More Freedom Loving Lefties On The March

BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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Serapis said:
Um, what are you on about? People make their own decisions in life and they reap or suffer the consequences. No one believes that they need government to tell them what to do, that remark is just silly... You keeop throwing around the word "personal responsibility", so let me ask you something? You ever use a highway to get somewhere? How about cross a river on a bridge? Ever eat a school lunch? How about flown from point A to point B? Did you receive college loans or grants, did you even go to college? Do you use the internet?

A lot of conservatives and Tea Party activists do not stop to consider the ways in which the government makes their lives better. they consistently call for smaller government and imply that anyone needing government services is not "personally responsible". We all rely on our government, some just won't admit it....
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I’m not against paying taxes. I have no problem paying taxes for infrastructure. It benefits society as a whole. I have a problem when government creates a system to work one group of individuals against another, which is what the tax system does.

Sure there are a few people who can’t help themselves but there is a lot more just on the government tit. Government hinders free market solutions to problems like the cost of health care. Some states require healthcare plans to cover hair plugs. It is impossible for my sister to have any more children. Because of cancer she had to have a hysterectomy. But under state law her insurance company is required to cover her for child birth.

I’m not foolish enough to thing that total deregulation of every market is a good thing. But I’m not for regulation for regulations sake. I’m also not foolish enough to think private corporations are working in my best interest, and government is no exception.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Yes, it does... it rewards one class of citizen for being wealthy and penalizes the others for not. We have given away trillions of dollars to the rich in tax cuts, under the guise that it would trickle down and create more prosperity for more Americans. It has had the exact opposite effect and it is time to end the experiment.

I’m not against paying taxes. I have no problem paying taxes for infrastructure. It benefits society as a whole. I have a problem when government creates a system to work one group of individuals against another, which is what the tax system does.
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BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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Oh not seizing someone’s money is giving them money they already earned? The bottom 40% pays has no federal tax liabilities but it’s the rich that get rewarded please explain that to me because I’m not understanding.
 
canndo

canndo

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jeff f said:
your argument is totally against your position.

THE CORPORATION IS THE SCHOOL.

parents cant give their kids a lunch. your kid is forced to eat what the corporation makes them. do you think school lunches are made from magic trees that produce magic food? even if you are parent of the year and pack a perfectly balanced diet, you cant let YOUR kid eat it.

you keep preaching this crap about the corporations making food available to kids to make them fat....HELLO, NUMBSKULL, your kid is forced to eat what the corporation MAKES them eat...shitty, unhealthy, mass produced, money making cafeteria food. school cafeteria food IS BIG BUSINESS DUMMIES.

you are a mental midget.
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I have already stated that I believe it to be wrong to ban bag lunches. I can see you have no comprehension of "free will" in America today, in fact it seems that you don't realize that even though you are at least somewhat enlightend you don't realize the intense pressure that all people and children in particular are placed under by a consumerist centric society. So far as my mental midgetry is concerned, you must certainly be correct. I have no mental or communication abilities whatsoever. You cought on so quickly, surely you must be very very smart.
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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I don’t think businesses should have to pay taxes. At the end of the day it’s the customer of the business who actually pays the taxes. But how many of those are S Corps, sole proprietorships, or general partnerships? You do know they report income on their personal income taxes.

Hell this is right out of the article:

“But many of the companies the report found had paid no tax were likely small businesses that pay other taxes. Generally, many small firms, because they do not have shareholders, are able to shift corporate income to individual income”
 
Nitegazer

Nitegazer

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BudMcLovin said:
I don’t think businesses should have to pay taxes. At the end of the day it’s the customer of the business who actually pays the taxes. But how many of those are S Corps, sole proprietorships, or general partnerships? You do know they report income on their personal income taxes.

Hell this is right out of the article:

“But many of the companies the report found had paid no tax were likely small businesses that pay other taxes. Generally, many small firms, because they do not have shareholders, are able to shift corporate income to individual income”
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So is this:
"25% of U.S. corporations with more than $250 million in assets or $50 million in sales paid no federal income taxes in 2005. Those companies totaled a combined $372 billion in sales for the largest foreign companies and $1.1 trillion in revenue for the biggest U.S. companies."

The point is, you're being played. The current conservative movement in the US is funded by the very wealthy (I'll provide links if you need them) for their agenda. They don't give a crap about you or anyone else who earns less than a couple million a year. They like to get populists all fired up about soda bans, Obama's birth certificate and silly symbolic stuff so they can keep most middle and working class Americans squabbling amongst ourselves while they widen their tax loopholes.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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Serapis said:
If you feel the need to call others names, take that shit elsewhere.... if however you want to discuss differences and debates solutions like an adult, please stay and contribute to those ends... when you have to result to name calling, you have already lost the argument ;)

Most of us have already disagreed with the banning of lunches from home. Where were you? And the fact that ingredients come from companies, has no merit in this discussion. School lunches, by law, are nutritionally balanced. some may not taste as good as food from home, but they are nutritional. Corporations aren't making school lunches, food service workers do, and the menu at some level is approved by a certified nutritionist. this doesn't give the school principal the right to ban home lunches. We have already stipulated that point.
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wow, are you out to lunch. ho bud, i contract for the school. i know whats in the lunches. sometimes i even eat them. nutrition? hahaha yes right.

tell me this mr no nothing.....who makes the juice boxes? how about the "granola" bars? how about the pizza, tator tots, fake meatball sammiches? dude, you really should get in your kids school more often.

further, kids now get breakfast, lunch and dinner at school. using your logic all are kids should be pictures of health....especially the poor kids who eat mostly cafeteria food.

nice try tho, keep your head in the dirt....ostrich
 
Leothwyn

Leothwyn

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jeff f said:
let me repeat YOU CANT PACK YOUR KIDS LUNCH. YOUR KID HAS TO EAT THIS GARBAGE MADE BY HUMONGOUS CORPORATIONS.

fucking dolts.
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Like others have already said... none of the dolts around here seem to be defending the idea of banning packed lunches. I totally agree that it's fucking ridiculous. But, what about your second story? Do you really think it's a good idea for schools to make soda available to kids? I guess what you see as a commie libtard attack on freedom, I see as common sense. Schools never should have been peddling that crap.
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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Nitegazer said:
So is this:
"25% of U.S. corporations with more than $250 million in assets or $50 million in sales paid no federal income taxes in 2005. Those companies totaled a combined $372 billion in sales for the largest foreign companies and $1.1 trillion in revenue for the biggest U.S. companies."

The point is, you're being played. The current conservative movement in the US is funded by the very wealthy (I'll provide links if you need them) for their agenda. They don't give a crap about you or anyone else who earns less than a couple million a year. They like to get populists all fired up about soda bans, Obama's birth certificate and silly symbolic stuff so they can keep most middle and working class Americans squabbling amongst ourselves while they widen their tax loopholes.
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Hahaha I’m the one being played because I think taxing corporations drives up the cost of their products.

Guess what I think Obama was born here. If a local municipality wants to remove sugary drinks from its property it has every right. As long as they don’t try to remove sugar from the local grocery store but they can serve whatever they want on their property. It’s up to the local community to reelect or elects someone else.

While people on the left scream about corporations not caring about people they never seem to realize government is the largest corporation in the country. I have no illusion that private industry cares about anything but my money. They make no efforts to hide their intentions. The same can’t be said for government.
 
canndo

canndo

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BudMcLovin said:
I don’t think businesses should have to pay taxes. At the end of the day it’s the customer of the business who actually pays the taxes. But how many of those are S Corps, sole proprietorships, or general partnerships? You do know they report income on their personal income taxes.

Hell this is right out of the article:

“But many of the companies the report found had paid no tax were likely small businesses that pay other taxes. Generally, many small firms, because they do not have shareholders, are able to shift corporate income to individual income”
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GE didn't pay any taxes, and your statement "At the end of the day it’s the customer of the business who actually pays the taxes" Is misleading. Of course consumers pay, but at the end of the day it is the company that manages to make the best product and pass the least amount of their expenses on that stays solvent.
 
Nitegazer

Nitegazer

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BudMcLovin said:
Hahaha I’m the one being played because I think taxing corporations drives up the cost of their products.

Guess what I think Obama was born here. If a local municipality wants to remove sugary drinks from its property it has every right. As long as they don’t try to remove sugar from the local grocery store but they can serve whatever they want on their property. It’s up to the local community to reelect or elects someone else.

While people on the left scream about corporations not caring about people they never seem to realize government is the largest corporation in the country. I have no illusion that private industry cares about anything but my money. They make no efforts to hide their intentions. The same can’t be said for government.
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It is certainly true that taxing corporations drives up the cost of products. I think the trouble is that business in this country is not a level playing field; it is very difficult for smaller, privately owned businesses to compete.

As for your big government issue: I agree 100%. Don't trust them. I am a strong believer in reserved powers. I think that we might disagree about who really runs government. I tend to believe government is mostly in the pocket of wealthy corporations, rather than low income citizens (and non-citizens). In some ways it doesn't matter; the system's busted. It seems like our institutions are failing us, and that we are falling off a cliff.
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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canndo said:
GE didn't pay any taxes, and your statement "At the end of the day it’s the customer of the business who actually pays the taxes" Is misleading. Of course consumers pay, but at the end of the day it is the company that manages to make the best product and pass the least amount of their expenses on that stays solvent.
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A company could not stay solvent without passing the cost of its taxes on to the consumer.

GE was able to use its vast resources (good tax lawyers) to take advantage of our tax code. Now is that GE’s fault or politicians?
 
canndo

canndo

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BudMcLovin said:
A company could not stay solvent without passing the cost of its taxes on to the consumer.

GE was able to use its vast resources (good tax lawyers) to take advantage of our tax code. Now is that GE’s fault or politicians?
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Of course they can. The company that manages to do so gains the edge in the marketplace by undercutting its competition. Taxes are not automaticaly charged to the customer, furthermore multinationals may well transfer the cost of their taxes to other customer bases.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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whether you like the food or not, it meets guidelines set by the FDA. I'm not stating corporations don't make the food, I don't even know why you keep mentioning that, as it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand....

How about manning up and keep the childish names to yourself? ;)

jeff f said:
wow, are you out to lunch. ho bud, i contract for the school. i know whats in the lunches. sometimes i even eat them. nutrition? hahaha yes right.

tell me this mr no nothing.....who makes the juice boxes? how about the "granola" bars? how about the pizza, tator tots, fake meatball sammiches? dude, you really should get in your kids school more often.

further, kids now get breakfast, lunch and dinner at school. using your logic all are kids should be pictures of health....especially the poor kids who eat mostly cafeteria food.

nice try tho, keep your head in the dirt....ostrich
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Serapis

Serapis

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I don't blame GE at all... in fact, 75% of their accountants are former IRS employees. Who would know the loop holes better? ;)

BudMcLovin said:
A company could not stay solvent without passing the cost of its taxes on to the consumer.

GE was able to use its vast resources (good tax lawyers) to take advantage of our tax code. Now is that GE’s fault or politicians?
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jeff f

jeff f

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Leothwyn said:
Like others have already said... none of the dolts around here seem to be defending the idea of banning packed lunches. I totally agree that it's fucking ridiculous. But, what about your second story? Do you really think it's a good idea for schools to make soda available to kids? I guess what you see as a commie libtard attack on freedom, I see as common sense. Schools never should have been peddling that crap.
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and thats another thread. thanks for pointing that out. i am just a little wrapped around the axel about the forbidding me from packing my daughters lunch, and then charging me $700 bucks a year taxes to put up with that shit....fucking sorry that it bothers me, but it does.

and then have a bunch of stoners tell me how its a good idea to FORBID me from packing my daughters lunch.

you be the judge

as for soda/sugar, the school i contract for doesnt allow students access. i think its a great idea. most products in the machines are already sugar free so the point is moot. didnt take govt to tell us how to feed our kids
 
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