about the people. They care stiill about there bank accounts as if they are going to be able to buy their way into heaven. I am not saying all are like this. I am saying the majority of caregivers and CC are lazy pricks that remind me of ravens.

I will have a safe place for the sick soon enough.. and I do not give a shit if I lose money in my adventure. I never really needed it anyways.

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I think you misunder stood me, I don't what the government to run shit, but I do think the government should step in and stop these greedy bastards from busting every bodys head..

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I understood what you said here it is again in the quote.. I totally agree the greed has to stop but one cannot ask the government to step in fix this then back off..Ever seen them give up power? It don't work that way once they have its gone for you and me. Mr Obama is and will go down in history as the worst president in modern times and I am not kidding one bit! Now look I agree with a lot of what you say but you cannot have it both ways I have run my own business for over 25 years I have never in those years seen one single person try to destroy what small business in america is,has been all about since this country started than Mr Obama.Thats who is keeping us all goin for now small business people. Look at it like this: If you are a small business say ya got 4 employees they make ruffly 40,000 a year add it up that 160,000 you the owner make 60,000 it all adds up to 220,000 who dose Mr Obama want to raise taxes on? You guessed it! Now how long do you think a person can sustain said business for the long haul? These are business's the backbone of the american economy if you tax the shit outta them they will close there door in a heart beat. People that build a business are not stupid they see the writing on the wall. Are they getting rich? Not by a long shot greedy fucking rich basters ...LMFAO!!!!! They are all out to get you is a fucking joke and a bad one at that. We are all just trying to make a living just like you.


Do I respect what he did for himself yes I do but sadly that where it ends. He is arrogant outta touch with where he came from he don't give a rats ass if you are doing good. Just like the rest of the powers that be they all have an agenda get elected do some favors so they will live the rest of there lives reaping the rewards of those favors. A prime example of this is Obamas buddy Grandholem....Who is she workin for now?


I'm going back to talkin bout growing this shit just gets my underwear in a bunch I don't like it when my sack feels all bunched up...LOL

it wont last forever because people cant abide by the law.

has any politician not had an agenda? i doubt it. they most generally come from rich families anyway. why should they give a shit about any of us. i am a disabled vet and on ssi. the money i have to live on is poverty. ive had to work under the table doing lawn work to survive, i cant do it anymore, i have to quit this fall. the pain isnt worth the money anymore. do they care fuck no. but they would on the taxes i didnt pay to fatten their pockets. now what do i do to help myself have a better life since everything i enjoy has been taken. i ride my bike when i can but that 2 is going to be gone soon. weve had crooked politicians as long as i can remember.

We will outgrow your financial worries together. I owe you for fighting for the country yet. If hter is anything I can do to help boost your profits let me know.

Hell I would not work a job if they said I had too. BUNK