Ministers Goodale and Philpott to make an important announcement

VIANARCHRIS said:
Do we? I think the focus is actually on fentynal and the chemicals to produce and those packages are coming from China . A few cannabis seeds may be innocent victims, but who orders seeds from China? I don't think the seed market is going anywhere.
Who uses Canada Post for anything anymore, anyway? Buy local!
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Will they filter through only mail from China? I highly doubt it. Mail is likely the most used method to ship & receive seeds as it's the cheapest and can even be done anonymously by the sender (fake return). It's how I and many others exchange seeds 90% of the time. While there are some seeds available locally not everyone can go somewhere local and buy seeds, closest one to me would be in the city 2 hours away and have shit for variety compared to buying online.
 
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And this (from http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do...d=1168519&_ga=1.20003377.807685784.1475869401) :

To help keep deadly drugs like illicit fentanyl out of Canadian communities, the legislation also proposes to prohibit the unregistered import of pill presses, and remove the exception currently placed on border officers to only open mail weighing more than 30 grams, so that officers could open international mail of any weight, should they have reasonable grounds to suspect the item may contain prohibited, controlled or regulated goods. Other proposed amendments would make it a crime to possess or transport anything intended to be used to produce controlled substances, allow for temporary scheduling of new psychoactive substances, and support faster and safer disposal of seized chemicals and other dangerous substances.

Unless I'm very mistaken it seems like this would open the door to criminalizing even possessing seeds.
 
JungleStrikeGuy said:
Exactly. If the legislation follows the presser, the CBSA can now open any package on 'reasonable suspicion'. Previously if under 30 grams they needed the permission of the recipient. Nothing specific to China.
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Yeah people need to read between the lines, if they really carded about people dying from drugs, then they would also care about the gun violence in Toronto, they would target the gangs that are shooting up half the city. But no they do not target them, because they really do not give a fuck about public safety. This is all about control, of opiates and cannabis.
 
JungleStrikeGuy said:
And this:

To help keep deadly drugs like illicit fentanyl out of Canadian communities, the legislation also proposes to prohibit the unregistered import of pill presses, and remove the exception currently placed on border officers to only open mail weighing more than 30 grams, so that officers could open international mail of any weight, should they have reasonable grounds to suspect the item may contain prohibited, controlled or regulated goods. Other proposed amendments would make it a crime to possess or transport anything intended to be used to produce controlled substances, allow for temporary scheduling of new psychoactive substances, and support faster and safer disposal of seized chemicals and other dangerous substances.

Unless I'm very mistaken it seems like this would open the door to criminalizing even possessing seeds.
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The only loop hole will be if you are medical, other then that if you get caught ordering seeds now, they will fuck you, bet your sweet ass on it.
 
JungleStrikeGuy said:
And this (from http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do...d=1168519&_ga=1.20003377.807685784.1475869401) :

To help keep deadly drugs like illicit fentanyl out of Canadian communities, the legislation also proposes to prohibit the unregistered import of pill presses, and remove the exception currently placed on border officers to only open mail weighing more than 30 grams, so that officers could open international mail of any weight, should they have reasonable grounds to suspect the item may contain prohibited, controlled or regulated goods. Other proposed amendments would make it a crime to possess or transport anything intended to be used to produce controlled substances, allow for temporary scheduling of new psychoactive substances, and support faster and safer disposal of seized chemicals and other dangerous substances.

Unless I'm very mistaken it seems like this would open the door to criminalizing even possessing seeds.
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That opens it up for a huge array of things including already mentioned seed imports.
 
OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:
do you know how much extra work and time this is gonna take..?

it sounds tough but it sounds difficult to pull off..i mean how many under 30g letters go through every second..?

this is not enforcable

and i don't mean 28 g letters..i mean..barely more than a couple of grams ones..
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The potential for a criminal penalty is the real issue.

Now : Worst case scenario is CBSA thinks you bought seeds, they ask to open your letter, you say no and it's destroyed.

Depending on what's in C-37, after it's passed, you could face jail for the same situation. Yes, it's unlikely , but still possible, which will probably act as a deterrent.
 
JungleStrikeGuy said:
The potential for a criminal penalty is the real issue.

Now : Worst case scenario is CBSA thinks you bought seeds, they ask to open your letter, you say no and it's destroyed.

Depending on what's in C-37, after it's passed, you could face jail for the same situation. Yes, it's unlikely , but still possible, which will probably act as a deterrent.
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So if I think my neighbour is a real dink and I want to see him arrested I could order a few packs of seeds from cannabisrus and put his name and address and whamo slammer for him? I doubt it.
Unless they plan to install cameras on every mailbox to take pics of every sender this could never possibly work.
Even a flintstone lawyer could argue this one, seems like they haven't thought this one through.
 
torontoke said:
So if I think my neighbour is a real dink and I want to see him arrested I could order a few packs of seeds from cannabisrus and put his name and address and whamo slammer for him? I doubt it.
Unless they plan to install cameras on every mailbox to take pics of every sender this could never possibly work.
Even a flintstone lawyer could argue this one, seems like they haven't thought this one through.
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Good point.
 
torontoke said:
So if I think my neighbour is a real dink and I want to see him arrested I could order a few packs of seeds from cannabisrus and put his name and address and whamo slammer for him?
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No, because it matters whose information was recorded for the payment, and who provides the information that is put on the customs forms. Legal action (again depending on what is actually contained in C-27) will be taken when the package is intercepted by CBSA, and it will never get to your mailbox, so there's no need for cameras anywhere. It's all dependent on the information gathered for payment, and the information given to customs.

It remains to be seen what will actually be implemented, and how it will be implemented, but you are moving from a situation where it was illegal for the government to open an imported package under 30 gr where they can now do it with relative impunity. It's quite possible nothing will change as far as the seed business, and it's also quite possible packages from known illegal seed exporters will be scrutinzed as 'probable cause'.
 
Most online seed banks take cash, money order or even those cheap no name pre paid credit cards.
The cameras on mailboxes was a way to catch the only person that they could argue knew contraband was in the package.
Charges on the receiving end would be near impossible since you could always claim you didn't order anything. Deniability in this case would be easy.
Where it would get even more greasy is let's say u order seeds from cannabisrus of a strain that is currently on the grow list of your friendly lp. If tweed or whoever is growing shwagadelic #7 and I order those same dna shwag 7's

I'm not being argumentative or breaking ur balls dude just thinking it loud
 
It just gives them an open ended reason to check suspected packages. If you go by history they'll push the limits on the meaning of "reasonable grounds" if they want to or have an agenda. That'll include things like seeds that may not have scrutinized as much before or checked as often. When the government announces a program, there's an agenda/plan. More technology, staff, or both, our seeds will just get caught up in it, whether they have that agenda or not :(
 
torontoke said:
Most online seed banks take cash, money order or even those cheap no name pre paid credit cards.
The cameras on mailboxes was a way to catch the only person that they could argue knew contraband was in the package.
Charges on the receiving end would be near impossible since you could always claim you didn't order anything. Deniability in this case would be easy.
Where it would get even more greasy is let's say u order seeds from cannabisrus of a strain that is currently on the grow list of your friendly lp. If tweed or whoever is growing shwagadelic #7 and I order those same dna shwag 7's

I'm not being argumentative or breaking ur balls dude just thinking it loud
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I'd be surprised if any were successfully prosecuted before legalization is tabled (this may all be moot depending on how cannabis is 'legalized'), but at the very least it's going to introduce new consequences. You can deny everything, and you still might be subject to 'heightened scrutiny'.

As for LP orders, I think they already have import/export licenses so they would just be exempt from these laws. But it all may be moot if cannabis is truly descheduled, then it's no longer a controlled substance but dealt with by laws outside of the CDSA. Then it's part of the LPC's legislation, and it remains to be soon how they're going to handle non-LP's growing (but we find out soon!)
 
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