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Okay, so i'm abit worried about my seedling and i have a few concerns i want to share. I feel like 1/4 of the plant surface is way way darker than the other parts?
And in some places there are burns? Are thoose things "tip burns"?
I have uplaoded a few pictures if you find something wrong in them please tell me because i'm a newb ^^
Some infos:
Seedling age is unknown since i just threw some dank bagseed in my backyard and i saw that beauty growing a week ago and i transplanted it and put it on a window inside. 2 days later i had my 2 cfl seedling setup? :D 1 6400k 25w and 1 2700k? cfl with a small pc fan blowing directly into it, since i put it under the lights ive saw a decent grow but im always unsure if im doing everything right so i decided to ask you. :) So do you think im doing everything ok and im just being paranoid or there is a real problem.. btw everything is hooked up under 16/8 schedule if thats important.

btw: lights are going off in hour and something
 

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you need to start feeding it, start with half dose veg food but you can also use bloom food early in her (hopefully) life. Promotes healthy root development. You see how the tips of the leaves look burnt? They are not burnt but the plant is actually starting to feed on itself... good luck
 
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max316420 said:
you need to start feeding it, start with half dose veg food but you can also use bloom food early in her (hopefully) life. Promotes healthy root development. You see how the tips of the leaves look burnt? They are not burnt but the plant is actually starting to feed on itself... good luck
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Thanks alot, you mean i need nutrients? Those spots are caused because some kind of nutrient deficiency?
 
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yes, nitrogen............ Start with a veg food, something with a higher nitrogen content. Start with about half the rec dose and up it from the and after that follow the directions and you'll be good and growin...
 
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max316420 said:
yes, nitrogen............ Start with a veg food, something with a higher nitrogen content. Start with about half the rec dose and up it from the and after that follow the directions and you'll be good and growin...
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Actually the nutes part of growing is the hardest for me... or most expensive honestly because all i see are LINES of products that i need to use together in order to achieve some kind of result. So my last (i hope, sorry for bugging) question is: is there a decent all-round nutrient for a newbie grow like mine? I just plan on adding total of 300w cfl for 4 small plants so i don't feel like buying 4-5 bottles of something. Thanks again.
 
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do you have a grow store in your area? I would recommend using Fox Farm Grow Big for your veg food, I have used it for years and NEVER had a problem with it and it is a stand alone veg food..Great stuff
 
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He said it was out side, I think that earth from his yard. Being a new grower I wouldn't use flora nova anything just yet. If you over do it you can get toxic salt build up from it. I'd go with the fox farms grow big. As for half nute strength I'd personally start with 1/4th and go up from there.
 
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The Ruined said:
He said it was out side, I think that earth from his yard. Being a new grower I wouldn't use flora nova anything just yet. If you over do it you can get toxic salt build up from it. I'd go with the fox farms grow big. As for half nute strength I'd personally start with 1/4th and go up from there.
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it looks like it has a lot of clay in it I would put some perlight in it the plant looks almost over watered and it is probably not getting very much air in the roots.
 
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Yeah man, your problem isn't "adding nutrients." Soil contains everything your plant will need for quite some time.

That advice was really terrible. I'll have to remember that about Max316420.

You dirt is probably your issue. It looks like crap. Sticks and mud mostly.

If you want this plant to succeed you need to transplant her. You're going to need a quality organic potting soil and perlite. Mix them together 2 parts soil to 1 part perlite. When you remove the plant start by knocking the current soil away from the roots. Work slow, think "archaeologist" style. Once you get to the roots place that small amount of residual soil with the plants into your new potting mix.

Now give your plant another 5 days or so to recover before seeing any significant new growth.

The plant next to your seedling also has mold growing around the base of it. Remove that plant, and the mold, while you're at it.

I really need to make the point that suggesting to "add nutrients to that soil" as the solution was really, REALLY, poor advice. Nutrients are good, yes, but this plant is way too young and there are other obstacles for you to overcome before applying nutrients.

When you do get something I really suggest BioCanna BioVega and BioFlores. Each bottle is like $20 and will last you 8 to 12 plants easy. That's like $4 a plant in nutrients when it's all said and done... not bad at all.
 
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Snow Crash said:
Yeah man, your problem isn't "adding nutrients." Soil contains everything your plant will need for quite some time.

That advice was really terrible. I'll have to remember that about Max316420.

You dirt is probably your issue. It looks like crap. Sticks and mud mostly.

If you want this plant to succeed you need to transplant her. You're going to need a quality organic potting soil and perlite. Mix them together 2 parts soil to 1 part perlite. When you remove the plant start by knocking the current soil away from the roots. Work slow, think "archaeologist" style. Once you get to the roots place that small amount of residual soil with the plants into your new potting mix.

Now give your plant another 5 days or so to recover before seeing any significant new growth.

The plant next to your seedling also has mold growing around the base of it. Remove that plant, and the mold, while you're at it.

I really need to make the point that suggesting to "add nutrients to that soil" as the solution was really, REALLY, poor advice. Nutrients are good, yes, but this plant is way too young and there are other obstacles for you to overcome before applying nutrients.

When you do get something I really suggest BioCanna BioVega and BioFlores. Each bottle is like $20 and will last you 8 to 12 plants easy. That's like $4 a plant in nutrients when it's all said and done... not bad at all.
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Amazing, just amazing answer man! Thank you very very much! I took pictures again tho because im a paranoid pansy. Tomorrow i`ll go and buy some "quality" soil and perlite for now.
I think the plant is getting worse as we speak :((( sad but do you guys think its even worth the effort or should i start over, lesson lived - lesson learned. right
Edit: Can someone point me out the characteristics of a decent soil, because i just found few bags with different kinds of soil. They aren't old and anyways, i'm 90% sure i wont be able to find any of the fancy soil brands around here, so i`ll end up buying something that i am told its good. I think i made the simple question complicated so i`ll just shorten it up - What does a good soil feel/look/smell? like?
 

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If you have more seeds, then yeah, just start over with the good stuff.

If you need a mentor just send me a private message and I can help guide you in the right direction. I have 3 other people I am mentoring at the moment but I think I could at least get you going in the right direction.

So yeah, message me if you have more questions. Ask first, shoot later.
 
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Snow Crash said:
If you have more seeds, then yeah, just start over with the good stuff.

If you need a mentor just send me a private message and I can help guide you in the right direction. I have 3 other people I am mentoring at the moment but I think I could at least get you going in the right direction.

So yeah, message me if you have more questions. Ask first, shoot later.
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Thanks for the offer but i can't send PM yet. Anyways i have a question for you :) Can you tell me if the soil in the pictures looks good for growing + adding nutes later? First pic is soil bought from some local shop, airy light and clean is how i can describe it. The second one comes from my grand parents, its sticky, heavy and smelly. Do you think any of thoose two is suitable for growing, because my location limits me from the fancy stuff. I even had to order cfl's. Thanks in advance man.

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1st pic - village soil
2nd pic - bought soil
3rd pic - village soil nug lol
 

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Definitely the bought soil.

The idea with soil is this. When it's saturated it should hold form and clump together when you squeeze it. Once you let go it should easily crumble away though.

Think of wet coffee grinds. They kind hold their shape for a moment before falling apart. That is basically the ideal soil consistency.
The Village soil looks probably rich in humates (organic waste... bug poo) which could be a good thing as an amendment, but it might also carry unwanted bugs.
The other picture shows too much silt and mud in the soil. It probably has a high mineral content, but again, probably some things you don't want too.

The bought soil looks like it has a nice consistency, as you said "airy" I totally agree. It almost looks like coconut peat to be totally honest. If I were you, I'd mix that soil with some lava rock, or perlite, for the aeration. Indoor plants don't drain water quickly so you need to include some material that can help provide air to the root zone when the soil is saturated with water.

The lovely thing is that with the Internet you can get anything in the world delivered to your doorstep for the right price.
 
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Snow Crash said:
Definitely the bought soil.

The idea with soil is this. When it's saturated it should hold form and clump together when you squeeze it. Once you let go it should easily crumble away though.

Think of wet coffee grinds. They kind hold their shape for a moment before falling apart. That is basically the ideal soil consistency.
The Village soil looks probably rich in humates (organic waste... bug poo) which could be a good thing as an amendment, but it might also carry unwanted bugs.
The other picture shows too much silt and mud in the soil. It probably has a high mineral content, but again, probably some things you don't want too.

The bought soil looks like it has a nice consistency, as you said "airy" I totally agree. It almost looks like coconut peat to be totally honest. If I were you, I'd mix that soil with some lava rock, or perlite, for the aeration. Indoor plants don't drain water quickly so you need to include some material that can help provide air to the root zone when the soil is saturated with water.

The lovely thing is that with the Internet you can get anything in the world delivered to your doorstep for the right price.
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Snow Crash again." lol

I researched a bit last night, the bought soil seems to be peat moss. I researched a bit again and found out that 70% peat moss and 30% Perlite with some lime seems to be a decent soil mix, so that's probably what i'm going to do. What do you think? :) I would really love to spend half of my paycheck ordering a fancy soil but i just can't. Oh just a question - are standard shaped cfl's much worse than the spiral ones, because the same wattage from a spiral is 2x more expensive than a standard shaped cfl (at least here). Thanks again for helping me out with such clear and easy to understand answers!

Edit: I probably could get my hands on Bio-Grow/Fish-Mix/Bio-Bloom from the BioBizz series. Those things are fertilizers right? What NPK would i need in them?
I'm going to veg for a short period no longer than a month (cfl grow) so in theory would my plants get all that they need for that month then when i put them on 12/12 i start feeding with flowering fertilizer?
I'm confused.
Edit2: Is perlite used for construction good?
 
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