Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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SeeRockCity

Active Member
all you who voted YES to this...
YOU are DUMB.... go read something...
GMO is a killer! it belongs nowhere near our food
and nowhere near our medicine!!

again, if you voted yes to monanto...
YOU ARE A FUCKING ILLITERATE DOUCHEBAG

Save cannabis, keep Monsanto away from it!!
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
all you who voted YES to this...
YOU are DUMB.... go read something...
GMO is a killer! it belongs nowhere near our food
and nowhere near our medicine!!

again, if you voted yes to monanto...
YOU ARE A FUCKING ILLITERATE DOUCHEBAG

Save cannabis, keep Monsanto away from it!!
You don't know. You just don't know. Now you are acting like there was some plebiscite vote on Monsanto.

Yet you don't even know the real name of this bill and you don't know the para 756(?) to look for if you did know the bill.

What is this bill and how could I have voted for or against?

You don't know that this bill was to prohibit a court ordered injunction from being placed on the entire planting season and thus ruining the small farmers, did you?
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
say HELL FUCKING NO!
TO MONSANTO!!
GMO causes cancer..... flat out....
They've already killed our food!
dont let them kill the weed too!!


all you who voted YES to this...
YOU are DUMB.... go read something...
GMO is a killer! it belongs nowhere near our food
and nowhere near our medicine!!

again, if you voted yes to monanto...
YOU ARE A FUCKING ILLITERATE DOUCHEBAG

Save cannabis, keep Monsanto away from it!!
another chucklehead who didnt read the thread, instead assuming the false premise of the OP, and the bullshit of the fearmongering ecoloons.

3 posts with no logic, no reason, and no argument beyond "agree with my ignorant opinions, or you are stupid"
 

Figong

Well-Known Member
I was pretty damn sure that this thread was done around page 187.. which would have been ironic, but alas.. it's still going.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
all you who voted YES to this...
YOU are DUMB.... go read something...
GMO is a killer! it belongs nowhere near our food
and nowhere near our medicine!!

again, if you voted yes to monanto...
YOU ARE A FUCKING ILLITERATE DOUCHEBAG

Save cannabis, keep Monsanto away from it!!
Have you any reliable and valid evidence GMO causes any harm effects whatsoever?

I'd genuinely LOVE to read it.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Frank I found your Friday's tourette's post in my email but I haven't found it here?

Maybe a victim of self initiated chain reaction?

Remember we covered chain reactions earlier in this course Frank, were you not paying attention again?

Maybe a refresher is in order?

http://io9.com/5927112/chinas-worst-self+inflicted-disaster-the-campaign-to-wipe-out-the-common-sparrow


(excerpt)

"While many people nowadays would regard tampering with the ecosystem in such a radical way as a shockingly irresponsible idea, this was a classic case of something appearing like a good idea at the time."

China’s Worst Self-Inflicted Environmental Disaster: The Campaign to Wipe Out the Common Sparrow



Back in the 1950s, China was going through its Great Leap Forward, an effort to transform China from a largely agrarian nation to a thriving industrial Marxist powerhouse. These sweeping (and often brutal) reforms, touched virtually every facet of Chinese life — and as one particular episode in China's history points out, the animal kingdom was also far from immune. In 1958, China ordered the extermination of several pests, including sparrows — an ill-fated campaign that eventually led to catastrophe.
The Four Pests campaign
Chinese leader Mao Zedong initiated the Four Pests campaign after reaching the conclusion that several blights needed to be exterminated — namely mosquitoes, flies, rats, and sparrows. While many people nowadays would regard tampering with the ecosystem in such a radical way as a shockingly irresponsible idea, this was a classic case of something appearing like a good idea at the time. And according to environmental activist Dai Qing, "Mao knew nothing about animals. He didn't want to discuss his plan or listen to experts. He just decided that the 'four pests' should be killed."

Moreover, the idea fit in quite well with Mao's hard-line totalitarian Communist ideology. Marx himself was far from an environmentalist, proclaiming that nature should be fully exploited by humans for production purposes (a legacy which may explain China's poor environmental track record to this very day).
Now, while the Chinese citizens were called upon to wage war against all four of these pests, the government was particularly annoyed by the sparrow, or more specifically, the Eurasian Tree Sparrow. The Chinese were having a rough go of it as it was, adapting to collectivization and the re-invention of farming, so they felt particularly victimized by this bird which had a particular fondness for eating grain seeds. Chinese scientists had calculated that each sparrow consumed 4.5kg of grain each year — and that for every million sparrows killed, there would be food for 60,000 people. Armed with this information, Mao launched the Great Sparrow Campaign to address the problem.
"Total war"
To accomplish this task, Chinese citizens were mobilized in massive numbers to eradicate the birds by forcing them to fly until they fell from exhaustion. The Chinese people took to the streets clanging their pots and pans or beating drums to terrorize the birds and prevent them from landing. Nests were torn down, eggs were broken, chicks killed, and sparrows shot down from the sky. Experts estimate that hundreds of millions of sparrows were killed as part of the campaign.
An account from the Shanghai newspaper captures the excitement:
On the early morning of December 13, the citywide battle to destroy the sparrows began. In large and small streets, red flags were waving. On the buildings and in the courtyards, open spaces, roads and rural farm fields, there were numerous scarecrows, sentries, elementary and middle school students, government office employees, factory workers, farmers and People's Liberation Army shouting their war cries. In the Xincheng district, they produced more than 80,000 scarecrows and more than 100,000 colorful flags overnight. The residents of Xietu road, Xuhui distrct and Yangpu road Yulin district also produced a large number of motion scarecrows. In the city and the outskirts, almost half of the labor force was mobilized into the anti-sparrow army. Usually, the young people were responsible for trapping, poisoning and attacking the sparrows while the old people and the children kept sentry watch. The factories in the city committed themselves into the war effort even as they guaranteed that they would maintain production levels. In the parks, cemeteries and hot houses where there are fewer people around, 150 free-fire zones were set up for shooting the sparrows. The Nanyang Girls Middle School rifle team received training in the techniques for shooting birds. Thus the citizens fought a total war against the sparrows. By 8pm tonight, it is estimated that a total of 194,432 sparrows have been killed.
As a result of these efforts, the sparrow became nearly extinct in China.
And that's when the problems started.
Famine
By April of 1960, it started to become painfully obvious to the Chinese leaders that the sparrows, in addition to eating grains, ate insects.
Lots of insects.
And without the sparrows to curb the insect population, the crops were getting decimated in a way far worse than if birds had been allowed to hang around. Consequently, agricultural yields that year were disastrously low. Rice production in particular was hit the hardest. On the advice of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Mao declared full-stop to the Great Sparrow Campaign, replacing the birds with bed bugs on the Four Pests naughty list.
But the damage was done — and the situation got progressively worse. Locust populations swarmed the countryside with no sparrows in sight. Things got so bad that the Chinese government started importing sparrows from the Soviet Union. The overflow of insects, plus the added effects of widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides, were a significant contributor to the Great Chinese Famine (1958-1961) in which an estimated 30 million people died of starvation.
The episode serves as a stark lesson for what can happen when sweeping changes are made to an ecosystem. Yet, in a startlingly similar campaign initiated back in 2004, China culled 10,000 civet cats in an effort to eradicate SARS. And according to Tim Luard of the BBC, they have also launched a "patriotic extermination campaign" that targets badgers, raccoon dogs, rats, and cockroaches. The over-arching lesson, it would seem, may not have be learned.
Sources: BBC, NYT, Independent (1) (2), "Great Sparrow Campaign" video, China: A New History, ThinkQuest.
Top and inset image is in the public domain via Chinese government. Image of sparrow via Latiche/Wikipedia.

<em>[video=youtube;lHgoKKr85N8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=lHgoKKr85N8[/video]

also maybe this will be helpful...

http://connectedthefilm.com/

:D

 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Ya know they wiped out the passenger pigeon exactly the same way. They don't call that an ecological catastrophe of North America (well they should! &%@$ ) Don't bother.

You guys remind me paranoid schizophrenic patients. They see the same world, as the rest of us, but you are very afraid of it and thus, see it completely differently. Youse guys act like you have stunning revelations but when you look at it it is nothing.

There was not a bit of science in any of these old hippy claims I used to cling to like an ignorant hillbilly. Now it is worse with fake science snake oil. It is just like AGW, guns, WTC, eggs even. It has ever been so, that no matter what the level of tech, fake does happen.

No different now. It isn't magic tricks, it is peer review by retards. A peer review is only as good as the peers that review it. Science is backsliding is a few areas of atmospheric research, facts about guns are shouted down, studies where cancer mice get cancer and the Paper says AH HA....not science, snake oil.

See, research papers are not suppose to draw conclusions. They state results. They dare other scientist to repeat the result or prove them wrong,

I read them all the time. If you see a conclusion in the summary, read that very carefully, first. I don't read these things in typeset order. Then I see if this "conclusion" was even covered in the research. On GMO, I have yet to see a serious paper.

I've seem papers that are meaningless. It is to this level, to be graphic. Please don't read it. And I am not making it up. It is not science but is seems like it to the choir they preach it. I have seem experiments like this written up.

- Take the power transformers on the poles in the neighborhoods. Map them and then find house were someone died of cancer. Map that and say AH HA.

- Feed an irritant to an irritated pig's gut and say AH HA. (or make a cancer mouse get cancer)

- Rough up a dairy cow's nipple with sandpaper, and note that the morning dairy machine make is worse....Ah HA.

- Study the high energy collision of Boeing 767 into a steel column building at 500 mph. Find a coating of Al and Fe.

But also concluded that tons of manufactured nano-thermite were hauled up into the building for some unknown reason. AHHHHHHHH HAAAAAAAAAAA! The govt did it.

So, no conclusions are draw in science, ever. That is the job of Tech. "Well, that means now we can possibly try...."

Get it?
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
It must be a great challenge living day to day with such extreme social dyslexia dear doer, my heart goes out 2u<3
but fear not'
You are simply a part of nature, not separate from it doer...no need to allow your all consuming fear to translate into an illusion of needing to control everything to your every fear inspired whim...in fact such fear inspired action usually ends up being very counter productive...no need to fear non GE potato's or corn etc and no need to fear the critters that would share such with you for daily sustenance...just let it bee' ;)
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Finally....you show your colors. Now you begin the personal insults like all the other passive aggressivse that have no science, only fear. The smary act...like you really care. Coward.

Hippies are more fucked up than church ladies in this regard. You bring nothing because you have nothing. And since you have nothing, you lie.

And when I call the lie, I get the personal ragging back. So, fuck off? You are Saying I am fearful? A Social Dyslexia? Yeah, I hang around bikers, MMA types, their untouchable, loose women, Class 3 weapon permit holders and assorted other nice people.

You old hippies are afraid of your own shadows and that is why you lie.

In SCOTUS, Bowman was 7 to NOTHING against you.

Para 7xx in the Farm Bill was not to support Monsanto, it was to protect the small farmers from you.

So, I can show you my capabilities only face to face. Here you are just a whining forum nothing, barking up the wrong tree.

Sparrows in China? Grow up, Tinkerbell.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
OK, OK, megalomaniac. It's all about you after all, isn't it? I thought so. The giant ego of righteousness. Oh, we know it well, around here.

Go walk around. Don't pretend you have any effect on me emotionally.Just more ego. Obviously, you seem perturbed.

I answer all these threads if and when I feel like it. If there too much confusion around, I can just ignore it.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Frank I found your Friday's tourette's post in my email but I haven't found it here?

Maybe a victim of self initiated chain reaction?

Remember we covered chain reactions earlier in this course Frank, were you not paying attention again?

Maybe a refresher is in order?

http://io9.com/5927112/chinas-worst-self+inflicted-disaster-the-campaign-to-wipe-out-the-common-sparrow


(excerpt)

"While many people nowadays would regard tampering with the ecosystem in such a radical way as a shockingly irresponsible idea, this was a classic case of something appearing like a good idea at the time."

China&#8217;s Worst Self-Inflicted Environmental Disaster: The Campaign to Wipe Out the Common Sparrow



Back in the 1950s, China was going through its Great Leap Forward, an effort to transform China from a largely agrarian nation to a thriving industrial Marxist powerhouse. These sweeping (and often brutal) reforms, touched virtually every facet of Chinese life &#8212; and as one particular episode in China's history points out, the animal kingdom was also far from immune. In 1958, China ordered the extermination of several pests, including sparrows &#8212; an ill-fated campaign that eventually led to catastrophe.
The Four Pests campaign
Chinese leader Mao Zedong initiated the Four Pests campaign after reaching the conclusion that several blights needed to be exterminated &#8212; namely mosquitoes, flies, rats, and sparrows. While many people nowadays would regard tampering with the ecosystem in such a radical way as a shockingly irresponsible idea, this was a classic case of something appearing like a good idea at the time. And according to environmental activist Dai Qing, "Mao knew nothing about animals. He didn't want to discuss his plan or listen to experts. He just decided that the 'four pests' should be killed."

Moreover, the idea fit in quite well with Mao's hard-line totalitarian Communist ideology. Marx himself was far from an environmentalist, proclaiming that nature should be fully exploited by humans for production purposes (a legacy which may explain China's poor environmental track record to this very day).
Now, while the Chinese citizens were called upon to wage war against all four of these pests, the government was particularly annoyed by the sparrow, or more specifically, the Eurasian Tree Sparrow. The Chinese were having a rough go of it as it was, adapting to collectivization and the re-invention of farming, so they felt particularly victimized by this bird which had a particular fondness for eating grain seeds. Chinese scientists had calculated that each sparrow consumed 4.5kg of grain each year &#8212; and that for every million sparrows killed, there would be food for 60,000 people. Armed with this information, Mao launched the Great Sparrow Campaign to address the problem.
"Total war"
To accomplish this task, Chinese citizens were mobilized in massive numbers to eradicate the birds by forcing them to fly until they fell from exhaustion. The Chinese people took to the streets clanging their pots and pans or beating drums to terrorize the birds and prevent them from landing. Nests were torn down, eggs were broken, chicks killed, and sparrows shot down from the sky. Experts estimate that hundreds of millions of sparrows were killed as part of the campaign.
An account from the Shanghai newspaper captures the excitement:
On the early morning of December 13, the citywide battle to destroy the sparrows began. In large and small streets, red flags were waving. On the buildings and in the courtyards, open spaces, roads and rural farm fields, there were numerous scarecrows, sentries, elementary and middle school students, government office employees, factory workers, farmers and People's Liberation Army shouting their war cries. In the Xincheng district, they produced more than 80,000 scarecrows and more than 100,000 colorful flags overnight. The residents of Xietu road, Xuhui distrct and Yangpu road Yulin district also produced a large number of motion scarecrows. In the city and the outskirts, almost half of the labor force was mobilized into the anti-sparrow army. Usually, the young people were responsible for trapping, poisoning and attacking the sparrows while the old people and the children kept sentry watch. The factories in the city committed themselves into the war effort even as they guaranteed that they would maintain production levels. In the parks, cemeteries and hot houses where there are fewer people around, 150 free-fire zones were set up for shooting the sparrows. The Nanyang Girls Middle School rifle team received training in the techniques for shooting birds. Thus the citizens fought a total war against the sparrows. By 8pm tonight, it is estimated that a total of 194,432 sparrows have been killed.
As a result of these efforts, the sparrow became nearly extinct in China.
And that's when the problems started.
Famine
By April of 1960, it started to become painfully obvious to the Chinese leaders that the sparrows, in addition to eating grains, ate insects.
Lots of insects.
And without the sparrows to curb the insect population, the crops were getting decimated in a way far worse than if birds had been allowed to hang around. Consequently, agricultural yields that year were disastrously low. Rice production in particular was hit the hardest. On the advice of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Mao declared full-stop to the Great Sparrow Campaign, replacing the birds with bed bugs on the Four Pests naughty list.
But the damage was done &#8212; and the situation got progressively worse. Locust populations swarmed the countryside with no sparrows in sight. Things got so bad that the Chinese government started importing sparrows from the Soviet Union. The overflow of insects, plus the added effects of widespread deforestation and misuse of poisons and pesticides, were a significant contributor to the Great Chinese Famine (1958-1961) in which an estimated 30 million people died of starvation.
The episode serves as a stark lesson for what can happen when sweeping changes are made to an ecosystem. Yet, in a startlingly similar campaign initiated back in 2004, China culled 10,000 civet cats in an effort to eradicate SARS. And according to Tim Luard of the BBC, they have also launched a "patriotic extermination campaign" that targets badgers, raccoon dogs, rats, and cockroaches. The over-arching lesson, it would seem, may not have be learned.
Sources: BBC, NYT, Independent (1) (2), "Great Sparrow Campaign" video, China: A New History, ThinkQuest.
Top and inset image is in the public domain via Chinese government. Image of sparrow via Latiche/Wikipedia.

<em>[video=youtube;lHgoKKr85N8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=lHgoKKr85N8[/video]

also maybe this will be helpful...

http://connectedthefilm.com/

:D

the above wall of kreld is more an indictment of your own reasoning than anyone else's.

declarations by fiat from jackholes who dont know their dirt chutes from a latrine trench is how the eco-loons do business, not rational people who want EVIDENCE of your claims before we rush out to put the blast on any technology or songbirds.

your anti-GMO cultural revolution is the irrational position, while those who see promise in the technology are well within the bounds of reason and empirical science.

try again with evidence of harm from REAL sources, not campfire ghost stories from "natural news"
 
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