bob harris
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That's probably true. But I bet they weren't cash cropping.
My favorite things to hear when medical growers get busted...
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That's probably true. But I bet they weren't cash cropping.
sso
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sure, alot of "illegal" guys made this possible.
but i really doubt any of the guys that made real progress in indoor growing, actually got rich from it.
i think it was the hustlers and swindlers that got rich.
the scam artists, the snakeoil salesmen, not the real growers and inventors.
but i really doubt any of the guys that made real progress in indoor growing, actually got rich from it.
i think it was the hustlers and swindlers that got rich.
the scam artists, the snakeoil salesmen, not the real growers and inventors.
bob harris
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They also actually voted for the med law too!
95% of the caregivers in Michigan didn't vote, or actively campaign for medical mj. They just went and bought equipment, and got a card after the vote was passed.
bob harris
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No one is looking down at the people who got this law passed. it got passed by and for people seeking medical relief, and those who understood that passing medical would be a step in the right direction for decriminalization. They look down upon the people who are now acting like irresponsible profiteers trying to "make a living" by abusing the victory that was won.
bob harris
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Has nothing to do with 'grow hate'. It has to do with "lets take advantage of the med law to make huge profits" hate. The guys that refuse to be grateful that one small step towards decriminalization has been voted in, and choose to act in a manner sure to get that hard earned victory repealed.
The guys that revert to "it's illegal on a fed level anyhow" and F-U-C-K Y-O-U when they can't logically debate or justify their actions...those guys.
Those guys are generally the ones with 5 patients on their care giver card. And they are not growing to supply patients, or to make a reasonable living. they are " helping" patients only to amass plant count, so they can grow out massive amounts for profit.
I'm all for someone making reasonable profits from a med grow. REASONABLE being the key word.
Making 400 a month, and free meds for yourself, for an hours work per day...that may be reasonable.
Making 6k a month (MORE IF YA CAN ACTUALLY GROW WELL) for the same amount of work with more plants? THAT'S NOT REASONABLE.
Like you said, the guy digging ditches should be paid..and is. probably 10 bucks an hour. He works 40 hours a week, pays taxes, and earns every penny. The guy with 5 patients, maxing yield on his 60 plant count, giving his patients 1 oz per mo and racking in thousands of dollars a month he's probably not paying taxes on, isn't comparable.
A sixty plant grow may take 10 hours a week to maintain. 40 hours a month. How can you compare that effort to a "ditch digger"?
Cory and trevor
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I remember when a dime bag used to cost a dime.....LOL. You know how you can tell people who don't grow their own? Their posts make them look stupid. Bet you buy your pot and I bet you're not rich.thats a bit of a joke.
have you seen the prices for "pot" even in legal states?
good living growing a weed? Anyone Can do it
absolutely anyone that has enough desire to do it (and at least one functioning hand or whatever replaced it)
after having grown for a few years, i find it absolutely ridiculous, paying Anything at all for this plant lol.
just fucking ridiculous.
"hey, i got a roomfull of plants and i expect to make a good living on that" (which is what? fancy car and big house? bling bling?)
gram of weed actually going higher than the price of gold (something that has thoroughly made people nuts over the years)
fucking joke.
just a fucking joke.
i remember paying a grand a month for my medicine, and what then is the fucking difference between the snakeoil salesmen and dealers?
the dealers product actually works? yup, but its still sick people paying through the nose to feel better (sometimes weed saves lives, no joke)
hehee thankfully more and more people are growing their own, there should be no smoker buying unless they are rich lazy and stupid.
sure, paying people for taking risks, sure, no problem, but when we talking it being more or less legal and still people are paying extortion fees, well fuck that shit.
only morons pay that. thankfully more and more people are gaining wisdom and actually realising they are paying gold prices (something dug up at great expense and effort)
for something that grows like ditchweed on steroids with just a bit of love and attention.
heck you can grow enough weed for most average weekend smokers with a few cfls! lol
for fuck sakes..
Here, let me help you all out with some 5th grade economics: When a merchant sets his prces its based off a thing called demand. It's not based on what it cost him to produce but merely what he can get for his product. The market decides this price, not the manufacturer. When you're little heads get too large to pay for your pot it'll still comand what the market deems fair. When you throw hissy fits on a forum prices will be set by....the market. When you insult manufacturers and cuss us all for being greedy drug dealers (making you dirty drug users by the way; your terms not mine fellers) the market still set the price. I can bring a sac of the best dope in the world to market and f you all got full bongs I go home with a tiny profit or a bunch of useless product. On the flip side, no matter how I make it once I got grade AA dope, if you all got empty pipes I can get top dollar. so, there is the blueprint for your ultimate pot-world domination and a key to the destruction of the drug dealing hordes out to destroy your altrustic dream world of free drugs for all who fit your outline a sick person. I'm sure you and the only buy shell gas on tuesday e-mail group will have my life and livelihood destroyed shortly and I welcome it! once we kill all the growers we can get our free pot, right! HOOORAY!
stems&seeds
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It's called supply and demand. ^Is this guy the only one that has taken economics 101?
During prohibition alcohol was sold legally as a medicine too
During prohibition alcohol was sold legally as a medicine too
Filthy Phil
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I cant believe what I am hearing. Its ok for a person to make money growing weed, but not TOO MUCH. Its ok to grow federally illegal plants, but not TOO MANY. You guys want to be able to buy weed, do you really think we can grow you all enough at 6plants each and still keep the prices low enough to keep you guys from complaining about the price. Seriously, if you buy weed at a club, it didnt come from some guy with 6 plants in his closet. If you dont live in an MMJ state, all your bud is illegal (and probably coming from a grower with"TOO MANY" plants. You'll smoke it, you'll buy it from partially illegal growers, you will stand on the shoulders of giants spouting off growing info collected by people growing under illegal conditions, and then you'll talk shit about people who break the laws. You take a guiltless, holier-than-thou, judgemental attitude while you are the demand that fuels the supply. Here's what I see: a bunch of haters who deep down are jealous that their conditions are less favorable than others. It pisses them off that people make good money at an awesome job while they probably have a job they hate. They are jealous that some peop le get all the bud they want while others pay outrageous prices for crappy herb. You cant love the plant and vilify the people who grow it for you...two faced haters.
tomcatjones
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clearly you are using the word "usable" out of context in that comment. i could "use" all that trim to roll joints too, but i wouldn't be administering that to those in medical need. or anyone that would want to stay healthy.
2.5 ounces of usable material refers to the medication at hand.
you have 10 cookies? 1g a piece -mark your shit. 10gram of "usable material"
bob harris
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Your definition based on a 5th grade understanding of supply and demand is dead on. Too bad you didn't remember the college level courses.
CountGlochula
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his explaining and your complaining show's who has a better understanding of the buisness.
bob harris
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I'd love to see that, but virtually every care giver who posts in a medical forum, insists that they should be able to do what ever they want with plant counts (as long as they stay 12 per patient), be responsible to their patients only for minimal amounts of medicine( usually 1 oz per month), and be able to make what ever profit they can on the overages from some one Else's plants.(Read the law). The patient assigns his plants, not "gives". The care taker cultivates the patients plants for the patient, not as part of a "total harvest", with a minimal portion of that harvest going back to the patient.
That line of thought simply undermines any legitimacy of the medical law. Yet, they are the same people that claim they think cannabis should be legalized.
CountGlochula
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i sell to my patient's as much as they want for 3oz or a bill a 1/4
Buddy Ganga
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No fuck you, honestly if you ever go to jail for anything I do hope you get a sore throat from the first cock you suck.
Those types did what they could to help legitimize and then legalize medical cannabis. They broke laws so we wouldn't have to.
They didn't do it to be martyrs for meat puppets like you to make a living off of weed.
You are a service to no one other then yourself, which against everything the people you named stood for.
CountGlochula
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that's right where would be if jorge didn't give away all his book's and dvd's for FREE.
bob harris
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Count..that's a little proud of your work, isn't it?
Count..I'd love to see you plug your numbers into that scenario I posted..Or know your thoughts on if it's a reasonable profit for work scenario.Got Any thing? Care to share your opinions of what's a fair profit? Or do you need to revert to "no one should know, anything i want', like usual? It's all hypothetical,. can't hurt to put your vision of what you should earn up for discussion.
love to see Cory & Trevor' thoughts too..
Really, explain in a business like fashion, what you think a care giver should make, and why. help me understand.....please?
Count..I'd love to see you plug your numbers into that scenario I posted..Or know your thoughts on if it's a reasonable profit for work scenario.Got Any thing? Care to share your opinions of what's a fair profit? Or do you need to revert to "no one should know, anything i want', like usual? It's all hypothetical,. can't hurt to put your vision of what you should earn up for discussion.
love to see Cory & Trevor' thoughts too..
Really, explain in a business like fashion, what you think a care giver should make, and why. help me understand.....please?
bob harris
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I'm not complaining..I'm asking for a simple explanation of what constitutes a fair profit for work needed to grow cannabis. Not fair market value, need to compensated for risk...just production capability's allowed 60 plants, expenses to grow and what the profit should be. You know, to let the grower make a living commensurate with his labor, skill and knowledge. 50k, more? Less? Why is the job worth that amount? really simple things that anyone should be able to communicate.
It amazes me that none of you want to talk in terms of reality....pony up. let me understand. Share with me your knowledge of business and know how.
But please...if you can't do that, stop with the "whatever i want to do/ as much as I want/ down with the oppressive man" rhetoric....
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