ok guys, sorry about the lack of an update, iv been busy(just got a bank loan to pay off my debt) umm my stubby girl is showing quite a bit of improvement the past couple days, starting to get nice and green in areas again but she is still pretty burnt, my 12/12 from seed girl is doing great nice thick stem (hopefully to support a big main cola) nice shade of green too, the burnt one had a retarded color(which i now know was from over feeding), anyways thats my day 50post (a bunch of trichs are looking cloudy already on the stubby one)