MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

oddish · Jul 25, 2014

I'm not going to get into "I heard this" and whatnot, but Tilray and Tweed both bought from the same people that many other street dealers and CC's get supplied from.

They don't know how to transport, package, cut, sell, etc - this is true.

Princess of Pot · Jul 25, 2014

It wasnt a rumour - I got this letter today:

Thank you for your continued interest in becoming a licensed producer under the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations (MMPR).

This letter is to inform you that applicants under the MMPR must now meet, at a minimum, a level 7 under the Physical Security Directive for their security requirements.

We are contacting you today because your application currently does not meet this requirement.

In order for the processing of your application to continue, you must submit a revised physical security proposal showing how you will meet, at a minimum a level 7. Information on the requirements for a level 7 and up can be found on the Health Canada website at:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hc-ps/pubs/precurs/dealers-distrib/phys_securit_directive/index-eng.php

If you intend to submit to us a revised security proposal, please let us know by August 26, 2014.

particle · Jul 25, 2014

So, I'm not I'm not mistaken, and I apologies for not having taken my usual due diligence on the subject matter, but to be an LP you need a thicker vault door, to protect your Hell's Angel's supply, which Health Canada are the gatekeepers of?

That's pretty fucked up.

gb123 · Jul 25, 2014

Sounds like a lot but really...im sure most over think their issues.

CalyxCrusher · Jul 26, 2014

particle said:
Nonsense.

What I wouldn't have in my tent is one media group after the other, dressed up like clean room clowns, only to shove their filthy fucking noses into my flowers, let alone in the middle of the off period.

Then you have them in the trimming room with big fat bellies and bare sleeves all over the buds, while the other more subservient ones are more stringent per the regulations and common sense that privilege seems to lack. A clean room standard doesn't mean applicable to all but the privileged or some of the time.

This is what we see of them in the 20 seconds of video they elected to use as their best and it's a fucking disgrace. Anyone with just half a clue about growing can look at their operation in that span of time and pick it apart completely as amateur hour.

Despite that the argument isn't "every basement grower can" straw man. It's that "any basement grower could". The discerning difference is whether or not the tools required of them doing so are kept from them or not.

Otherwise it's not my prerogative whether or not my neighbor has a batch that goes sour, and if it weren't prohibited in the first place he could have it tested himself affordably too, which would at least quantify the risk associated with it. Prohibition doesn't work and it's apparently more testing that makes us safe so.. Now it's such a mystery that they're not even putting a face on the numbers that the LP's are failing at, and I mean rate of failed tests, and everything. Frankly, we're all owed all of that information, and it should be available in a public database in an easy to track format, because it's not a free market.

The home grower shouldn't' be held to the same standard as LP's. If the standard that the LP's are being held to is unreasonable, then they can lobby for that as they have whined about everything else. But apparently they felt it of greater urgency to get that nasty marketing thing out of the way first. They also authored their own procedures. So it's not even possible to argue that mean ol' health canada is being unfair to them, when they're not even abiding by a bare minimal level of common sense in practice.

Where they actually are in practice is on the far end of stupidity, but you're diminishing that in saying "you better not sneeze as if the situations are comparable". Even the notion that utilizing living organics would fail the imposed standard is absurd. As if the beneficial micro fauna would somehow transmigrate into the bud and turn bad. Everyone but health canada have evolved to understand that sterility and growing are oxymorons. If they in fact and in practice imposed such unreasonable tolerances on them, then they'd have a case to make them change it, like they do for pesticides in tea, where they even outright ignore it.

But the question of whether or not your typical "basement grower" could be fairly subjected to those same levels of expectation is absurd in itself. Firstly "basement" seems to take that "back yard" denigration, which is worth objecting to since it isn't' at all correlated to quality or especially a lack of it, in a perfect parallel to how LP's have yet to be associated with quality either, and are unlikely to be.

But it's interesting that they have QA criteria at odds with one another. Whole plant cannabis was a term used in the wording of the regulations previously, if I'm not mistaken. That's because it's obvious that they'd eventually attempt to chip away access through narrowing definitions and refocusing attention etc. The MMPR fails in delivering on the "whole plant cannabis" front because whole plant cannabis has to include the medicative and synergistic terpenes, for it to really even quality as medicine in the first place, which they're having to evacuate in order to meet "QA" criteria which doesn't, and shouldn't, apply to a home grower, and for whom the QA criteria would be radically different, including the medicative terpenes. It's hard to argue that what the LP's produce, evacuated of terpenes via irradiation, is anything but recreational weed.

woodsmaneh! · Jul 27, 2014

Dear Applicant,

We would like to inform you that your application has completed the screening stage and is now at the personnel security checks stage. Note that until such a time as we receive the results from your security checks, there will be no further communications with the applicant.

Information submitted to Health Canada is disclosed to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for the purpose of conducting a security check. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police is working with local police detachment to obtain all relevant information to conduct the required verifications as per stated in section 91 of the MMPR.

As per section 91 of the MMPR on receipt of a fully completed application for a security clearance, the Minister must conduct the following checks for the purpose of assessing whether an applicant poses a risk to the integrity of the control of the production and distribution of cannabis under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and its regulations, including the risk of cannabis being diverted to an illicit market or use:

(a)a criminal record check in respect of the applicant; and

(b)a check of the relevant files of law enforcement agencies, including intelligence gathered for law enforcement purposes.

The time required to conduct these security checks varies with each application and you can expect that it will take a few months. Health Canada and the RCMP will not be able to provide you with updates.

A change in key personnel must be signalled as early as possible to minimise further delays. A change of site will require that you resubmit a new application.

Once the security checks are completed, your application will proceed to the in-depth review verification to ensure compliance with good production practices, record keeping and security measures. Further clarifications will be required at that step to ensure compliance with all the provisions of the MMPR.

Note that a pre-licensing inspection can only be conducted at the proposed site only once you have obtained all the required security clearances, that you have demonstrate within your application that you will comply with all the provisions of the MMPR and that you confirm that all of the security measures described in your application are installed, functional and comply with Division 3 of the MMPR.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us via email atMMPR-RMFM@hc-sc.gc.ca.

Thanks

Licence and Permits Division
Office of Controlled Substances
Health Canada

Jackal69 · Jul 27, 2014

Don't know what all the fuss is about for you pretend LP's. Now you didn't hear it from me but your putting this on paper. Just make it sound like fucking the best security shit going....... hahaha lie to them like they lie to you..... make it seem like a massive undertaking that will produce many jobs and cost millions. then when ya get your license, build a shed with fucked up DIY wiring and a guard kitty. Better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission!!!

Now your up and running with your pot shed and start selling!!!!

nsbudca · Jul 27, 2014

Jackal69 said:
Don't know what all the fuss is about for you pretend LP's. Now you didn't hear it from me but your putting this on paper. Just make it sound like fucking the best security shit going....... hahaha lie to them like they lie to you..... make it seem like a massive undertaking that will produce many jobs and cost millions. then when ya get your license, build a shed with fucked up DIY wiring and a guard kitty. Better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission!!!

Now your up and running with your pot shed and start selling!!!!

i dont think they offer much forgiviness

bigmanc · Jul 27, 2014

Jackal69 said:
Don't know what all the fuss is about for you pretend LP's. Now you didn't hear it from me but your putting this on paper. Just make it sound like fucking the best security shit going....... hahaha lie to them like they lie to you..... make it seem like a massive undertaking that will produce many jobs and cost millions. then when ya get your license, build a shed with fucked up DIY wiring and a guard kitty. Better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission!!!

Now your up and running with your pot shed and start selling!!!!

Another one who can tell this whole regime is a joke show, good on ya jackal

oddish · Jul 27, 2014

Such a great idea! Good thing they don't do post build inspections so this is totally possible.

The only risk is that they blacklist your license and you never get to sell and you lose 18 months of planning and investment. No big deal!

PunkyDorrie · Jul 27, 2014

Jackal69 said:
Don't know what all the fuss is about for you pretend LP's. Now you didn't hear it from me but your putting this on paper. Just make it sound like fucking the best security shit going....... hahaha lie to them like they lie to you..... make it seem like a massive undertaking that will produce many jobs and cost millions. then when ya get your license, build a shed with fucked up DIY wiring and a guard kitty. Better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission!!!

Now your up and running with your pot shed and start selling!!!!

hahaha! The uninformed ignorance of this comment is historically hysterical. Sheds with kitty litter, lol.

woodsmaneh! · Jul 30, 2014

So I think HC is busy working on some answers to the ruling that will be coming out of BC soon on extracts. HC has to look at the fact that all of Canada will be allowed to do it as there will be challenge after challenge, domino effect, so looks good on this one we hope. LP's will be able to sell extracts which are far superior for patients. Hard to get real quality extraction on the street or in some provinces almost impossible to find.

Could turn into an interesting fall.

WHATFG · Jul 30, 2014

woodsmaneh! said:
So I think HC is busy working on some answers to the ruling that will be coming out of BC soon on extracts. HC has to look at the fact that all of Canada will be allowed to do it as there will be challenge after challenge, domino effect, so looks good on this one we hope. LP's will be able to sell extracts which are far superior for patients. Hard to get real quality extraction on the street or in some provinces almost impossible to find.

Could turn into an interesting fall.

Why should LP's be allowed to sell concentrates when they can't get basic growing down to a science?

rnr · Jul 30, 2014

not all of them are idiots! and the good ones will make better product, with all the right factors in place. give it time the preemo is going to show up. by then, tweed ect will be on the black list page along with others. not much whistler chat!! so how they doingÉ I lived in whistler and the growers are solid as fuck there. some of the finest ive smoked, and what will their concentrates be like....

WHATFG · Jul 30, 2014

Maybe I should have worded it differently....shouldn't LP's concentrate on producing quality product of sufficient quantity before venturing into the world of concentrates? I never once said LP's were idiots. I personally think some of them are fools. How long are patients supposed to wait for something that they can use regularly? You almost make it sound as though any day now one of these outfits is going to have enough medicine in the appropriate strains to make everyone happy. This has been going on for a long time and trying to say that LP X just got licensed.....they should know how to grow before they even send in their applications. Great....I hope your right for the sake of patients that Whistler can grow like fuck....it would be about fucking time!

gb123 · Jul 30, 2014

"LP's will be able to sell extracts which are far superior for patients."

What horses ass did you pull that out of? :lol:

They cant grow medication. How do you think they will produce good oil?
Ya... I didn't think you put much thought into that one.

cheers

ps... why would any patient let someone else make their meds and charge them 100 times what it would cost them?
Sativex rings a bell. :lol:

j0yr1d3 · Jul 31, 2014

An interesting read if you can stomach the business bullshit sprinkled in it...

http://www.midasletter.com/2014/07/wheres-canadian-medical-marijuana-licenses/

gb123 · Jul 31, 2014

So sad....

NOT!

Sorry.. .but seeing money hungry wannabes goin down and fail miserably at the hands of our Government?
That's fucking awesome. Great Job Mr Harper. You've successfully screwed both sides!!!
Maybe...that's the idea?
LP's, How's it feel to walk in patients shoes eh ??? :hump:

Ya gotta love em! HC/feds

:bigjoint:

WHATFG · Jul 31, 2014

j0yr1d3 said:
An interesting read if you can stomach the business bullshit sprinkled in it...

http://www.midasletter.com/2014/07/wheres-canadian-medical-marijuana-licenses/

That Ivan Ross Vrana guy..is he for real?....bad weed coming from the BM yet it was Ok enough for LP's to buy so they would have a little stockpile?give me a fucking break!

Does anyone at tweed understand anything about how marijuana works? The 10g avg is really high (haha) and it is more like 1.5-3g/d I would not be functioning as a human if I only had 3G/d available to me. What an idiot. He's another one spewing the mould in home grows. And now that they have raised enough capital they can focus on growing. Wow.

Tilray is American? Lovely, and other countries should model their marijuana programs after the MMPR. World dominance at $10/g.

I note that the government acknowledges home security as an expense to home growers. Those darn diversional home break ins...

Long read and listen...informative though. Thanks for the post. I'll quit bitchin' now.

bigmanc · Aug 1, 2014

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13 Weeks VS 13 Years

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