More Liberal BS.

doobnVA said:

BENEVOLENT? LMAO!!!!! What America are you living in? Ever watch the evening news? It's far from a "benevolent" society we're living in.

Benevolent... ROLF!

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No, in general the United States is Benevolent, we have yet to fight a war (depending on how you count the Afghan War) of aggression. We have always waited calmly until our enemies attacked other nations.

Even including "Gulf War II" this hold true, as there was no peace treaty signed that officially ended Gulf War I, and thus GWII was just a continuation of that conflict.

We don't force our client states, err allies, to bow down and pay us tribute.

We don't fight pointless wars against our enemies, but instead use the fruits of our industriousness to economically defeat them, while their failed ideology leads them into collapse (USSR.)

We aren't mercantilist like the old European Empires.

Benevolent, we are, despite your opinion to the contrary.

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Ever watch the evening news?


Nope. What could I possibly learn from watching the evening "news"? Besides the fact that they, the actors in the show, are bought and paid for.

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Thought I would check out this out for the first time, good thread. And it is amazing that how much we differ in some threads I am in agreement with almost everything that ChChoda and TBT.

The market is much better at fighting wars than sending in our people to shoot it out. And we could make much better use of the people and money we employ as soldiers that would not put them in harms way. Imagine what good we could do with them here in our own country.

cbtwohundread said:

your apoligizing to there children,,,,,

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I owe them nothing. If you side with the fact we have to appologize to them for something we had no control over... I say lead by example and sell all that you have and give it to some poor black person.

If you can't do that... well you have not appologized enough. As they feel we owe them repreations for our forfathers misdeeds.

Funny how some blacks fallow the muslim religion... when it was in fact the muslim's who sold them to the english way back when.

I think there are a few people here who are mistaken about what the word "benevolent" means.

Perhaps 200 years ago one could apply that word to our nation, but not now. Not that all our citizens and gov't are bad, just most of them.

doobnVA said:

I think there are a few people here who are mistaken about what the word "benevolent" means.

Perhaps 200 years ago one could apply that word to our nation, but not now. Not that all our citizens and gov't are bad, just most of them.

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I think you are being irrational and failing to compare the United States to other nations that achieved its level of power.

As far as Global Super Powers go, we are benevolent.

Rome, Athens, Carthage, Persia, Babylon, Macedonia, Britain, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Germany. At the height of their power those nations were not benevolent, and were routinely engaged in conflicts with their neighbors and other nations.

Compare this to the United States, and the relative benevolency of the United States should be self-evident.

If you are referring to Gulf War II, there is no such thing, it is a continuation of Gulf War I, a conflict that was brought about by Iraq invading Kuwait, and was never officially ended with a peace treaty, but was halted with just a cease fire.

If you are referring to Afghanistan, then consider this parallel. If a person you owed nothing to killed your neighbor and then came to your house and asked you to stay there (and you let them) would you then refuse to hand them over the the police when you found out that they had killed your neighbor would you refuse to hand them over?

Or if maybe they just robbed your neighbor, would you refuse to hand them over to your neighbor so he could demand his property back (or turn the person over to the authorities)?

Afghanistan decided to hide behind the flimsy shield of hospitality instead of respecting the right of the United States not to have psychotics attack it. We then decided that Afghanistan was making itself complicit in Osama's acts and punished Afghanistan for its refusal to let us have Osama.

I believe that both conflicts we are involved in are justifiable.

Assuming of course that 9/11 is not an inside job...

If 9/11 is an inside job, then we are wrong about Afghanistan, but I have not seen a convincing argument that was not refuted to make me believe that 9/11 was an inside job.