Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
And so you admit it. Case solved, he's lobbying for a Bill that'll benefit him. That explains the bullshit.
Frank no matter what I write it only helps you look foolish, trying to not help you look foolish is like trying to hold ones piss...
The problem for you on this one is that we only grow on less than a half acre and we don't sell any of it, we consume it.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Frank no matter what I write it only helps you look foolish, trying to not help you look foolish is like trying to hold ones piss...
The problem for you on this one is that we only grow on less than a half acre and we don't sell any of it, we consume it.
Surez.

Cool story bro.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Surez.

Cool story bro.
Frank why in the world would you want corporations to redesign your genetic existence?...That was hard for me to write Frank because it could be that your existence is the best argument for such.





Our Humanity, Naturally

A club for humanists
by Dave Niose

Why Corporations Are Psychotic


These "people" are not healthy
Published on March 16, 2011 by David Niose in Our Humanity, Naturally
Senator Bernie Sanders echoed the sentiments of many last week when he called for a constitutional amendment to repeal the notion of corporate personhood. This issue jumped into public consciousness last year after the Supreme Court, in its Citizens United decision, effectively allowed unrestrained corporate influence in American politics, based partially on the idea that corporations are legally "persons" with constitutional rights. Sanders, in calling for the constitutional amendment, declared: "This is an enormously important issue, and how it is resolved will determine, to a significant degree, the future of American democracy."
What is it about corporate personhood that so concerns Sanders and many others? That question could be answered many ways, but perhaps this is most concise: Corporations are psychotic.
If corporations are indeed "persons," their mental condition can accurately be described as pathological. Corporations have no innate moral impulses, and in fact they exist solely for the purpose of making money. As such, these "persons" are systemically driven to do whatever is necessary to increase revenues and profits, with no regard for ethical issues that might nag real people.

But, you say, corporations are owned and managed by real people, so surely immoral corporate actions might be inhibited by them? Well, not really. First of all, the officers and directors who run corporations are actually duty-bound to act in the corporation's best financial interest, and that means they are obliged to do whatever they can within the law to make money. Thus, this fiduciary duty requires corporate management to set aside ethical niceties when they get in the way of corporate profits. This is why tobacco companies market their products to kids when they can - only laws prohibiting such conduct will keep them from doing so.

This is especially true when we are dealing with large, publicly traded corporations. Whereas a small corporation could have local ownership, management, and community roots that might resist the drive for profit in certain situations, publicly traded corporations almost always answer to institutional investors and have tremendous pressure to produce short-term profits. The management chain in a publicly traded corporation is necessarily geared for profit, not ethics.Thus, the entity is a "person" with a totally self-absorbed psyche, a narcissistic "person" that has enormous resources to advertise and market itself to the public, to hire professionals of all types to influence public opinion, to litigate and lobby as needed, to ruthlessly pursue its goal of revenue and profit, and to join other corporations and industry associations in crushing any opposition posed by mere individuals or public interest groups.
But hasn't it always been this way? Isn't that what capitalism is all about - corporate interests driving the economy?
Actually, no. Corporate libertarians would have you believe that somehow corporate dominance is entirely consistent with the values and vision of the Founding Fathers, but this is pure myth. The framers believed in limited government and free markets, but corporations were almost non-existent in the early days of the Republic. Unlike today, one could not form a corporation simply by filing a few papers with a government office; instead, permission from the government was needed (usually via an act of the Legislature) and was granted only upon a showing that the proposed corporation would be in the public interest. When corporate formation was allowed, strict terms and limitations were demanded.
Corporate formation was viewed skeptically in those days because corporations were correctly recognized as dangerous. Unlike sole proprietorships or partnerships, corporations allow investors to pool huge sums of capital and pursue profits while remaining immune from personal liability. Thus, if I own shares of XYZ Corporation and the company breaches a $10 million contract obligation, there is no chance that I will be personally liable on the contract. If I own a sole proprietorship or partnership that breaches such a contract, my personal assets are at risk.
This immunity makes the corporate structure extremely attractive to investors, even absentee investors, which means publicly traded corporations can attract enormous amounts of capital, which in turn results in their wielding great economic power. In modern society where corporations are widespread and commonplace, this economic power enables them to have great social and cultural influence, defining to a large degree how we live our lives and even the values we hold as a society. And of course economic power easily translates to political power as well.
It wasn't until the latter half of the Nineteenth Century, long after the framers were dead, that corporate interests began to reshape the social, legal, and political environment so that their interests became paramount, far more important to politicians than the interests of ordinary citizens. Corporate personhood was a key part of this scheme.
Thus, while corporate libertarians are quick to point out that the framers and other intellectuals of the founding era were wary of excessive governmental power, they conveniently neglect to mention that concentrated corporate power was also viewed skeptically. In fact, Adam Smith, whose "Wealth of Nations" is often cited by corporate apologists as validating "free markets," warned against unrestrained, concentrated corporate power and instead encouraged small-scale, local economic activity. Published in 1776, "Wealth of Nations" predates the rise of corporate power, and suggestions by corporate libertarians that the book somehow supports the notion of corporate dominance are either mistaken or outright dishonest.
It's worth noting that libertarians have no right to claim that a laissez-faire environment would allow unregulated corporate power. Since corporations themselves are a fictitious creation of government, a true libertarian environment (with minimal government) would find them unnecessary and somewhat repugnant. Thus, ironically, at their essence corporations are a creation of government meddling.
The pathological and narcissistic nature of corporate "persons" is reason enough to deny them fundamental constitutional rights that should be reserved for flesh-and-bone persons, but the fact that they also wield economic resources far in excess of those available to real persons magnifies the need to restrain them. Author David C. Korten calls the claim by corporations for constitutional rights equal to those of humans a "legal perversion," saying that "corporations should obey the laws decided by the citizenry, not write those laws."
Korten's statement alludes to why this issue is so critical to effective democracy. Because corporate interests have immense resources that enable them to participate in lobbying and litigation, they effectively control the governmental machine. If individual citizens today feel powerless and cynical about politics and government, who can blame them? Participatory democracy is not alive and well in America, because pathological corporate interests have complete control of the system. This is why Sanders's declaration, that the future of American democracy may rely on the outcome of this issue, is not an overstatement. What kind of "persons" will control democracy - corporate or human?
The Tea Party and Corporate Power

The call by Sanders for a constitutional amendment cries out for popular support, and any mention of populism nowadays calls to mind the Tea Party. Progressives tend to dismiss Tea Party activists as ignorant and/or deluded, but we should realize that the Tea Party has a few (very few) valid points. At a minimum, the Tea Party is correct in saying that American democracy today would be unrecognizable to the framers.
In their speculation of what the framers would think about today's America, however, Tea Party activists make the mistake of not considering the question fully. They focus almost exclusively on the singular issue of downsizing government, completely ignoring other aspects of modern America that would grab the framers' attention. Surely, if Adams, Jefferson and Madison could be magically transplanted to modern America, their actual assessment of society would be much more comprehensive than critiquing the tax system and size of government.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Frank why in the world would you want corporations to redesign your genetic existence?...That was hard for me to write Frank because it could be that your existence is the best argument for such.





Our Humanity, Naturally

A club for humanists
by Dave Niose

Why Corporations Are Psychotic


These "people" are not healthy
Published on March 16, 2011 by David Niose in Our Humanity, Naturally
Senator Bernie Sanders echoed the sentiments of many last week when he called for a constitutional amendment to repeal the notion of corporate personhood. This issue jumped into public consciousness last year after the Supreme Court, in its Citizens United decision, effectively allowed unrestrained corporate influence in American politics, based partially on the idea that corporations are legally "persons" with constitutional rights. Sanders, in calling for the constitutional amendment, declared: "This is an enormously important issue, and how it is resolved will determine, to a significant degree, the future of American democracy."
What is it about corporate personhood that so concerns Sanders and many others? That question could be answered many ways, but perhaps this is most concise: Corporations are psychotic.
If corporations are indeed "persons," their mental condition can accurately be described as pathological. Corporations have no innate moral impulses, and in fact they exist solely for the purpose of making money. As such, these "persons" are systemically driven to do whatever is necessary to increase revenues and profits, with no regard for ethical issues that might nag real people.

But, you say, corporations are owned and managed by real people, so surely immoral corporate actions might be inhibited by them? Well, not really. First of all, the officers and directors who run corporations are actually duty-bound to act in the corporation's best financial interest, and that means they are obliged to do whatever they can within the law to make money. Thus, this fiduciary duty requires corporate management to set aside ethical niceties when they get in the way of corporate profits. This is why tobacco companies market their products to kids when they can - only laws prohibiting such conduct will keep them from doing so.

This is especially true when we are dealing with large, publicly traded corporations. Whereas a small corporation could have local ownership, management, and community roots that might resist the drive for profit in certain situations, publicly traded corporations almost always answer to institutional investors and have tremendous pressure to produce short-term profits. The management chain in a publicly traded corporation is necessarily geared for profit, not ethics.Thus, the entity is a "person" with a totally self-absorbed psyche, a narcissistic "person" that has enormous resources to advertise and market itself to the public, to hire professionals of all types to influence public opinion, to litigate and lobby as needed, to ruthlessly pursue its goal of revenue and profit, and to join other corporations and industry associations in crushing any opposition posed by mere individuals or public interest groups.
But hasn't it always been this way? Isn't that what capitalism is all about - corporate interests driving the economy?
Actually, no. Corporate libertarians would have you believe that somehow corporate dominance is entirely consistent with the values and vision of the Founding Fathers, but this is pure myth. The framers believed in limited government and free markets, but corporations were almost non-existent in the early days of the Republic. Unlike today, one could not form a corporation simply by filing a few papers with a government office; instead, permission from the government was needed (usually via an act of the Legislature) and was granted only upon a showing that the proposed corporation would be in the public interest. When corporate formation was allowed, strict terms and limitations were demanded.
Corporate formation was viewed skeptically in those days because corporations were correctly recognized as dangerous. Unlike sole proprietorships or partnerships, corporations allow investors to pool huge sums of capital and pursue profits while remaining immune from personal liability. Thus, if I own shares of XYZ Corporation and the company breaches a $10 million contract obligation, there is no chance that I will be personally liable on the contract. If I own a sole proprietorship or partnership that breaches such a contract, my personal assets are at risk.
This immunity makes the corporate structure extremely attractive to investors, even absentee investors, which means publicly traded corporations can attract enormous amounts of capital, which in turn results in their wielding great economic power. In modern society where corporations are widespread and commonplace, this economic power enables them to have great social and cultural influence, defining to a large degree how we live our lives and even the values we hold as a society. And of course economic power easily translates to political power as well.
It wasn't until the latter half of the Nineteenth Century, long after the framers were dead, that corporate interests began to reshape the social, legal, and political environment so that their interests became paramount, far more important to politicians than the interests of ordinary citizens. Corporate personhood was a key part of this scheme.
Thus, while corporate libertarians are quick to point out that the framers and other intellectuals of the founding era were wary of excessive governmental power, they conveniently neglect to mention that concentrated corporate power was also viewed skeptically. In fact, Adam Smith, whose "Wealth of Nations" is often cited by corporate apologists as validating "free markets," warned against unrestrained, concentrated corporate power and instead encouraged small-scale, local economic activity. Published in 1776, "Wealth of Nations" predates the rise of corporate power, and suggestions by corporate libertarians that the book somehow supports the notion of corporate dominance are either mistaken or outright dishonest.
It's worth noting that libertarians have no right to claim that a laissez-faire environment would allow unregulated corporate power. Since corporations themselves are a fictitious creation of government, a true libertarian environment (with minimal government) would find them unnecessary and somewhat repugnant. Thus, ironically, at their essence corporations are a creation of government meddling.
The pathological and narcissistic nature of corporate "persons" is reason enough to deny them fundamental constitutional rights that should be reserved for flesh-and-bone persons, but the fact that they also wield economic resources far in excess of those available to real persons magnifies the need to restrain them. Author David C. Korten calls the claim by corporations for constitutional rights equal to those of humans a "legal perversion," saying that "corporations should obey the laws decided by the citizenry, not write those laws."
Korten's statement alludes to why this issue is so critical to effective democracy. Because corporate interests have immense resources that enable them to participate in lobbying and litigation, they effectively control the governmental machine. If individual citizens today feel powerless and cynical about politics and government, who can blame them? Participatory democracy is not alive and well in America, because pathological corporate interests have complete control of the system. This is why Sanders's declaration, that the future of American democracy may rely on the outcome of this issue, is not an overstatement. What kind of "persons" will control democracy - corporate or human?
The Tea Party and Corporate Power

The call by Sanders for a constitutional amendment cries out for popular support, and any mention of populism nowadays calls to mind the Tea Party. Progressives tend to dismiss Tea Party activists as ignorant and/or deluded, but we should realize that the Tea Party has a few (very few) valid points. At a minimum, the Tea Party is correct in saying that American democracy today would be unrecognizable to the framers.
In their speculation of what the framers would think about today's America, however, Tea Party activists make the mistake of not considering the question fully. They focus almost exclusively on the singular issue of downsizing government, completely ignoring other aspects of modern America that would grab the framers' attention. Surely, if Adams, Jefferson and Madison could be magically transplanted to modern America, their actual assessment of society would be much more comprehensive than critiquing the tax system and size of government.
Why do you want to control what people choose to put into their bodies?
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Why do you want to control what people choose to put into their bodies?
That's just nutty Frank, why in the world would I want to do that?
I've never written such nor do I believe in such a thing.
It is the biotech industry that seeks to remove your/our choices Frank...
They seek to uniform and distribute everything Frank...its just 'good' business in America to limit your choices while presenting the illusion that you are providing more choices lol...
Folks are trained for such thinking in the corporately sponsored Universities Frank...
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
http://www.populartechnology.net/2008/12/anti-marijuana-resource.html
while researching this morning i came across this site

populartechnology.net/2008/12/anti-marijuana-resource.html

normally it would be something i ignore for the nonsense it is

but seeing the work thats gone into it i would like to celebrate one of our newest members work

"Marijuana is a very dangerous drug that has been propagandized as "safe" by weak minded idiots. The reality is marijuana is an addictive drug that can cause brain damage, cancer, gum disease, heart disease, infertility, lung disease, obesity, pregnancy failure, viral infections and doubles the risk of car accidents.""

andrew seeing as how you've graced this site how abouts you give us some comment on this


"andrew" might not, but I will...for the life of me I don't see how you don't connect the dots?

Tw, it is exactly efforts like this linked above which I retrieved from your thread on such, that will keep naturally occurring varieties of cannabis schedule 1 and illegal while genetically engineered cannabis approved as 'safe' by the FDA and 'legalized' by undoubtedly coming federal laws will become the 'industry'.
I wouldn't be surprised if corporations like Monsanto are paying folks like "andrew" to do exactly these sort of things in the count down to new federal laws concerning cannabis, or as they still intentionally call it, marijuana.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
That's just nutty Frank, why in the world would I want to do that?
I've never written such nor do I believe in such a thing.
It is the biotech industry that seeks to remove your/our choices Frank...
They seek to uniform and distribute everything Frank...its just 'good' business in America to limit your choices while presenting the illusion that you are providing more choices lol...
Folks are trained for such thinking in the corporately sponsored Universities Frank...
How exactly are they going to stop you buying your seeds from elsewhere?

The only truthful answer is they can't.

Why do 97% of all soya bean farmers CHOOSE to use Monsanto products? And why do you choose to try pass these laws even tho you know it'd fuck 97% of soya producers?
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
I wrote:
Originally Posted by DNAprotection
That's just nutty Frank, why in the world would I want to do that?
I've never written such nor do I believe in such a thing.
It is the biotech industry that seeks to remove your/our choices Frank...
They seek to uniform and distribute everything Frank...its just 'good' business in America to limit your choices while presenting the illusion that you are providing more choices lol...
Folks are trained for such thinking in the corporately sponsored Universities Frank...

Then you wrote:
How exactly are they going to stop you buying your seeds from elsewhere?

The only truthful answer is they can't.

Why do 97% of all soya bean farmers CHOOSE to use Monsanto products? And why do you choose to try pass these laws even tho you know it'd fuck 97% of soya producers?
Goodness gracious Frank wtf are you talking about lol...your mixing metaphors...
Now would you like to discuss how biotech ultimately ends up limiting choices or the political and socioeconomic circumstances that herds farmers up just like so much cattle for biotech leaders like Monsanto?
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/606902-anti-gmo-luddite-apologizes.html

dd, It seems that some how because you found a site (tw found such b4u btw, c DNA thread lol) where some person has switched sides as it were, not unlike an anti nuke suddenly being in favor of nuke plants because now sees as 'green', I am now suppose to apologize for my views and do the same, and you feel so proud and confident that you have some kind of 'proof' that you posted a thread entirely dedicated to getting me to do so. Do I have that part right?
Well dd the very first problem is that I'm not necessarily 'antiGMO' and if you had read the thread that apparently has you in such a tizzy you would know that.
In other words I did not post that thread to 'debate' about the positive or negative health effects of GMO's, I posted that thread to pose the question that you seem to be a good example for, shouldn't we get out of diapers in terms of our perspectives of and interactions with the rest of nature that we are a part of before we run about redesigning 4billion year old genetics in our further pursuit of gold, not feeding the hungry as you run about howling like a corporate dog.
The possible far reaching unforeseen consequences of technology such as this is not worth whatever perceived short term benefit to someones personal wealth might come of it.
People will eat again when govs and corps give them the land back and just let them go back to it.
You've only just begun to see the refugee camps around the world, that's what these corps really do, not feed the people.
I tell ya what dd, as soon as you can figure out all this people shooting each other and all this gun control stuff I will then concede that we maybe are ready for prime time genetic engineering.
 

dank smoker420

Well-Known Member
organics has works for many many centuries. why would you want to use something that is not old enough to even understand the side effects? there is no reason to use GM crops even for food production. we have the capability to produce our food closer to where it is consumed. there should be more local/urban farms around cities that can produce sustainable food for the people. there are alot of cities that produce a good amount of sustainable foods and if more people actually cared about where their food came from there would hopefully be more sustainable farms to produce it. it works in alot of cities so why cant there be even more cities that produce sustainable food? In austin TX there are atleast 30 local/urban farms that produce a good amount of food. in DFW there are about 5-10 in the whole 9,000 square miles.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
organics has works for many many centuries. why would you want to use something that is not old enough to even understand the side effects? there is no reason to use GM crops even for food production. we have the capability to produce our food closer to where it is consumed. there should be more local/urban farms around cities that can produce sustainable food for the people. there are alot of cities that produce a good amount of sustainable foods and if more people actually cared about where their food came from there would hopefully be more sustainable farms to produce it. it works in alot of cities so why cant there be even more cities that produce sustainable food? In austin TX there are atleast 30 local/urban farms that produce a good amount of food. in DFW there are about 5-10 in the whole 9,000 square miles.
To my understanding Corpses like Monsanto et al and big oil etc threatens or pay off governments around the world in effort to displace human populations in their quest for control of food and other resources as talked about in the 'economic hit man' interviews:
[video=youtube;yTbdnNgqfs8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yTbdnNgqfs8[/video]

Also see:
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/15/self_described_economic_hit_man_john

This is really where the probs begin...

BRIA 23 4 c Patenting Life
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOUNDATION
Bill of Rights in Action
WINTER 2008 (Volume 23, No. 4)
Patenting Life The U.S. Patent Office issues patents for new inventions. With the development of biotechnology, scientists are designing new bacteria, plants, and even animals for medical and other uses. The issue arises: Should patents be issued for these living things?
Patenting living things has always provoked controversy. Some of the controversy hinges on moral and ethical issues, and some on legal disputes. Another area of controversy is whether patenting cell lines, specific genes, and diagnostic tests actually helps or hinders medical care.
The Supreme Court has not considered this issue since 1980. Since that time, many revolutionary discoveries in biotechnology have occurred. Scientists, lawyers, and businessmen agree that the law on patenting life has not kept up with new discoveries and that it is time for Congress to act.
Can Living Things Be Patented?
Ananda Mahan Charkrbarty grew up in India. After finishing his PhD, he came to the United States and in the1970s was working for General Electric in genetic engineering. Charkrabarty invented a new kind of bacteria to which he added plasmids (small pieces of DNA, separate from the chromosome) from other bacteria. His multiplasmid bacteria grew faster and better on crude oil than any of the single plasmid bacteria. His new bacteria were good at cleaning up oil spills because they consumed oil so quickly. After meeting with a patent attorney, he decided to apply for a patent on his oil-eating bacteria.
The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) denied Chakrabarty's patent application in 1973. The PTO ruled that Chakrabarty's bacterium was a "product of nature" and no one may get a patent for living things. Seven years later, the case made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which overruled the PTO.
In its decision, the Supreme Court analyzed the language of the Patent Act (35 U.S. Code 101), which states:
Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter . . . may obtain a patent therefore, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title.
read more here:
http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-23-4-c-patenting-life

 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
To my understanding Corpses like Monsanto et al and big oil etc threatens or pay off governments around the world in effort to displace human populations in their quest for control of food and other resources as talked about in the 'economic hit man' interviews:
[video=youtube;yTbdnNgqfs8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yTbdnNgqfs8[/video]

Also see:
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/15/self_described_economic_hit_man_john

This is really where the probs begin...

BRIA 23 4 c Patenting Life
CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOUNDATION
Bill of Rights in Action
WINTER 2008 (Volume 23, No. 4)
Patenting Life The U.S. Patent Office issues patents for new inventions. With the development of biotechnology, scientists are designing new bacteria, plants, and even animals for medical and other uses. The issue arises: Should patents be issued for these living things?
Patenting living things has always provoked controversy. Some of the controversy hinges on moral and ethical issues, and some on legal disputes. Another area of controversy is whether patenting cell lines, specific genes, and diagnostic tests actually helps or hinders medical care.
The Supreme Court has not considered this issue since 1980. Since that time, many revolutionary discoveries in biotechnology have occurred. Scientists, lawyers, and businessmen agree that the law on patenting life has not kept up with new discoveries and that it is time for Congress to act.
Can Living Things Be Patented?
Ananda Mahan Charkrbarty grew up in India. After finishing his PhD, he came to the United States and in the1970s was working for General Electric in genetic engineering. Charkrabarty invented a new kind of bacteria to which he added plasmids (small pieces of DNA, separate from the chromosome) from other bacteria. His multiplasmid bacteria grew faster and better on crude oil than any of the single plasmid bacteria. His new bacteria were good at cleaning up oil spills because they consumed oil so quickly. After meeting with a patent attorney, he decided to apply for a patent on his oil-eating bacteria.
The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (PTO) denied Chakrabarty's patent application in 1973. The PTO ruled that Chakrabarty's bacterium was a "product of nature" and no one may get a patent for living things. Seven years later, the case made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which overruled the PTO.
In its decision, the Supreme Court analyzed the language of the Patent Act (35 U.S. Code 101), which states:
Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter . . . may obtain a patent therefore, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title.
read more here:
http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-23-4-c-patenting-life

Without patentability, why would any company engage in genetic engineering research? Remove the profit incentive and GM organisms go the way of the dodo.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Without patentability, why would any company engage in genetic engineering research? Remove the profit incentive and GM organisms go the way of the dodo.
It would only remove some of greatest majority of the profit potential in the area of monopolizing through patenting life and so be it...in there maybe we have a better chance of the technology being used responsibly in my opinion instead of being driven by profit motives.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You're a creepy troll. You say that, yet you're against banning DNA patents.
DNA is becoming big business. It is not a technology that can be undone by fiat. I would suggest a better tactic is to adapt patent law to cover the best compromise between corporate entitlement to protection of intellectual property (without which the engine for research goes away) ... and the fact the GM organisms multiply and carry copies of the proprietary bits in perpetuity.
DNA patents are not intrinsically evil. They can be if they're allowed to not expire due to corporate sleight-of-lawyer. Imo the focus is not to kill GM as a lawful enterprise, but to circumscribe it in such a way that it cannot be forged into a durable monopoly. Jmo. cn
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
DNA is becoming big business. It is not a technology that can be undone by fiat. I would suggest a better tactic is to adapt patent law to cover the best compromise between corporate entitlement to protection of intellectual property (without which the engine for research goes away) ... and the fact the GM organisms multiply and carry copies of the proprietary bits in perpetuity.
DNA patents are not intrinsically evil. They can be if they're allowed to not expire due to corporate sleight-of-lawyer. Imo the focus is not to kill GM as a lawful enterprise, but to circumscribe it in such a way that it cannot be forged into a durable monopoly. Jmo. cn
5 year patents.

That is all.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
You can play God but only on a turntable, du'ude. cn
I think thats the point cn, that 'god' or 'whatever gets ya through your life its all right', is a place or thing that we as a species should not yet try to supplant.
Biotech genetic engineering, nano tech etc these are areas that seek to play 'god' for us all.
As I have written here before that for me its all a numbers game and the numbers need not be fixed by the guys who own the track and the jockeys and even the horses already.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
I think thats the point cn, that 'god' or 'whatever gets ya through your life its all right', is a place or thing that we as a species should not yet try to supplant.
Biotech genetic engineering, nano tech etc these are areas that seek to play 'god' for us all.
As I have written here before that for me its all a numbers game and the numbers need not be fixed by the guys who own the track and the jockeys and even the horses already.
Cock-waffle.

If it was a "numbers" game for you, then you'd have noticed the TRILLIONS of GM crops grown that havnt resulted in a SINGLE problem. Instead you spout about supplanting natural design.

Youre the sort of idiot that's slowing our species' advancement down.
 
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