Most stable fem seeds..?

Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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  1. Heres what i dug up.
    How do you get feminised seeds
    Introduction: During the 1960's and 1970's some cannabis breeders took
    to experimenting with Colchicine. Colchicine, a powerful mutagen for
    both man and beast, stops cell duplication, while the cellcore
    duplication continues the same. The end result is a doubling or more of
    the chromosome set. This treatment can be beneficial to cannabis
    because it enforces many properties such as higher production of thc and
    resistance to disease.What also resulted, when gender chromosomes
    doubled, is that male or female chromosomes appear manifold, called
    Hermaphrodites. What's the plant to become? It becomes all at once.
    The result is called feminized or effeminate seed.Genetically, a
    cannabis plant is more or less predisposed to become male or female.
    This is regulated by 2 chromosomes everyone knows as
    the X and Y chromosomes. A plant with 2 XX chromosomes becomes female.
    A plant with an X and Y turns into a male. Plants have hormones that
    regulate it's functioning, of which gender is one of those functions.
    The hormone balance is genetically determined, and partly influenced by
    environmental factors. An example is when plant roots get
    damaged. The roots will produce a substance that in turn slows down
    leaf growth. The result is male flowers. When discussing hormone balance
    you get FEMALE SEED: a female is a plant with XX or only female
    chromosomes.When you have a seed with just X chromosomes, you are
    certain this seed will grow into a plant that is genetically female.
    To achieve the XX only plant: a female plant is forced by a hormone
    called Gibberellic Acid to produce male flowers, the pollen created
    contains only X chromosomes, when you offer this pollen to another
    female plant you can be absolutely certain to get seeds which are
    100% XX. Once again this seed is called FEMALE SEED. Gibberellic Acid
    can be found in online. It takes years for an individual to achieve the
    proper plant hormone manipulation to get 100% female XX seed.
    Supplies therefore fluctuate and there are many different strains
    available worldwide.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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spek9 said:
WTF are you talking about?

"from what I hear." ...really?

Please advise how many fem seeds you've grown out, and the percent of the population that herm'd. I've grown over 100 fem seeds, and had three produce male qualities. I've also done long runs doing clone-only from fem WW plants, and I'm currently doing a grow where I'm flowering sixth generation clones from a Cotton Candy fem seed.

Put up evidence instead of spewing shit.

I prefer to use standard seeds (and create them), but I'm not against fem seeds, nor am I against making them using a "mutagen" (Colloidal Silver).

-spek
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Wow speck, your asshole is showing today man. I just posted the "evidence" you were freaking the fuck out about. I just saw your post after i posted it and im a little taken aback by your response. I just had a fem seed once again herm on me, its cut down in a black bag and im down a plant. Congrats on having one that didnt herm but almost all mine have. And spewing shit? I clearly stated this is what ive heard vs. This is my actual expirience with it. Im not a genetic reasearcher so the post i read on it was my, what ive heard, and the dead fucking plant is my actual hands on expirience. And for a loud mouthed asshole like you to suggest that real seed companies are spraying all their plants with colloidal silver is fucking rediculous. Thats for small time hacks like you. Im just trying to help out with real hands on knowledge and pass it on to new growers like i always do, you can go fuck yourself ya loudmouthed cunt.
 
Cobnobuler

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Alienwidow said:
Thats for small time hacks like you. Im just trying to help out with real hands on knowledge and pass it on to new growers like i always do, you can go fuck yourself ya loudmouthed cunt.
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Of course YOU'RE not the one being the asshole right...?
FYI there are lots of people running fem seeds with little to no issues all the time. If that isn't happening for you..............
 
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althor

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Alienwidow said:
I just had another fem seed herm TODAY. Clayton came over and i was like, "oh shit!, not again!" Northernlights blue. Dj shorts blueberry crossed with northernlights 5. Im going to spray switch on all my plants in a minute. Ill never buy another feminised seed for as long as i live. Thats a promise, those shitty fuckers have peckered two harvests in a row. Good thing its chronic but ive had enough of this crap.
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Yeah blueberry (thai) is not known for hermie traits... Oh wait Thai is most certainly known for hermie traits.

Explain why landrace sativas (regular seeds) are the most prone to hermie? If they are regular seeds they cant hermie right?
You are way off, and completely wrong.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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althor said:
Yeah blueberry (thai) is not known for hermie traits... Oh wait Thai is most certainly known for hermie traits.

Explain why landrace sativas (regular seeds) are the most prone to hermie? If they are regular seeds they cant hermie right?
You are way off, and completely wrong.
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When the hell did i say regular seeds cant hermi? I never said that. You just said that. So how am i completely wrong? Please explain.
 
BDOGKush

BDOGKush

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Alienwidow said:
When the hell did i say regular seeds cant hermi? I never said that. You just said that. So how am i completely wrong? Please explain.
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He's just pointing out that you're complaining about a femmed seed going hermi on you when it's a strain that is well known to have hermi issues, be it a regular seed or fem. The seed being fem isn't your issue, the strain your growing is the issue. It's a cross with a sensitive, hermi prone plant, DJ Shorts Blueberry.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Cobnobuler said:
Of course YOU'RE not the one being the asshole right...?
FYI there are lots of people running fem seeds with little to no issues all the time. If that isn't happening for you..............
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Oh no, i went straight asshole on my post. I put in a lot of work on riu trying to help guys out with the knowledge ive picked up over the years and that $%¥= flames me up for passing on shit that ive first hand expirienced and read up on and added to the conversation. Besides the fact that im down a plant and just spent 150 bucks on two gallons of switch so if that frickin herm spit any pollen maybe i can not get seeded out, besides the fact that theres a pile of its hermi sisters in there and probably twenty clones that are all going in the pile.
I said right in my first post and i was straight honest when i said it. This is what ive heard (read, aaand fucking reposted for everyone to read), and this is my first hand what ive expirienced, even after being told on countless occations to stay away from fem seeds i did it again.
So if you got a problem or anyone has a problem with my first hand knowledge, or my reposting shit i read about your feminised seeds then come at me bro. Im in a bad place right now and i dont mind tellin anyone where to go or how to get there right now.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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BDOGKush said:
He's just pointing out that you're complaining about a femmed seed going hermi on you when it's a strain that is well known to have hermi issues, be it a regular seed or fem. The seed being fem isn't your issue, the strain your growing is the issue. It's a cross with a sensitive, hermi prone plant, DJ Shorts Blueberry.
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No hes puting words in my mouth and trying to make me look like a liar. If he wants to flap his mouth then he should read my post and remember instead of making up his own shit and act like im outta line.
 
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althor

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Ok I apologize for putting words in your mouth,
but yes, the point is, you take a strain that is known to hermie and then blame it on it being Fem.
No, genetics are genetics, if you are using hermie prone genetics, you get hermie prone plants.
Fem seeds are no more likely, and in some of cases (landrace sativas) less likely to herm than regular seeds.
Go buy you a pack of Female Seeds C99 and come back here and tell us the results. I have yet to see a hermie, or anyone else post about a hermie. Genetics are what matter, not regular/fem.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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althor said:
Ok I apologize for putting words in your mouth,
but yes, the point is, you take a strain that is known to hermie and then blame it on it being Fem.
No, genetics are genetics, if you are using hermie prone genetics, you get hermie prone plants.
Fem seeds are no more likely, and in some of cases (landrace sativas) less likely to herm than regular seeds.
Go buy you a pack of Female Seeds C99 and come back here and tell us the results. I have yet to see a hermie, or anyone else post about a hermie. Genetics are what matter, not regular/fem.
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Thanks for the appology, i dont usually spout off about stuff i have no expirience with. Ive never grown cindy before but hey, it may be great feminised. Ill never know cause im done with fem seeds. The article i posted above matched with the death and destruction im dealing with is enough to steer me clear, also like i said earlier, ive been told to stay away from fems by guys growing a lot longer than me. Peace.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Observe & Report said:
That's because the read/hear the same type of FUD you pasted here, which is all over the web.
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The dude that told me to stay the hell away has been growing for twenty years, he doesnt do the internet thing, he laughs at me because i do. Hes just had too many disasters with them.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Shit now that i think about it there was a big disaster six months ago where a whole bunch of cherry pie clones from fem seeds all hermed in a whole bunch of gardens because the fem moms clones went to a whole bunch of different people. Bad deal there.
 
TubePot

TubePot

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Alienwidow said:
The dude that told me to stay the hell away has been growing for twenty years, he doesnt do the internet thing, he laughs at me because i do. Hes just had too many disasters with them.
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If he spent time on the net he would realize he's been wrong all this time. :razz:
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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TubePot said:
What does pull have to do with his ignorance on fem beans?
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The more i read the more im finding that feminising is risky. Especially if ones not carefull with the methods used to produce the fem beans.
Heres more ive dug up for you feminisers.

Colloidal Silver (CS)
This is the least expensive and most privacy conscious way to produce fem seed. CS has gotten a bad name because there is so much bad information spread around about its production and concentrations. It doesn't help that there are those who believe in drinking low concentration colloidal silver for good health and there is information mixed in about how to produce that low concentration food grade product. Follow the information here and you will consistently produce effective CS and know how to apply it to get consistent results.

Simply construct a generator using a 9-12v power supply (DC output, if it says AC then its no good) that can deliver at least 250ma (most wall wart type power supplies work, batteries are not recommended since their output varies over time). The supply will have a positive and negative lead, attach silver to each lead (contrary to Internet rumors, you aren't drinking this so cheap 925(92.5%) stirling silver is more than pure enough. You can expose the leads by clipping off the round plug at the end and splitting the wires, one will be positive and the other negative just like any old battery. Submerge both leads about 2-3 inches apart in a glass of distilled water (roughly 8oz). Let this run for 8-24hrs (until the liquid reads 12-15ppm) and when you return the liquid will be a purple or silver hue and there may be some precipitate on the bottom.

This liquid is called colloidal silver. It is nothing more or less than fine particles of silver suspended in water so it is a completely natural solution and is safe to handle without any special precautions. The silver inhibits female flowering hormones in cannabis and so the result is that male flowering hormone dominates and male flowers are produced.

To use the silver, spray on a plant or branch three days prior to switching the lights to 12/12 and continue spraying every three days until you see the first male flowers. Repeated applications after the first flowers appear may result in more male flowers and therefore more pollen. As the plant matures it will produce pollen that can be collected and used to pollinate any female flower (including flowers on the same plant).

Silver Thiosulfate (STS)
Silver Thiosulfate works on the same principle, application and results of CS, that is harder to make. It is more difficult to acquire, but it can be obtained directly from a chemical supply company. STS is not expensive or controlled.

Gibberellic Acid (GA3)
This is probably the most popular way to produce feminized seed, but at the same time the least effective. GA3 is a plant hormone that also causes the plant to stretch uncontrollably. It can be purchased readily in powdered form, a quick search reveals numerous sources on e-bay for as little as $15. Simply add to water to reach 100ppm concentration and spray the plant daily for 10 days during flowering and male flowers will be produced.
 
BDOGKush

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You seem to have a lot of issues with hermies, maybe it's not the seeds but the grower.

A clone that didn't hermi when it was flowered the first time, only hermied after being given to a bunch of people with different growing environments.
 
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max420thc

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if you have a closet grow, cool whatever, if you even have a slight potential of a hermi screwing up hundreds of plants in a garden why would you even take a chance?ive had a hermi before,,it was from a reg seed with no stress either,,thank god I caught it in time, then killed it and every clone off of it,
there are a lot of growers who hate fem seeds,,sub cool comes to mind, he tests the strains he sales for hermis,,if it hermis the whole strain dies and goes into the trash,
if you want or have to grow fem seeds go ahead, ive known a lot of growers who have had good luck with them,
I seen a study by high times , fem seeds against non fem seeds, serious seeds ak 47 ,the fem seeds took a week longer to finish from the test grow but other wise the same results,
id rather not take a chance on a accidental breeding project myself,,had it happen twice when I first started, never want to do that again,,whole crop of great hash though,
you all are breaking aliens balls for trying to give advice that is sound,,advice many experienced growers concur with,so when you tell the dude hes full of shit and he doesn't know what hes talking about , you are also saying sub cool, shanti and many of the old salts also do not know what they are talking about,
Cool if that's what you want to believe,I personally do not care what you all grow, fem seeds regs makes no difference to me,its your garden and the best of luck to everyone,
when I make a decision about everything I do not want someone to agree with my position at all,, I want someone to disagree with me, tell me why they disagree , I will process all the information and TRY to make the right decision based on that.,
if you have a small closet and almost everyone has a small closet , you can grow a mother in a small space with almost nothing,then cut clones off of it and have a good plant with good consistant results, all packs of seeds ive ever run, every plant in it will be different some of them come out way better than others,cloning the best will give you whole runs of great crops every time,
whats the big deal about males anyway?if you got one you can breed with it or if you want to or throw it away,there will be plenty of seeds in a pack that are females,
 
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althor

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I always have, and always will laugh about TGA and his stance on fem seeds.

Just do a quick google on TGA hermies and see how many hundreds upon hundreds of hermie reports come from his seeds.

I grow regulars and fems in every batch. I have had some fems that hermied and I have had some regs that hermie.
It is part of the nature of cannabis. Breeding that trait out isnt easy.
 
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