My First DWC Grow w/ Short Rider from Nirvana

I now think it was the peroxide bath, may of been too strong. I bet with a little Misting with plain water, and no nutes for a few days that they bounee back healthy.

K so no nutes and misting with plain water..... Ok! You got it ! I will do just that, I will flush out the current water. Washout inside fill her back up with water ph 'd at 5.5 apx ( i am using the color chart basic ph test kit)

I fill the res. back up to 2inches apx below the net pot . Which is just shy of being 7 gallons total.

sounds like a good plan to me.

ok now when u say plain water do u mean ph d plain water or just plain water outta the tap? lol.. i had to clarify on that.

smartguy345 said:

ok now when u say plain water do u mean ph d plain water or just plain water outta the tap? lol.. i had to clarify on that.

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plain like NO nutes, but yes, pH balanced.

Day 23

No signs of plants getting better. They have already been flushed out and in only water ph balanced of course.

Water temps upon changin were apx 68 degrees f. Very ideal, after changing water was apx 72, still ideal temps.

I did not do any nutes at all, after spraying it with water, as roseman said to do.

I took pic of one of roots, as it was a brownish dark tan color. Here are pics of the plants as well, notice the light color... Man... this crazy...


Well guys I have been keeping you guys all up to post, and I have tried everything you guys thrown at me... what is going on here?....

Dont forget to check out my soil grow that I am growing along with DWC HERE CHECK OUT, COME TAKE A LOOK!

bump....seriously guys...any input would help thanks.

Well nothing is improving, and because these are autoflowers, I was thinking about putting one or two into soil, so that they can just growing again. I really hate to get poor results out of this run, however, I need them to get up and running before they flower... This is crazy..

So anyway can I take them out of DWC and put into soil without causing too much harm? I know it might stress them out but how much?

smartguy345 said:

bump....seriously guys...any input would help thanks.

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I read all your posts and here's my take on your grow. If I miss something, others can post it:

I think it's too late to save them and may be best if you just start over, but I leave that to you.. You have had problems from the beginning and I wouldnt expect much at this point.
PLEASE dont tell me all about your soil and hydro grows together. Just stick with hydro Q's on here when you seek help. It's confusing reading all that info in the same post.

1) WHY did you use H2O2 with the Fox Farm nutes? You can't use Epsom Salts either. Either one KILLS the beneficial organisiams in the ORGANIC Fox Farm ferts...that alone will kill your plants. You cant use stuff like that with organics. Personally I would change to an inorganic line. Also, Superthrive is NOT something to want to use right now. It won't correct the problems you've been having and you don't need the B vites it provides.

2) You really should FOLLOW the Fox Farn Nute chart for HYDRO. You can find it at: http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/feedingfox.html YOUR PLANTS HAVE BEEN STARVING...Using FF nutes, you absolutely need to check ppm & pH DAILY.
What I do is mix it to the FF feeding schedule for hydro, just as it shows in the chart. Then, I adjust it, using a ppm meter for the growth stage I'm in: New sprouts - 250ppm, Established seedlings - 400-600, Early flowering 600-800, Full flowering 1000 -1200, Final flowering 600-800. Just drain some out and add water until you get it right. The more you do it, the easier it gets.

3) Your temps are NOT okay.

WATER: 65d is the goal for tank water. If it gets into the high 70's, that can create lots of problems. The foil tape you wrapped around the unit hold in the heat and isnt good to use. Also, the foil tape on top creates "hot spots". Next grow, get a container like the rest of us use. It'll work much better.

AIR: Unless you're growing a straight Sativa strain, temps are better in the 75-85 range. At 90, they stop growing altogether. When vegging, 70's is good, especially for young seedlings.

4) No feeder tubes, you said. Your plants should have LOTS MORE ROOTS than they do. They need to get off to a good start. You might want to try it next grow. It makes a BIG difference.

5) Your pH is NOT good either. It should be between 5.5 & 6.5 with 5.8 being your goal. Dont try to keep it exact. Just let it wander in this range. Check it daily. The FF nutes drop my pH into the high 4's.

MJ is a weed and easy to grow, but takes some effort. Growing hydro is a learning curve and you'll pick up something everytime you log into the site. Before you start your next grow, put in some homework and read Rosemans & PurpDaddys short tutorial and just follow it. There is also a very helpful FAQ tab at the top of the page. Do all this and you'll have a great grow, start to finish.

Good luck

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Well nothing is improving, and because these are autoflowers, I was thinking about putting one or two into soil, so that they can just growing again. I really hate to get poor results out of this run, however, I need them to get up and running before they flower... This is crazy..

So anyway can I take them out of DWC and put into soil without causing too much harm? I know it might stress them out but how much?

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Putting them in soil when they are this sickly will kill them.

You just got better advice and more advice than I could offer.

The peroxide, the hot water, too small of roots to start them in DWC, pH was off............the additives...........

Yes I did that with peroxide, and then flushing them out... However what do I do next?

Temps are ideal now
PH is where should be at
No nutes


Should I go head and add nutes now? at 1/4 strength?

I dont want to come off being pushy or negative...I just want to find out if I was doing anything wrong and if so what I could do to fix it. All who have responded with different solutions I have done them all..

Now it could possibly be the genetics of the plant, or perhaps the nutes... maybe add some more or different nutes. Seeing how it is autoflower plant I still think i have about a week or two of using grow big before I started using the other nutes, unless you guys think otherwise.

After trying what roseman said to do, flush with straight water no nutes and spray water, I dont see it getting any worse. I find it weird how the top of the plant is very green but bottom kinda yellowing. I will include pics when lights are on to show the plants current status. I just dont want to make a mistake or do something that is too late and cause my plants to die.... there my babies.... and unlike some people I know I am not going to do a hoax and send any of babies off in the air in a flying saucer.. well at least pretend too... lol

OOPs I didnt catch chemistry message, I guess it never showed up on my alert, but I was just following what was recommended from people growing autoflowers to start at 1/4 nutes. AS for the foil on top and bottom, I was simply trying to prevent light from entering through it.

I could aadd more nutes see if that will help.. this is my first DWC grow, and learning thanks for your input ... I will continue to post pics and give update on plants. I am still using color chart for ph check when doing my ph balance.

Update, well I am not sure what they are called, perhaps fan leaves.. but the set of leaves on bottom of plant that stretches to grab light is the one tht is yellowing. all the new growth up top is lime green with NO signs of yellowing.. I added nutes to the solution today, as I gave it a couple of days as roseman said.

THe temps in my DWC are perfect.. They came out to 64 degreees. I think the reason why I had higher temps b4 is because lights were on as I was filling it up and causing it to warm up a little bit. Ph is also within its range. I will include pics once i get the camera back.

Read what HomeGrownHairy posted again.

It is doubtful they can be saved in a plain DWC. With Bubbkleponics system of feeder tubes, it would be highly likely.

I read it, I thought I was suppose to start off with 1/4 of nutes...

I will get me a water pump and accessories, hopefully can be found at a local petstore... I will give this a shot.

As for checking the ppm I need to do more research on that... I do not have any meters whatsoever...Anyone recommend a good budget meter under 100 bucks?

As for starting out purely with air stones, someone pm'd me saying that it would still do great with that, so I gave it a shot. Once again, I will do what you have posted me to do. As I dont want to be the asshole asking what to do, and not do what you guys are telling me.

I think the temps of water are great.. Its at 65 .. and yes I will need to check ph daily.. perhaps a meter would be great for this. I have no problem following ff farms nute schedule either. I just need to get the water pump and install that on.

Beware of advice from the Ostrich.

I guess lol, but thats why you guys are hear to peck at my head and tell me to wake the hell up lol... Anyways I plan on going to store to get pump... what about the meter... What do you guys recommend?

I did some research and the whole ec ppm thing is kinda confusion... I will do some more reading, its just trying to understand it all... Which is very important to get the most out of your grow, so I am going to take the time to research and learn best way of using one of those meters.

Ok i was looking at some meters and found this combo meter, Hanna HI 98129 pc ec tds waterproof combo.
What do you guys think of that one? I will be more then happy to dish out that money, to save and prevent future plants from going thru stress due to unbalanced levels. Plus this will allow more efficent way to test ph.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HANNA-HI-98129-pH-EC-TDS-Waterproof-Combo-Tester-Meter_W0QQitemZ270209329775QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ee9bb2a6f