Justin-case
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What's the point? You already have it all figured out.
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Fogdog
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Bernie said nearly exactly what I quoted him as saying. You are being shagged.
St0 said better what you mumbled about so I'll respond to him.
Regarding Sanders saying white people are tired of political correctness.
It is a crafty political move by Sanders to give relief to those "tired people" and I don't think it was disingenuous. The Sanders /Trump voter said they were unaware of the effect of prejudice on the lives of black people. Also about 3/4 of white people that don't have college education said the same thing. It is a huge pool of voters that are turned off by social pressures to reform their speech and behavior. Bernie is campaigning for those votes. He's selling out to systemic racism in the process.
Sanders has a written set of policies that look good but will he push ones that are important to me? That's why I'm listening to what he says instead of a policy page that exists on every politicians web site.
Bernie is all the goodies. Free college education, free health care, living minimum wage, campaign finance reform, equal rights for everybody and so forth, all paid for by soaking the rich. That's what he said last year when he had no chance of winning and that's what his policy page says.
What he's now saying is quite different. If a presidential election were scheduled tomorrow, he would have front runner status in the Democratic Party. And so, he has to play a different game where he leaves room to maneuver in the general election as well as if he's elected. The only policy I've heard him remain consistent on is campaign finance reform. By his own words, all those economic goodies are questionable if not doubtful that he can be counted on to deliver. He's selling out to systemic racism and sexism to get votes.
So understanding the effect of daily insult to 3/4 of this society and telling you and yours that this shit must stop makes me a ball washer? Not to mention the more malignant effects like the issues that Black Lives Matters addresses. These issues are important to me and I'm going to talk about them.
I haven't even discussed the greater effects of racism that Black Lives Matters addresses, not to mention treatment of women in the workplace, which Bernie never talks about. "People are tired of talking about this" translates as "I want your vote and won't make you uncomfortable over this issue". Bernie doesn't talk about BLM either.
Padawanbater2
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The argument from the other side is that the things Sanders has proposed won't work to defeat racism
So, what do you believe will work?
We've spent an awful lot of time discussing why you guys think these ideas are terrible, but have yet to propose any of your own aside from talking about it.. People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. Let's put your ideas up against our ideas, use historical and objective data and see which ideas are better.
You don't do it, and you won't now, because you have no actual ideas and you fear any criticism of them because you know they wouldn't last a second in the politics section
abandonconflict
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Punching racists in the face when they utter offensive racial views. Actually standing up to fascists in the street when they hold rallies despite that the police are protecting them. Not being a racist fuckbag who goes around saying shit like what you and your buddies say such as my sig.
Those are my policies.
Fogdog
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Is Bernie running? Who is he running against?
I support many policy positions. The one that Bernie is reliable on, campaign finance reform, I support.
Padawanbater2
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You said you support Sanders, yet describe him as one of the worst Democrats on racial issues in congress
If I felt Sanders policies were as racist as you claim, I wouldn't support him, because supporting a politician who proposes racist policy positions makes you racist by association, or at the very least shows you hold racist sympathies
So the question then becomes, are you racist/do you hold racist sympathies, or, are you being intellectually dishonest about your analysis in regards to Sanders as a politician
Justin-case
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Youre right, so smart, and the best. It's not a wonder your parents are proud and expect so much of you.
Fogdog
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I can't support that man because he isn't running for office right now.
I can support some of his positions.
You are racist and sexist as all hell and in no position to even discuss the issue.
Padawanbater2
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See. Very predictable
Got news for you, you won't be able to talk the problem of racism in America away. Solving actual problems takes actual thought, consideration, analysis, you know, details. Hillary Clinton's campaign showed exactly what happens when you have no substance and lack details
Sanders is a sitting US Senator, do you support him as a US Senator?
I can support some of Rand Paul's positions, too, like his opposition to NSA spying, but I wouldn't say I support Rand Paul as a US Senator. You can say you support some of Sanders positions, but do you support him as a US Senator?
The evidence proves otherwise. Watch, let me demonstrate;
An African American woman I support, Nina Turner
An African American woman I don't support, Joy Reid
Tell me, what does your "EVERYTHING IS RACIST!!!" brain make of this one? If I were racist, or sexist, why would I support Nina Turner? How would criticizing Joy Reid's political opinions be racist, or sexist?
How about John Conyers over Ben Carson?
This is an example of the kind of pc positions many people have become averse to. Calling someone a racist/sexist/etc. for criticizing someone's political opinion denigrates legitimate claims of actual racism that take place in America every day. It cheapens the value of the word and causes division among people, as it's done with the progressive wing of the Democratic party and the establishment wing. This is real, and no amount of talking will make it go away. You can't beat it with violence or stifling free speech.
abandonconflict
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Well that's more BS as evidenced by your belief that more is expected of you because you're a white guy. Then there's the time you said racial inequality was just a coincidence.
Speaking of BS, he didn't say there were "racist policies". See this is why you get TL;DR'd. You are terrible, just horrible at debating logically. I thought at first you were doing on purpose as a tactic, but you're not, you really can't read. You really don't understand shit so you distort it in your mind to something you can understand. Even Robroy knows when he is doing that. I am disappoint.
Padawanbater2
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Fogdog
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Sanders is the Senator of Vermont. I don't vote for him. I can't give him my support (legally).See. Very predictable
Got news for you, you won't be able to talk the problem of racism in America away. Solving actual problems takes actual thought, consideration, analysis, you know, details. Hillary Clinton's campaign showed exactly what happens when you have no substance and lack details
Sanders is a sitting US Senator, do you support him as a US Senator?
I can support some of Rand Paul's positions, too, like his opposition to NSA spying, but I wouldn't say I support Rand Paul as a US Senator. You can say you support some of Sanders positions, but do you support him as a US Senator?
The evidence proves otherwise. Watch, let me demonstrate;
An African American woman I support, Nina Turner
An African American woman I don't support, Joy Reid
Tell me, what does your "EVERYTHING IS RACIST!!!" brain make of this one? If I were racist, or sexist, why would I support Nina Turner? How would criticizing Joy Reid's political opinions be racist, or sexist?
How about John Conyers over Ben Carson?
This is an example of the kind of pc positions many people have become averse to. Calling someone a racist/sexist/etc. for criticizing someone's political opinion denigrates legitimate claims of actual racism that take place in America every day. It cheapens the value of the word and causes division among people, as it's done with the progressive wing of the Democratic party and the establishment wing. This is real, and no amount of talking will make it go away. You can't beat it with violence or stifling free speech.
Ron Wyden and Craig Merkely are Senators of Oregon. I voted and support them.
Do you understand? You can, I guess support financially. Otherwise, I don't support Bernie because he isn't my Senator. I support his issues. They are the same ones my Senators who I support through my vote and campaign donations.
If he runs in 2020, I'll decide after looking at other candidates if I support him.
It's possible to support him through the "Our Revolution" reform PAC or whatever that is.
I'm glad you have a black friend.
Fogdog
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No, you are average. Your blind worship of Bernie Sanders is dumb, I'll agree with that.
Padawanbater2
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What law am I currently breaking when I say I support Elizabeth Warren?
Why does a Senator have to be from your state for you to support them?
What issues of Sanders, aside from campaign finance reform, do you support?
Fogdog
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Clinton wasn't a very good candidate. We agree on that. She received about 75% of the African American vote. Tell me again how great Sanders was on policies that affect African Americans. A vote during an election is the only poll result that matters. Bernie sucked when it came to African American votes.
Sanders is selling out to systemic racism. I know it hurts to hear this but systemic racism is embedded in entire US socioeconomic system. Including every US President ever. I, along with about 300 million other people including women, black and latino are guilty of voting for systemic racists. Duh
Sanders is selling out to systemic racism. His speeches today reflect a movement to the right. His statements regarding "people too tired about pc" are new and one of the reasons why I say Bernie Sanders is selling out to systemic racism to get more white peoples votes.
I can't say if I'll support him in 2020 until I see who he's running against.
Fogdog
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If I voted for Sanders it would be illegal.
I can't vote for Sanders so I don't support HIM.
Most of his policies, I like. On most, I expect him to punt.
Fogdog
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Is that you being tired of political correctness and want to kick sjw to the curb?
Fogdog
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I used to think he was taking what was said to the extreme to get a reaction. But yeah, I agree, his ability to understand complexity is retarded. Everything is set at extreme.
SoOLED
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This ubiquitous "officer safety" above all axiom has destroyed civil service. This precedence has abridged "peace officer" in to militarized police. a law enforcement officer on the street has more power then any judge. twisting probable cause, with no supervision and only internal regulation to observe themselves. its sounds like bad science fiction. buts its real. Police throw obstruction of justice, resisting arrest and assault on a police officer in just about any instance they are challenged. the power is so skewed that anything other then complete oppression and compliance is required in any encounter with an officer.