Mist + Fog...si or no?

nuskool89

nuskool89

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I'm interested in building a unit with space for 6 big plants under 2
120watt LED units. *found them on ebay and they seem a better deal than the ufo systems

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=400036720785&Category=42225&_trksid=p3907.m29&_trkparms=algo=LVI&its=I&otn=2

Anyways.....with that I was planning on using this nutrimist sytem http://www.futuregarden.com/cgi-bin/shop/50-3310.html

combined with a mister unit on each plant site.
At first I was thinking all fog but then after reading a few posts it seems most ppl on here don't think it will suffice for large plants.
Being a complete newb, (I've grown 1 Himalaya Gold out of a GH ecogrower using GH nutes and a 400hps bulb) I'm completley open to any help from the growers on rollitup.

In saying that, I'd like some help on locating high quality misters for this application, the correct pump for them, how and where to mount them for optimum performance, how often I should have them on, and lastly I'd like to know whether or not this is a great idea for some badass plants or if another route is a better option.

My first crop treated me very well and now I have some money to really get started so I would appreciate any help or any advise on the subjects above or anything else related to growing in general.

Thanks alot

-nuskool
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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On a side note, I'm about to order the iguana grow and bloom from advanced nutrients. Is there any other nute I should pick up or will this be complete?
 
AeroKing

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Running misters alongside fog can be counterproductive, if you don't do it properly. It seems that unfortunately fog can't provide enough h2o for thirsty mj plants. However, if you run the misters all the time, your roots will become matted and they won't grow the fine hairs that can make use of the nebulized solution. Have you considered a timing for the misters?
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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AeroKing said:
Running misters alongside fog can be counterproductive, if you don't do it properly. It seems that unfortunately fog can't provide enough h2o for thirsty mj plants. However, if you run the misters all the time, your roots will become matted and they won't grow the fine hairs that can make use of the nebulized solution. Have you considered a timing for the misters?
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yes I was actually planning on doing cycles of 12 minutes 4 times a day. would that suffice? what would be a good schedual for them?

also I've read using organic ferts isn't a good idea with foggers so I guess I'll scratch the iguana juice idea. Suggestions for a complete fertilizer system?

-nuskool
 
AeroKing

AeroKing

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You'll find that if you adopt a ground-breaking technology, there is nobody around to hold your hand. You'll have to be the guinea pig. I think that would be a good starting point for the sprayer timing. Definitely keep us informed!
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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AeroKing said:
You'll find that if you adopt a ground-breaking technology, there is nobody around to hold your hand. You'll have to be the guinea pig. I think that would be a good starting point for the sprayer timing. Definitely keep us informed!
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I understand and admit the task seems daunting alone but I am going to give it a shot. I've studied for the past two weeks all the information I could find and I feel comfortable giving this a full scale go. once i begin i will keep an online journel and include anyone who wants to help.

But I still need help finding misters and a pump that will hold up to nutrients. cost is not an issue.


-nuskool
 
AeroKing

AeroKing

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What you want is a mag drive pump. Sizing is complicated. There are friends on this site that can help you determine what you need, once you get the details of your sprayers sorted out... I've heard the EZ-Clone sprayers are top notch. I haven't tried them.
 
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AeroKing said:
What you want is a mag drive pump. Sizing is complicated. There are friends on this site that can help you determine what you need, once you get the details of your sprayers sorted out... I've heard the EZ-Clone sprayers are top notch. I haven't tried them.
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That's not really aero.... it's actually more like NFT.

For an aero setup you'd need a low flow, high pressure diaphragm pump in the neighborhood of 75 p.s.i. ($150?) You'd also need low flow fogger nozzles. The higher quality nozzles get expensive too; up to about $10 for the good ones and a couple for the entry level uhns. I think the barbed nozzles perform better over the threaded... just something I've read. There are low-pressure nozzles, but you still need a serious pump to hit 20 p.s.i.

Those Nutramist fogger are always paired with some kind of secondary delivery method in retail setups (redundancy). I'd rather see you go with pure E & F, DWC, NFT, or drip.
 
AeroKing

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UserFriendly said:
That's not really aero.... it's actually more like NFT.

For an aero setup you'd need a low flow, high pressure diaphragm pump in the neighborhood of 75 p.s.i. ($150?) You'd also need low flow fogger nozzles. The higher quality nozzles get expensive too; up to about $10 for the good ones and a couple for the entry level uhns. I think the barbed nozzles perform better over the threaded... just something I've read. There are low-pressure nozzles, but you still need a serious pump to hit 20 p.s.i.

Those Nutramist fogger are always paired with some kind of secondary delivery method in retail setups (redundancy). I'd rather see you go with pure E & F, DWC, NFT, or drip.
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Well, most define aeroponics as growing a rooted plant with no mechanical media.
Other's will break it down to a maximum micron size for the mist.
And still yet, the most common method of aeroponic branded growing simply involves low pressure mag drive pumps creating a micro spray in the rhizosphere.

Every commercial aeroponic system I've used or researched uses a low pressure technique. Every journal I've ever read that has succeeded uses this technique. Every journal I've read that used high-pressure sprayers aborted before harvest or converted to the above mentioned.
I've questioned several well known aero growers(including Earl) and they've all made the same statement: "If you try it that way you will likely fail".

Nutramist doesn't even call it aeroponic, they call it "hydroponic fogging" and their systems are fog/drip hybrids.

Mag Drive, low pressure Aero/NFT hybrid systems are probably the most popular aero systems in the world, both DIY and storebought.

I'll guarantee that once dialed in, an aero/nft hybrid will greatly outperform any flood table, nft, dwc or drip.

I think that the whole idea of fog is awesome! It's obvious that it's not enough to support the plant, but considering the pioneers (nutramist) chose drip as the back-up, it's really making me think about the problem with the sprayers.
The benefit of fog is that it induces the plant to create very fine hairs. These hairs are far more effecient at absorbing elements than regular air-roots or water roots.
I think that the problem here is that they are so fine and fragile that any spray would simply destroy them. I believe that's why nutramist chose drip. It runs down the water(tap) roots and supplies them with necessary water, then as they fall onto the bottom of the rhizosphere, it becomes a nutrient film ensuring that even mature plants get plenty of water. In the mean time, the fog is feeding o2 and nutes to the root hairs very effectively, causing explosive growth.

I dunno, Nuskool, what do you think?
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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AeroKing said:
Well, most define aeroponics as growing a rooted plant with no mechanical media.
Other's will break it down to a maximum micron size for the mist.
And still yet, the most common method of aeroponic branded growing simply involves low pressure mag drive pumps creating a micro spray in the rhizosphere.

Every commercial aeroponic system I've used or researched uses a low pressure technique. Every journal I've ever read that has succeeded uses this technique. Every journal I've read that used high-pressure sprayers aborted before harvest or converted to the above mentioned.
I've questioned several well known aero growers(including Earl) and they've all made the same statement: "If you try it that way you will likely fail".

Nutramist doesn't even call it aeroponic, they call it "hydroponic fogging" and their systems are fog/drip hybrids.

Mag Drive, low pressure Aero/NFT hybrid systems are probably the most popular aero systems in the world, both DIY and storebought.

I'll guarantee that once dialed in, an aero/nft hybrid will greatly outperform any flood table, nft, dwc or drip.

I think that the whole idea of fog is awesome! It's obvious that it's not enough to support the plant, but considering the pioneers (nutramist) chose drip as the back-up, it's really making me think about the problem with the sprayers.
The benefit of fog is that it induces the plant to create very fine hairs. These hairs are far more effecient at absorbing elements than regular air-roots or water roots.
I think that the problem here is that they are so fine and fragile that any spray would simply destroy them. I believe that's why nutramist chose drip. It runs down the water(tap) roots and supplies them with necessary water, then as they fall onto the bottom of the rhizosphere, it becomes a nutrient film ensuring that even mature plants get plenty of water. In the mean time, the fog is feeding o2 and nutes to the root hairs very effectively, causing explosive growth.

I dunno, Nuskool, what do you think?
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I think youre on to somthing. With regards to the pressure of the misters i was opting for a pressure no higher than 45psi but considering how cheap adding a drip combo with the fog I might try two seperate projects 1 with a mist/fog combo 1 with fog/drip.

thanks for the help I'll keep you posted
 
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Atomizer

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Growing plants without media and with the roots suspended in a nutrient mist.
The growers that use high pressure aero enjoy the technical side as much as the growing but low pressure aero is definitely cheaper, easier to build and less likely to pack up at 3am :wink:
 
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