My 2 cents on profit for caregivers

bob harris

Well-Known Member
I disagree, the best growers will have a market, the hacks will fail, just like everything else.
Ok, I'll concede that the connoisseur growers will always have a market. But if it's totally legalized, there will be more quality growers as well. Their product will still have the highest value...but that value will still be lower that it is now.
 

Murfy

Well-Known Member
ok-

ho w bout this. lately i'm thinkin all crazy, and i don't care about my spelling much.

do you know beardo?
 

Sgt. Pepper

Member
Farmers are not afraid to discuss fair wages, and your crop isn't that finicky. You're simply avoiding accountability.

We are trying to talk about legitimizing medical cannabis. Every time one of you asks me a question, I answer. Every time I ask you a question you go right back to talking like a dealer.

Large scale grow are easier than closet grows. More total work, but much easier to control atmospheric conditions, lighting and plant spacing.

On a large scale grow, cost per oz of finished product comes down. Grow corn in your vegatable garden, then try an compete with price for your corn with a guy growing 1000 acres....you'll stop growing corn.

Seems you have the close minded bullshit...
I'm a little late into this and haven't read any further yet, but here it is. I haven't been around in a while and haven't read any of your other posts. With all due respect, you're naive at best. You don't know much about commodities and how the ALL markets are manipulated by a very few people; when the bulk of said market is controlled by a few key players. When the demand is low, farmers and companies literally destroy crops and goods as well as lower production in order to make a buck (yes it does work). What they don't do is just sell all they have at a cheap price and take a loss or break even (not a good business model). In this case where there isn't a few key people controlling the global market, the price is as good as it is ever going to be, you can take that to the bank. There are some great prices and there are some crappy prices, but the market is purely governed by the people and what the people will pay. Obviously someone who cost conscientious wouldn't spend $5 on a loaf of bread when they can get the exact same bread down the street for $2. With that being said; one won't find a better "market" for this commodity on this planet; Ever. In the future when govt's find a way to control the market; the poor (which includes me) will be worse off than we are now. Think taxes. Everyone shouts let's just legalize it & tax it, but most haven't a clue of what will happen when it is indeed "regulated". I'll bet 10 years after such a law is implemented people will be sorry they asked for it.
 

Sgt. Pepper

Member
Ridiculous statement.

Government makes no money from the enforcement of cannabis laws. Seizures don't come close to paying for the cost of enforcement. If cannabis were de criminalized no government jobs would be lost..actually, more would be created.
Ok; now I know you're naive. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but.... Gov'ts make money on the many facets of the drug war. Importation & sales, search & seizures, courts and penal systems, as well as shakedowns and payoffs. Oh and the big global bankers of this world who make trillions by laundering the money, who've paid big money to buy politicians to see that business isn't interrupted. And this drug war doesn't cost the gov'ts 1 red cent. It's all taxpayer money; it isn't their money. It's akin to wall street. They're gambling with someone elses money and when they win they keep the profits and when they lose they simply demand and take more.

The below may seem off topic to many of you but it ties in I assure you. It's about criminalizing big chunks of the population.

And if or when this Health Care bill gets going, you can bet your bottom dollar that anyone with any kind of criminal record who is "deemed" undesirable will be having their appendix taken out by someone who used to be a doctor in their own basement. America and the idea of pure democracy is the vehicle to a one world govt, wherein only the elite will have rights and the rest of us will beg for privileges. When a few rich morons can manipulate the apathetic masses into giving away their rights on the basis of fear, freedom will inevitably perish.
 

ismokealotofpot

New Member
Again you are correct somewhat. Cdb,"s are effective for mental disorders like anxiety, paranoia, post traumatic Stress...things whre a sedating effect is desired. Sedating, is generally considered the "stone"....Euphoric or motivational effects come for the thc family, consisting of thc, thcv and thca.

The combinations thc"s/cbd's are endless, and all have different effects, that treat different things. Trust me, when i say thc/thcv for Parkinson's...I've thoroughly researched Cannabis and Parkinson's..as I have Parkinson's. I've also been working with the same strain for 3 years..Playing with light intensities, spectrums (adding blue) and uvb lighting. I have my grows tested after growing changes, to monitor the effect of the change on the thc/cbd values of my grow.

Although I cant tell you my exact thcv content (cannalytic, the lab I can take things too, can only give "total thc" they can't break down thc/thcv) .i can tell youi that my "total" thc is currently 26.5%. (ya, i know..you all want to scream bullshit) but keep in mind that's TOTAL thc.

Guessing..a reasonable breakdown would be something like 18.5% thc, 7% thcv, and 1% thca...my cbd's have always been low. I grow as pure a sativa as you can get..landrace SE Asian seed stock. my "guess" on my thcv values, is based on the increase in total thc, after increasing light intensity, and adding uvb. First grow 3 years ago, my total thc was 18%. but cbd's were low due to the sativa Heritage, and the fact that I harvest at "clear to partly cloudy" so I'm "guessing' that the light inensity/uvb is raising/creating the thcv..which is raising "total " thc...Follow that?

But the real proof to me, is that it works better on MY symptoms..and I haven't developed 'strain immunity" to the effects.
I was going to post some thing that would help your symptoms if you could follow directions but you cant. I was going to post some thing for you to read but you don't like to read. I was going to be a caregiver and help the sick but your a jerk so ill let you keep twitching.
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
I was going to post some thing that would help your symptoms if you could follow directions but you cant. I was going to post some thing for you to read but you don't like to read. I was going to be a caregiver and help the sick but your a jerk so ill let you keep twitching.

Please do, if it applies to my condition, and make sense, I'd appreciate it.

When I rebut a post, I give an explanation for my rebuttal...if you still disagree, post something, directly related to Parkinson's that helps me. I can only rely on the sum of all information that I have read. No one has posted anything directly related to Parkinson's, that I have seen. Or at least if it was mentioning Parkinson's it was a partial view. Not a Combined unified conclusion. Lots of treat the symptom, not much treat the cause.

Again, Iv'e studied cannabis as it relates to Parkinson's treatment in depth. I've found articles, from respected sources that contradict, or have a different conclusion, then articles from another respected source.

I then sort out that info, best that I can, and form my opinion based on the available data.

So please, don't be upset that I can explain why I disagree with something. Show me something that changes my mind...it's how most people learn
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
I'm a little late into this and haven't read any further yet, but here it is. I haven't been around in a while and haven't read any of your other posts. With all due respect, you're naive at best. You don't know much about commodities and how the ALL markets are manipulated by a very few people; when the bulk of said market is controlled by a few key players. When the demand is low, farmers and companies literally destroy crops and goods as well as lower production in order to make a buck (yes it does work). What they don't do is just sell all they have at a cheap price and take a loss or break even (not a good business model). In this case where there isn't a few key people controlling the global market, the price is as good as it is ever going to be, you can take that to the bank. There are some great prices and there are some crappy prices, but the market is purely governed by the people and what the people will pay. Obviously someone who cost conscientious wouldn't spend $5 on a loaf of bread when they can get the exact same bread down the street for $2. With that being said; one won't find a better "market" for this commodity on this planet; Ever. In the future when govt's find a way to control the market; the poor (which includes me) will be worse off than we are now. Think taxes. Everyone shouts let's just legalize it & tax it, but most haven't a clue of what will happen when it is indeed "regulated". I'll bet 10 years after such a law is implemented people will be sorry they asked for it.
I'll reply to both your posts in this one.

Your first post.

I know a lot about commodities. I've worked for huge companies, at an executive level. I've ordered the destruction of goods, millions of dollars worth over my career.

But it wasn't done for the reasons that you describe.

A farmer, or a business exec, when faced with such a situation, have to make a simple decision (well, not that simple). How do I protect MY financial well being?

In the case of the Farmer, that may mean burn half the fields. If he has to invest his own money into maintaining the growth of that crop, then harvesting that crop, then transporting and storing that crop until it's sold. And if by doing that he cuts his own income, directly affecting the economic stability of his family, yes, he'll try and reduce his loss. He's not trying to drive up prices, as you say, he's minimizing the amount of his own money that he may lose.

In the case of a business, it's much the same. I've offered millions of dollars worth of goods for sale at far below cost. I've thrown away millions of dollars worth of goods, after posting "FREE IF YOU HAUL" ads. Ididn't do it because it would some how magically drive prices up and make more money. I did it because I was losing more money than storing the product was worth. I've sold millions of dollars worth of product below cost.
And took a huge loss doing it...some happy customers...but a huge loss for my company. Why would I do that? Quie simply, because the merchandise wasn't selling and storing it was costing more money than just getting rid of it at a loss, and using that warehouse space for new product, that sold, would be more profitable in the long run.

Your view is understandable, for someone looking to distrust big business and society. It's a great conspiracy theory. It would make a killer movie.
And there are certainly a few big obvious abuses to point to. The wall street mortgage bailout...BULLSHIT, that was the rich keeping the rich, rich.

But in the big picture, your assessment is inaccurate.

Your second post.....never mind...maybe later.
 

Sgt. Pepper

Member
I'll reply to both your posts in this one.

Your first post.

I know a lot about commodities. I've worked for huge companies, at an executive level. I've ordered the destruction of goods, millions of dollars worth over my career.

But it wasn't done for the reasons that you describe.

A farmer, or a business exec, when faced with such a situation, have to make a simple decision (well, not that simple). How do I protect MY financial well being?

In the case of the Farmer, that may mean burn half the fields. If he has to invest his own money into maintaining the growth of that crop, then harvesting that crop, then transporting and storing that crop until it's sold. And if by doing that he cuts his own income, directly affecting the economic stability of his family, yes, he'll try and reduce his loss. He's not trying to drive up prices, as you say, he's minimizing the amount of his own money that he may lose.

In the case of a business, it's much the same. I've offered millions of dollars worth of goods for sale at far below cost. I've thrown away millions of dollars worth of goods, after posting "FREE IF YOU HAUL" ads. Ididn't do it because it would some how magically drive prices up and make more money. I did it because I was losing more money than storing the product was worth. I've sold millions of dollars worth of product below cost.
And took a huge loss doing it...some happy customers...but a huge loss for my company. Why would I do that? Quie simply, because the merchandise wasn't selling and storing it was costing more money than just getting rid of it at a loss, and using that warehouse space for new product, that sold, would be more profitable in the long run.

Your view is understandable, for someone looking to distrust big business and society. It's a great conspiracy theory. It would make a killer movie.
And there are certainly a few big obvious abuses to point to. The wall street mortgage bailout...BULLSHIT, that was the rich keeping the rich, rich.

But in the big picture, your assessment is inaccurate.

Your second post.....never mind...maybe later.
Ok as far as "business" goes it would seem you do have a good understanding. If you you could point put where I'm wrong in the big picture I'd appreciate it. How could this particular market be better than it is? I see both sides of the price argument, and since I have a conscious, I'm fair. I don't like hearing people paying huge prices, but the fact of the matter is; people don't have to, they choose to; and it is because of that that I don't feel bad. As long as there isn't an actual crime taking place like bait & switch or another type of business nono it's caveat emptor. Americans pay exorbitant prices for pharmaceuticals (which I'm disgusted with); but in that market we have to because of govts. cozy relationship to big business. Now those companies who've been raping us for a generation say they are going to reduce or quit manufacturing cancer meds all-together because they can make better profits manufacturing something else. Yeah I have a big problem with big business. Big business throws ethics right out the window. Small business can't; it doesn't have the lobby and payoff capitol to stay in business, so it must conduct good business or close. I do distrust Big Business, especially globalized big business. Prices aren't coming down anywhere near as much as profits are going up. I totally believe you are or were in big business. In one breath you want accountability from a caregiver charging what some may deem a high price, and in the next you are ordering the destruction of goods that would cost your company profits. Legal sure, ethical hmmm. You say that you ordered the destruction of goods or commodities for other reasons than what I described. Would you say that what I described earlier; that is; companies destroy goods, layoff workers to produce less in order to drive profits up, is a rarity?

Wall street was just one miniscule example of big business screwing the little guy. And as far as the "movie"; it was already written and made into a movie (1984). And if we the people don't pay attention and alter the govt / big business relationship soon, that is where we (the whole globe) will be in the future.
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
I was going to post some thing that would help your symptoms if you could follow directions but you cant. I was going to post some thing for you to read but you don't like to read. I was going to be a caregiver and help the sick but your a jerk so ill let you keep twitching.
http://yourbrainonbliss.com/Blog/?tag=thcv

There..a little peace offering explaining thcv as it relates to Pakinson's. One of many good articles I could offer. I'd rather try and explain, things than just post articles...but hey...if you want to go the hard way.
 

Murfy

Well-Known Member
bravo-

sgt.

reposted for bob's viewing enjoyment.

I'm sorry to correct you, but you are wrong. In my case, I had 35 plants, and I am allowed 48 by our local law. The NTF swat pigs raided my home, and stole everything I had. I have heard of many personal growers with fewer plants than that being raided by these same pigs. There are 1 or 2 DEA shits with them, so they do whatever they want.

:mrgreen:
 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by rollitup
I'm sorry to correct you, but you are wrong. In my case, I had 35 plants, and I am allowed 48 by our local law. The NTF swat pigs raided my home, and stole everything I had. I have heard of many personal growers with fewer plants than that being raided by these same pigs. There are 1 or 2 DEA shits with them, so they do whatever they want.

Never saw this post.
Lots of questions.

What was the reason for the raid?
Where did they find you out of compliance?
Did they file charges?
Did they prosecute?

They must of had a warrant...what was the warrant for?

I'd need all that info to make any reasonable decision as to whose side to take. So would anyone else.
The view point of the one being raided, rarely tells the whole story. The one that got raided is pissed, understandably so, and tends to post only their side.

So if you'd like to answer the questions that I have asked, I be happy to give an opinion. But if I don't have the answers to those questions, I'd have to take the report with a grain of salt...

 

bob harris

Well-Known Member
Ok as far as "business" goes it would seem you do have a good understanding. If you you could point put where I'm wrong in the big picture I'd appreciate it. How could this particular market be better than it is? I see both sides of the price argument, and since I have a conscious, I'm fair. I don't like hearing people paying huge prices, but the fact of the matter is; people don't have to, they choose to; and it is because of that that I don't feel bad. As long as there isn't an actual crime taking place like bait & switch or another type of business nono it's caveat emptor. Americans pay exorbitant prices for pharmaceuticals (which I'm disgusted with); but in that market we have to because of govts. cozy relationship to big business. Now those companies who've been raping us for a generation say they are going to reduce or quit manufacturing cancer meds all-together because they can make better profits manufacturing something else. Yeah I have a big problem with big business. Big business throws ethics right out the window. Small business can't; it doesn't have the lobby and payoff capitol to stay in business, so it must conduct good business or close. I do distrust Big Business, especially globalized big business. Prices aren't coming down anywhere near as much as profits are going up. I totally believe you are or were in big business. In one breath you want accountability from a caregiver charging what some may deem a high price, and in the next you are ordering the destruction of goods that would cost your company profits. Legal sure, ethical hmmm. You say that you ordered the destruction of goods or commodities for other reasons than what I described. Would you say that what I described earlier; that is; companies destroy goods, layoff workers to produce less in order to drive profits up, is a rarity?

Wall street was just one miniscule example of big business screwing the little guy. And as far as the "movie"; it was already written and made into a movie (1984). And if we the people don't pay attention and alter the govt / big business relationship soon, that is where we (the whole globe) will be in the future.
Thanks. and as far as my big picture comment, I was reffering to the "big business" part of your statement..not the whole thing.
You views on what legalization would do match mine..and I agree that most people wanting to make a living in med cannabis have no idea how legalization would ruin that plan. Also your assessment for pricing I agree with...it's the best time ever. That could be very much true.

To finish "big business" Yes, I think you are overestimating the number of companies (and people) that screw us. The vast majority of companies in The US even huge ones..do business honorably.
The problem lies in the fact that the few who manipulate things and screw us, are MEGA HUGE. It's not that many % wise. Or people wise. It's the handful in MEGA HUGE business like Oil, Pharmaceutical, Cell phone,Insurance..and some others. But again, it's not the number, it's the power they wield due to size.
 

bodyshop54

Active Member
bob i was just looking through this forum which has exploded and would like to remind you that we are a seizure for profit state. let me explain how that works cause it seems like you dont understand. for example big daddys compassion center is raided a ton of meds are confiscated with 25,000 in the safe along with it. your local or state or federal agency walks out pressing no charges and keeping that money .........a few hours later they open back up ....... never ever ever to see anything seized aging.when they come to your house take all of your equipment destroy your plants and then take all your cash in the safe(sal agro) what do you call what they are doing with that money!
 
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