Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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Doer

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(IMO) For the industry in general 'labeling' merely serves as a diversionary negotiations/debate tool (diverting from discussions on patenting life etc and the possible repercussions of messing with equations when you dont know all the numbers etc(genetic sequencing and its domino fall out)) and ultimately serves as a delaying tactic...by the time the 'labeling debate' is through we will have become far to dependent on genetically engineered crops to afford any discussion pertaining to the more critically relevant issues at stake...(imo)
No. Backwards. It is not the way this works in self rule so you must construct this fantasy. Such a sad Sophie. You can't know all about okra or anything else.

And there is no domino blah blah. Nice fail. You can't speak about this without lying thru your teeth for your Luddite agenda.

There are not any critical relevant issues at stake and that is your problem you big fat liar.
 

ChesusRice

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Ever seen the movie contagion


Alan Krumwiede (Jude Law), a conspiracy theorist, posts videos about the disease, and in one of them appears sick and later claims that he recovered using a homeopathic cure derived from forsythia. People attempting to obtain forsythia overwhelm pharmacies, accelerating the contagion as infected and healthy people congregate. Krumwiede leaps to national attention and, during a television interview, accuses Dr. Cheever of informing friends and family to leave Chicago before a quarantine is imposed. It is later revealed Krumwiede was never sick with the virus, but was attempting to boost demand on behalf of investors in the companies producing and distributing the homeopathic treatment. He is arrested for conspiracy and fraud, but is soon released after his 12 million blog readers collect and pay his bail.
 

Doer

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yall can keep mis using all teh words you like . .and try to dis credit without substance all you like

i have no doubt GMO will be a label i could care less if they stop GMing food . . . .just like i quit eating at fast food places a long time ago . . i dont boycott them and i dont tell you to . . . .but if they tried to package Mc D's in my local deli as ready made deli food . . .id def have something to say about it . .so cry all you want my moral objective is sound . . yall got nothing when it comes to reasons . . just excuses baseless personal attacks . . .as usual ...if you cant come up with a idea or point attack those who oppose you with slang and deceptive wording . . . like sophistry that keeps being tossed around by mini me and the parrot

to funny you dont even have a grasp of English language you use . . .
So foolish in that you are engaging in false argument even now. An in-capability? Fix it? You are attacking us to imply that we are hurt and cry or have anus pain or what ever your repressions lead you to. All false. You have a moral objective? So fucking what?

That is the point.
 

Doer

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Ever seen the movie contagion


Alan Krumwiede (Jude Law), a conspiracy theorist, posts videos about the disease, and in one of them appears sick and later claims that he recovered using a homeopathic cure derived from forsythia. People attempting to obtain forsythia overwhelm pharmacies, accelerating the contagion as infected and healthy people congregate. Krumwiede leaps to national attention and, during a television interview, accuses Dr. Cheever of informing friends and family to leave Chicago before a quarantine is imposed. It is later revealed Krumwiede was never sick with the virus, but was attempting to boost demand on behalf of investors in the companies producing and distributing the homeopathic treatment. He is arrested for conspiracy and fraud, but is soon released after his 12 million blog readers collect and pay his bail.
I did see that. And snake oil is as old as hills. Yeah, this is a crazy system that can be taken advantage of. And that why we don't depend on no law breaking. What about a GM snake that exudes canola oil? We hit the burgeoning gold regions of Developing world with real Snake oil.. make a fortune and move on. :) It's coming.

Wasn't that the one where the punks took over Edinburgh? I don't want to spoil it.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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soph·ist·ry
ˈsäfəstrē/
noun
noun: sophistry
1.
the use of fallacious arguments, esp. with the intention of deceiving.


Products that contain GM foods shouldnt be labeled as such, labels only purpose is to infer warning


some labels on packaging are their as a warning( like: this product was processed in a factory that also process peanuts beware of possible cross contamination)

so that means all labels are a warning to infer possible harm or risk

Informal fallacy^
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
soph·ist·ry
ˈsäfəstrē/
noun
noun: sophistry
1.
the use of fallacious arguments, esp. with the intention of deceiving.


Products that contain GM foods shouldnt be labeled as such, labels only purpose is to infer warning


some labels on packaging are their as a warning( like: this product was processed in a factory that also process peanuts beware of possible cross contamination)

so that means all labels are a warning to infer possible harm or risk

Informal fallacy^
You are correct sir
Some labels confer beneficial information
Like nutrional value and calories
So how is GMO foods different nutritionally than non GMO foods?
if there is not difference why would you have to Label the foods as GMO?
 

Doer

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So you are playing like girl. I see. HA HA HAHA HA. Is that it, Sophie? Incapable of proposing a position because all you have is false argument. So you repeat yourself.

Go to all CAPS and cry? :)
 

Someacdude

Active Member
Ever seen the movie contagion


Alan Krumwiede (Jude Law), a conspiracy theorist, posts videos about the disease, and in one of them appears sick and later claims that he recovered using a homeopathic cure derived from forsythia. People attempting to obtain forsythia overwhelm pharmacies, accelerating the contagion as infected and healthy people congregate. Krumwiede leaps to national attention and, during a television interview, accuses Dr. Cheever of informing friends and family to leave Chicago before a quarantine is imposed. It is later revealed Krumwiede was never sick with the virus, but was attempting to boost demand on behalf of investors in the companies producing and distributing the homeopathic treatment. He is arrested for conspiracy and fraud, but is soon released after his 12 million blog readers collect and pay his bail.
That wasnt a movie, its very similar what the drug companies do every single day.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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got nothing to say with substance so you ad hominen . . . . .

my argument stands . .you got nothing as usual

labeling so consumers know what they are purchasing . . .. pretty basic . . . .

go back to your validation thread and bitch about labels being anti-con . . .thats was funny

but tbh i love to see you post, your ironic and dubious command of the English language is quite amusing, and then to see parrot magee doing the same was priceless

sophistry . . lol . .whats the saying cant see the forest for the trees. . . . .
 

Samwell Seed Well

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and tbh this GMO act spam doesnt help . .but it does do a good job and red flagging the crazies . . . traps in their own facades(that goes both ways OP)
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
You are correct sir
Some labels confer beneficial information
Like nutrional value and calories
So how is GMO foods different nutritionally than non GMO foods?
if there is not difference why would you have to Label the foods as GMO?
labels tell us info like calories and nutritional values, GMO foods have been shown to have similar in not the same nutritional values as non GMO, therefore GMO doesn't need to be labeled to differential between the two

formal fallacy^


their is no reasonable reason anyone of you can come up with to not label GMO products . . .as such...GMO
 

ChesusRice

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Skeptics believe that the human body has no ability to defend itself against invading microorganism and that the only things that can save people from viral infections are vaccines
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
labels tell us info like calories and nutritional values, GMO foods have been shown to have similar in not the same nutritional values as non GMO, therefore GMO doesn't need to be labeled to differential between the two

formal fallacy^


their is no reasonable reason anyone of you can come up with to not label GMO products . . .as such...GMO
Should we start labeling greenhouse grown vegtables and farm grown vegtables as well?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
got nothing to say with substance so you ad hominen . . . . .

my argument stands . .you got nothing as usual

labeling so consumers know what they are purchasing . . .. pretty basic . . . .

go back to your validation thread and bitch about labels being anti-con . . .thats was funny

but tbh i love to see you post, your ironic and dubious command of the English language is quite amusing, and then to see parrot magee doing the same was priceless

sophistry . . lol . .whats the saying cant see the forest for the trees. . . . .
Hey, that's cool. But, I can highlight your outrageous false argument and I do. You say, the equivalence of na nany boo boo, you do it to.

Like a little kid. Regressed. So, go ahead. Let us discuss this. What specifically are the words I use, you claim is sophistry?

Man up.
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
my personal opinion of lack of evidence is not evidence(also a fallacy) is absent to the fact that labeling has no intention other then to inform

go ahead an back peddle all you want now . . .and source and cite all the opinion pieces and post i made.

my opinion that labeling for consumers is so WE are able to make a informed decision on what exactly WE are purchasing

your attempt to connect one argument that cannot be proven to another argument that is sound is a fallacy as well

you should change your name to Doer of facades

cause thats all your act has
[video=youtube;WPuuloP8Zao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPuuloP8Zao[/video]
 

Doer

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No backing of your claims of sophistry. Fine. See. I do not indulge, thank you very much. It cheapens ones approach.
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
No backing of your claims of sophistry. Fine. See. I do not indulge, thank you very much. It cheapens ones approach.
cant you read . .to funny man . . . .next!

soph·ist·ry
ˈsäfəstrē/
noun
noun: sophistry
1.
the use of fallacious arguments, esp. with the intention of deceiving.


Products that contain GM foods shouldnt be labeled as such, labels only purpose is to infer warning (Doers argument all day)


some labels on packaging are their as a warning( like: this product was processed in a factory that also process peanuts beware of possible cross contamination)

so that means all labels are a warning to infer possible harm or risk


Informal fallacy^
or a fallacious argument
 
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