Mostly organic grow 1st journal

Should I use these things on my plants?

  • Triacontanol

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Lactobacillus

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • Chitosan

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • WTF are those?

    Votes: 5 83.3%
  • None of the first three choices

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6

BangPaf

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Hello there!

I decided to start a journal for my current grow. I think it may help for organization and discipline. It's also always fun to show out your stuff (when you don't fail miserably, of course...).

Feel free to drop in if you have something not too offensive to say!

The "mostly organic" part is because I use OMRI certified organic fertilizers. But then, I use a CaMg additive for the plants in coco. I also plan to test some tricks involving growth stimulants and a bit of salts on some plants. Nothing scientific, just a bit of madness to keep my motivation up.

Since this is my 1st journal, some things may lack. I'm no expert or large scale grower as you'll see. I usually have around 3-4 plants in my 4'x4' tent.

Here's a post from another thread here I wrote to introduce myself :
I'm new here but I've been an occasional grower for about four years. I mainly grow in the winter because my HID light also acts as a heater for my apartment. Because of pure luck, I never had any male or hermie plant, even if most of my grows were from bag seeds. I don't clone because of lack of space but mainly laziness. I'm currently running four plants, all from seeds again, in peat/perlite or coco/perlite:
- "White Widow" : Bag seed from what was supposedly some White Widow.
- "Some Kush" : Bag seed from what was supposedly some kind of Kush I didn't remember the exact name.
- LSD : My last Barney's Farm feminized LSD seed. This is the only current plant which I know should end up female.
- LSD "child": This one is a little special. The seed was from my 1st successful harvest and was the only seed I found in the plant. As I never had males, I'm not sure what happened. No matter, I'll bet on my luck and hope it turns out female and mostly normal.
The "White Widow" and the LSD were germinated around 2015-12-08, the "Kush" on the 2015-12-18 and the LSD child on the 2016-01-16.

I topped the three oldest plants on the 2016-01-18

I can't get my RH level over 40% despite having an humidifier and wet socks inside the tent. There are several reasons for this. I use a 600w MH for veg. My cheapo HID reflector has the lamp behind glass which generate tons of heat so I must increase air turnover in the tent to keep temps under control. The tent intake is right up the window that must remain slightly open when lights are on, even with the freezing temps outside. So when the outside cold air is sucked in the tent and reheated, its RH goes down. The fact that my apartment is really dry to start with doesn't help: My hygrometer reads 28% in my computer room as I write this. My skin is also really dry right now.

When I get things right, I get slightly cooler temps in the tent than in the rest of the apartment, around 24-25C with lights on. I must obviously close the window when lights goes off. I forgot to do this yesterday (2016-02-06) and temps dropped to 15C in the tent. I guess it's not the first time :dunce:

My seedlings often seem to suffer from dry conditions, with some leaf deformities on the first two sets. However, they always outgrow this problem with some time.

I know I should really change this reflector, just no money for this at the moment.

Here is a picture inside my tent taken on 2016-01-24 (from left to right: "WW", LSD, "Kush", seedling is the LSD child)Tent2016-01-24 - Copy.JPG

The LSD showing sex already (female, as expected):
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So two days after I took these pictures, I dropped the seedling pot and it fell on its head. It's in coco, which doesn't seem to cake as much as peat, so it created a huge mess. I had to dig in the pile to find the green part and the roots were loose. Fortunately, the stem wasn't damaged.

Things turned out ok for the child. It started growing again. Although with some anomalies... (you'll see in one of the next pics)

So the topping was successful on every plants and yielded the expected two new shoots.

I also begin to suspect the "White Widow" and the "Kush" to be of the same strain. They look quite similar in comparison to the LSD.

I did a supercrop/tie-down combo and some pruning on the LSD on 2016-02-04, aiming for six top colas. Same thing the day after on the "White Widow" and "Kush", but only aiming for four top colas as they are smaller and have 1-2 nodes less than the LSD. These two are not in coco, but in peat. Their container is also different from the LSD. Their diet also. :roll:

While tying down the "White Widow", I found 1 pistil. :hump:

Unfortunately, I didn't think of taking a pic. I took a pic of a leaf that I pruned from the LSD instead:
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Here is a picture inside my tent taken on 2016-02-07. I took the picture about 2.5 hours before lights off. Notice the LSD in the blue bucket looking sad: She always goes droopy 3-4hours before lights off. First time I have a plant doing this as much and so early. Perhaps from lack of experience lol. (from left to right: "WW", "Kush", LSD, seedling is the LSD child, seemingly vacant pots are hot pepper seedlings lol)
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Ok, I had a crazy Kratky-style experiment with catnip sprouts that almost worked. I say almost because I just saw what seemed to be a fully grown fungus gnat in on the surface of the peat (small black fly, omg). Yes, it was super damp in there. It also began to smell bad. So I dumped the whole thing. Unfortunately, this experiment was in my tent for two days.:( I just hope it was the first adult gnat to surface from there!

I've put some yellow sticky traps and I hope I won't see any bugs on them tomorrow!
 

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BangPaf

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I didn't find any bugs on the yellow traps... yet.

Things are going pretty well for now.

Here are pictures of my tent taken on 2016-02-08, as the LSD is about to sadden for the evening. (from left to right: "WW", "Kush", LSD, seedling is the LSD child)
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I'm about to light this up:
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BangPaf

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Why the choice organic?
There are a couples of reasons why I prefer organic fertilizers. It's really a personal choice for me and I don't believe it's necessarily the "best" way to grow plants.

I think organic fertilizers tend to be less damageable to plants when you overfeed. The nutrients are often not immediately available.

This brings me to the another reason: I decided to try out mycorrhizae. From my research, this relationship between plant and fungus is not special at all, it's the standard model in nature. Some theories even suggest that plants developed roots for fungi to attach to. This relationship is apparently favored when nutrients are not abundant and immediately available for plants ("organic"). According to researchers, this symbiotic relationship has several benefits like more efficient/selective nutrient uptake and disease resistance.

Another reason is that I don't have a hydro setup. I use peat and/or coco in pots, which is harder to keep as sterile as a reservoir. It encourages me to try out lactobacillus and other effective microorganisms inoculation ("organic"). I have a batch of lactobacillus brewing right now.

At the end, maybe it's just because I've tried the "sterile" way and I just want to try out the "organic" way. I also ended up with a springtail "infestation" with one of my "sterile" grows. I was initially freaking out but fortunately, it seems that springtails actually eat dead plant matter and are actually good for roots.

What makes a weed grow an oraganic one?
Well, that's an easy one for me. You weed will be organic if you get an "organic" certification by your local government. This will allow you to brand the word "organic" on your forehead, which is a huge bragging right today. I'm really not into ethics and politics when it comes to food or agriculture. I will use things that work even if they originate from either Nazi Germany, Al Qaeda or Israel. I suspect that organic certified food taste better not because they were organically grown, but because the organic farmers tend to put much more love and care into their products.

Cheers!
 

Zspy1985

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There are a couples of reasons why I prefer organic fertilizers. It's really a personal choice for me and I don't believe it's necessarily the "best" way to grow plants.

I think organic fertilizers tend to be less damageable to plants when you overfeed. The nutrients are often not immediately available.

This brings me to the another reason: I decided to try out mycorrhizae. From my research, this relationship between plant and fungus is not special at all, it's the standard model in nature. Some theories even suggest that plants developed roots for fungi to attach to. This relationship is apparently favored when nutrients are not abundant and immediately available for plants ("organic"). According to researchers, this symbiotic relationship has several benefits like more efficient/selective nutrient uptake and disease resistance.

Another reason is that I don't have a hydro setup. I use peat and/or coco in pots, which is harder to keep as sterile as a reservoir. It encourages me to try out lactobacillus and other effective microorganisms inoculation ("organic"). I have a batch of lactobacillus brewing right now.

At the end, maybe it's just because I've tried the "sterile" way and I just want to try out the "organic" way. I also ended up with a springtail "infestation" with one of my "sterile" grows. I was initially freaking out but fortunately, it seems that springtails actually eat dead plant matter and are actually good for roots.



Well, that's an easy one for me. You weed will be organic if you get an "organic" certification by your local government. This will allow you to brand the word "organic" on your forehead, which is a huge bragging right today. I'm really not into ethics and politics when it comes to food or agriculture. I will use things that work even if they originate from either Nazi Germany, Al Qaeda or Israel. I suspect that organic certified food taste better not because they were organically grown, but because the organic farmers tend to put much more love and care into their products.

Cheers!
I don't think I would want to mess with hydro ever after hearing that horror story...LOL I dunno I like the results but I think I'm just better at messing with soil. I would like to make my own super soil after a couple more grows under my belt :)

When I was looking at the photo with the J in it I didn't even see it at first ...I was busy looking at your computer screen and trying to figure out what the heck the temps and stuff was lol
 

BangPaf

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Yeah, I'd also like to try super soil eventually, but I'm not there yet. You need to get it right from the start, unless you're willing to dig out your plants to make adjustments.

When I was looking at the photo with the J in it I didn't even see it at first ...I was busy looking at your computer screen and trying to figure out what the heck the temps and stuff was lol
Lol, I tried to double brag: The computer screen shows the amount of overclocking and voltage applied to my Haswell CPU. :roll:
 

Zspy1985

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Yeah, I'd also like to try super soil eventually, but I'm not there yet. You need to get it right from the start, unless you're willing to dig out your plants to make adjustments.



Lol, I tried to double brag: The computer screen shows the amount of overclocking and voltage applied to my Haswell CPU. :roll:
I use to be a hard core computer user and built my own rigs but after getting my Toshiba Click 2 Pro with an i7 processor there isn't anything else in this world I would want. It's a mini powerhouse that I run anything I use ..even World of Warcrack at decent settings. I'm a console gamer now if I'm looking to game and even use a mouse and keyboard thanks to my XIM4.

What was rolled up? I currently got some GG#4 and Blue Dream that has been great these past few weeks. But I'm looking to get something that slows things down ...not have me up till 2 am reading.
 

BangPaf

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What was rolled up?
Wasn't my stuff, I bought it. It was apparently some kind of kush. I never remember the exact names of the kushes I get, so many namings. But it was really good, the way I like it: Fruity and citrus-like, no pine or gasoline flavor. I dislike pine flavored weed. It also burned so well in comparison to the new stuff I got yesterday.
 

BangPaf

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2016-02-10

Following up on the failed capnit experiment, still no bugs on the yellow traps. :cool:

The three bigger plants were getting way too bushy as a result of the supercrop/tie-down I did on them a week ago. I should have pruned much more shoots and leaves than I did. I think it stunted overall growth for a couples of days.

So on the 2016-02-10 I did a major round of pruning on them. I might have gone a bit far on the "White Widow". (from left to right: "WW", "Kush", LSD, seedling is the LSD child)
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The "Kush" has a leaf with holes in it. As if some bug munched on it. No sign of bugs and super localized so I like to think that it was caused by the stress from the supercrop/tie-down.
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Other pics of the "Kush" before and after the pruning: KushUnderBeforePruning2016-02-10.JPG KushTopBeforePruning2016-02-10b.JPG KushSideAfterPruning2016-02-10.JPG KushTopAfterPruning2016-02-10.JPG

The LSD, more advanced in its development, but still has much more purple than the two others: LSDsideAfterPruning2016-02-10.JPG

The LSD child seedling is sad today (because I watered it?). I'm sure it's going to be fine though. It grew seven bladed leaves on its third node so I must have done a few things right. ChildTop2016-02-10.JPG
 

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BangPaf

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2016-02-11

I didn't do anything today, except for watering my hot pepper seedlings, which I removed from the tent to put under a CFL. These things are so tiny.

Didn't take any pictures but everything looks less sad than yesterday. I'll take pics inside the tent tomorrow. On the other hand, here's another kind of pic:
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Zspy1985

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2016-02-11

I didn't do anything today, except for watering my hot pepper seedlings, which I removed from the tent to put under a CFL. These things are so tiny.

Didn't take any pictures but everything looks less sad than yesterday. I'll take pics inside the tent tomorrow. On the other hand, here's another kind of pic:
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Shrooms? Man I want to grow that next!! LOL
 

BangPaf

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Shrooms? Man I want to grow that next!! LOL
Well not shrooms, but I'd like to try this out also lol. It's actually a batch of lactobacillus brewing. I want to inoculate my plants with it. If everything works as planned, my cats (and myself) will get inoculated. It's about to be ready. The curd is really smooth and creamy, almost looks yummy... I know my cats will dig it. More information on this stuff in this video:

These bacteria are harmless to plants, beneficial for us (it's in our guts, vagina of ladies and yogurt) and apparently hostile to pathogenic bacteria and fungi. I just hope it won't mess too much with the mycorrhizae already established on my plants' roots. It will also make my grow more organic. :roll:
 
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BangPaf

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2016-02-12

I looked inside the tent. Forgot to take a pic again but nothing really changed. :eyesmoke:

2016-02-13

Ok, I had suspicions that the LSD child outgrew its container, but not that much:
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So I transplanted the young plant into its final container. The mix is Canna coco (brick), about 15-20% perlite, some dolomite lime and mycorrhizal products.
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BangPaf

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2016-02-14@2016-02-16

Nothing really interesting happened but the LSD child is appreciating the transplant. The supercrop/tie-down is working pretty well but I think they need a bit more fertilizer, especially the LSD. Its new growth is kind of pale.
(from left to right: LSD, "Kush", "WW", small plant is the LSDchild)
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I gave a 1:50 ratio of lactobacillus serum with the watering on my hot pepper seedlings. I fed my cats some of the curd from brewing the serum. I also tasted the curd myself since it was the freshest cheese odor I have ever smelled. Tastes like unsalted cream cheese with the same consistency, super fresh and at room temperature. Pretty unbelievable when the rice wash I used smelled like vomit.

The hot pepper seedlings are doing great, my cats are ok and I don't feel sick at all. So I'll use the serum on my cannabis plants.HotPepperSeedlings2016-02-14b.JPG
 

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BangPaf

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2016-02-18

The LSD was getting too bushy again, so I pruned again. I hate pruning, but it always ended up for the better. So the LSD is looking crappy again.
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I think the two others will also need some pruning soon again...

In an attempt to induce a bit of stretch, I raised the light about 15-20cm. It now hangs around 70cm over the forming canopy.

The small plant LSDchild is doing great and growing fast.
 

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BangPaf

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2016-02-19

As I watered the "Kush" and the "White Widow", I pruned a bit and made adjustments to the twines used for tying down the plants. The leaf with holes on the "Kush" that I photographed on the 2016-02-10 was removed and it was the only leaf on the whole plant to have this. Now, I'm pretty confident that it was caused by either the supercropping or some physical damage inflicted by me, not some bug fortunately.

I forgot to mention, but the last time I watered the LSD, I found some springtails in the run-off. Seems I can't grow without getting them. Well, I guess I shouldn't complain since everything I have found on them say they range from mostly harmless to beneficial for plants. Another thing with springtails is that even when you can observe a worrisome amount crawling up the pot side as you water the plant, they just won't crawl up the plant, ever. Probably because it means death to them. Yeah, some people are cursed with fungus gnats, spider mites and/or powdery mildew, so I'm good with my springtails.

(from left to right: LSD, "Kush", "WW", small plant is the LSDchild)Tent2016-02-19b.JPG
 

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BangPaf

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2016-02-20@2016-02-27

Omg I caught a flu that started in my back muscles and ended up in my stomach. On top of this, my computer got infected by a virus. That was an offsetting synchronicity for sure. And while this was happening, I won a draw for some seeds and a T-Shirt here on RIU, woohoo !
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Also, my plants are doing great and a nice, almost even canopy has formed. The "Kush" developed some pistils, making all three bigger plants females (or part female, at the least). I'm pretty sure the LSDchild will end up female because of its nature (see my first post).

I will (should...) switch the photoperiod for flowering within the next week, but I still don't know what do to with the LSDchild yet. It's still small, untrained and untopped.

(from left to right: LSD, "Kush", "WW", small plant is the LSDchild)
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BangPaf

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2016-02-28@2016-03-05

Ok, the plants in coco (LSD & LSDchild) were not going very well, with general droopyness and pale foliage. Some leaf tips on the LSD have a slight burn also. I got a major hint when I measured the run-off of the LSDchild. It was off the scale at 4000µS+ (2000ppm+@0.5conv). I really should have rinsed this Canna coco a bit before using it. Also, I should have allowed more run-off when watering I think. Live and learn I guess. BTW, I dropped the ppm measurement system in favor of EC. It's not convoluted with things like different conversion ratios, and TDS meters actually measure electrical conductivity in order to calculate the ppm.

So I did a small flush on the LSD today. The run-off went from 3300µS to 2100µS at ~pH6.6, which seems ok. Didn't do nothing to the LSDchild yet :roll:.

If everything goes well, I will switch the photoperiod to flowering by the end of next week. I'm just waiting for the LSD to get well, as the "Kush" and "White Widow" are doing incredible. The curious thing is that the LSD is the biggest plant with the largest stem, but the two others just look way more healthy at the moment.

Here is a pic the day before the small flush, the LSD doesn't seems as affected as the LSDchild (from left to right: LSD, "Kush", "WW", small plant is the LSDchild) :

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BangPaf

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2016-03-06@2016-03-07

The LSD plant is doing better now. The leaf tip burns did not progress, the foliage is now greener and the plant is beginning to look like its neighbors. I just did another small flush but with 2x more nutrients (1500EC@pH5.5) . The run-off still didn't go below pH6.6 but its EC ended at 1500, around the same as the feed. To clarify, my Hanna meter shows electrical conductivity by µS/cm and non-commercial info sources I found say that 1EC=1μS/cm --> 0.5ppm@0.5conv or 0.7ppm@0.7conv

So everything is mostly back on track and flowering photoperiod should be applied within a week from now.

Another thing is that the small plant LSDchild seemed to have fixed itself and is now much greener and healthier looking. Just compare the following pics with the tent pic from the last update a few days ago. I treated it with the same small flush as I did with the LSD anyway, both having suffered from similar "coco issues". I don't think I'll flower it yet. Since it's female (pistils) and seemingly pretty resistant lol, perhaps I'll keep it for cuttings. I still must solve this invasive purpling in coco though, the two plants in peat only have hints of purple. I added around 300EC worth of magnesium sulfate in today's flush-feeds in some mad hope that it will help with the purple. It certainly won't help with the "organic" part however.
LSDchild2016-03-07.JPG LSDchildTop2016-03-07.JPG LSDchildUnder2016-03-07.JPG
 
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