my hunch is that tiger bloom is not needed until maybe cha ching time!!!!!

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

the schedule is def. wrong. i think when you shut the lights down to 1212 they get the growth spurt and you should still be on grow big and open ses for that. then grow big beastie bloom then finish with tiger bloom and chaching. is that about the way go with it? please dont say go by the schedule it is totally wrong with amounts and i think tiger bloom time too

Pipe Dream · Mar 20, 2010

IDK doesn't the tiger bloom still have a good amount of nitrogen? I'm using the Peace of mind and I believe it is the same NPK value as the tiger bloom and they look fine to me. I have been using the BB since they were young and the back of the bottle is completely different than their website feeding schedule.

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

Pipe Dream said:
IDK doesn't the tiger bloom still have a good amount of nitrogen? I'm using the Peace of mind and I believe it is the same NPK value as the tiger bloom and they look fine to me. I have been using the BB since they were young and the back of the bottle is completely different than their website feeding schedule.

no way less nitrogen that growth spurt in the first dark is gonna need the n of grow big... then beasty bloom has no nitrogen so im thinking still grow big and chaching has nitrogen at the end when they dont need much so im thinking hold off on tiger bloom until cha ching time at the end. i have growin down perfect until i try to switch to tiger then i go back to grow big and my grow is healthy again.

nickfury510 · Mar 20, 2010

yeah. your right the feed schedual has got to be wrong. those idiots over at foxfarm really have no idea how and when their products should be used, its just pure coincedence and luck they are one of the top selling nutrient lines out there. :wall:

while your hunch is just a hunch. the truth is that chaching, beastie blooms and open sesame are NOT NEEDED. the big bloom and tiger bloom are. the tiger, big bloom and grow big are essentials while the other three are simlpy overpriced additives. :bigjoint:

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

nickfury510 said:
yeah. your right the feed schedual has got to be wrong. those idiots over at foxfarm really have no idea how and when their products should be used.

either that or it isnt the exact "marijuana" schedule. have you tried 2 tsp of grow big on week 2 because i use light warrior dirt (0 nutes) and that is waaaay to much its a 1/4 tsp dose the schedule is off dude. any fox farmers know when the best time to tiger bloom? is it not until cha ching?

nickfury510 · Mar 20, 2010

bongslide said:
either that or it isnt the exact "marijuana" schedule. have you tried 2 tsp of grow big on week 2 because i use light warrior dirt (0 nutes) and that is waaaay to much its a 1/4 tsp dose the schedule is off dude. any fox farmers know when the best time to tiger bloom? is it not until cha ching?

yes i have done 2 tsp of growbig at week 2 in ocean forrest soil which is rich in goodies. follow the schedual and adjust over time as you learn the strain you are working with.

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

nickfury510 said:
yeah. your right the feed schedual has got to be wrong. those idiots over at foxfarm really have no idea how and when their products should be used, its just pure coincedence and luck they are one of the top selling nutrient lines out there. while your hunch is just a hunch. the truth is that chaching, beastie blooms and open sesame are NOT NEEDED. the big bloom and tiger bloom are. the tiger, big bloom and grow big are essentials while the other three are simlpy overpriced additives.

ok smart ass obviously fox farm is the shit everybody knows that. those additives have a ton thats not in grow big and tiger or bloom. how is 30$ overpriceed for a drum of power that will last probably 10-15 grows? anyway none of this was my question. whats the time and amount of tiger bloom to switch to for a smooth transition???? i find 2tps in a gallon on week 2 with ocean forest hard to believe 2 tsps of grow big is what i give my big girls not seedlings dude and im in light warrior!! :wall:

nickfury510 · Mar 20, 2010

bongslide said:
ok smart ass obviously fox farm is the shit everybody knows that. those additives have a ton thats not in grow big and tiger or bloom. how is 30$ overpriceed for a drum of power that will last probably 10-15 grows? anyway none of this was my question. whats the time and amount of tiger bloom to switch to for a smooth transition????[/QUOTE]

first off if you are so confident in their ability to mix up a DRUM OF POWER then why would you not give them enough credit to think they know how to use their own line.

second. follow the schedual. its there so new or inexperienced growers can have a fail safe routine.

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

first off if you are so confident in their ability to mix up a DRUM OF POWER then why would you not give them enough credit to think they know how to use their own line. :bigjoint:

second. follow the schedual. its there so new or inexperienced growers can have a fail safe routine.[/QUOTE]

first what the fuck are you talking about in the first sentence. i have faith in fox farms material obviously its the dose that needs to be customized.

second the schedule as it stands is wrong i have gone by my gut and had perfect grows. the first time i did the exact schedule total burn this time i also tried to stick to the schedule now that i have a few grow experiances and that amout of shit is a total burn dude. do not follow the amounts on the schedule. the time frame of it is even cool up until it says shut the lights off and use tiger This is a bad plan

im calling bs on 2tsp of grow big in week 2 in ocean forest. i have it under a six hundred they grow quick and that is way to much grow big plain and simple i hate people that just say to follow the schedule its so hard to get the heady recipe and tons of people use fox products

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

bongslide said:
first off if you are so confident in their ability to mix up a DRUM OF POWER then why would you not give them enough credit to think they know how to use their own line.

second. follow the schedual. its there so new or inexperienced growers can have a fail safe routine.

--first what the fuck are you talking about in the first sentence. i have faith in fox farms material obviously its the dose that needs to be customized.

second the schedule as it stands is wrong i have gone by my gut and had perfect grows. the first time i did the exact schedule total burn this time i also tried to stick to the schedule now that i have a few grow experiances and that amout of shit is a total burn dude. do not follow the amounts on the schedule. the time frame of it is even cool up until it says shut the lights off and use tiger This is a bad plan

im calling bs on 2tsp of grow big in week 2 in ocean forest. i have it under a six hundred they grow quick and that is way to much grow big plain and simple i hate people that just say to follow the schedule its so hard to get the heady recipe and tons of people use fox products[/QUOTE]

nickfury510 · Mar 20, 2010

bongslide said:
--first what the fuck are you talking about in the first sentence. i have faith in fox farms material obviously its the dose that needs to be customized.

second the schedule as it stands is wrong i have gone by my gut and had perfect grows. the first time i did the exact schedule total burn this time i also tried to stick to the schedule now that i have a few grow experiances and that amout of shit is a total burn dude. do not follow the amounts on the schedule. the time frame of it is even cool up until it says shut the lights off and use tiger This is a bad plan

im calling bs on 2tsp of grow big in week 2 in ocean forest. i have it under a six hundred they grow quick and that is way to much grow big plain and simple i hate people that just say to follow the schedule its so hard to get the heady recipe and tons of people use fox products

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these got feed 2tsp 2-3 weeks in

and i ended up with this following the schedual

see the nice vegatative growth

i dont tell lies buddy.

bongslide · Mar 20, 2010

thats it then u fed once in 2-3 weeks i like to feed every watering and ph my water jug so i know the ph is right every time. do you just dose them once and then just regular water them for a few weeks? do u ph the plain water u give them?

nickfury510 · Mar 20, 2010

i make sure everything i give them has a ph of 6.4-6.8 depending on what the plants are showing me. this is water and nutes. i start them in either ff ocean forest or black gold soil, both soils are rich in nitrogen and other essential micros to support their young growth. I give them nothing but pHd water until 2-3 weeks after planting them. thats when i start them on the grow big. I flip my lights at 3-4 weeks and then give big bloom, tiger bloom and open sesame at what the schedual says. i feed every other watering in the begining. by the middle of the grow im feeding with ff on the schedual every other and adding mollases to my straight waterings. i cut out all nutes about 6-6 1/2 weeks depending on strain and feed with nothing but water and mollases with an every other schedual making sure to ph everything that goes into the pots. if the strain can handle it i will at either open ses, beastie blooms or cha ching every watering, but ive found that not all strains can handle this. I will adjust levels to what the plant tells me.

Mr.GreenJeans · Oct 10, 2010

Well, apparently you hate to hear from people like me, but..................If you follow the schedule you shouldn't have issues.

I use the entire FF line-up and I grow strictly in FFOF cut with approximately 25% perlite. I also grow under a digital 600-watt MH/HPS. I have been following the schedule EXACTLY for almost 2 years now with fantastic results. Now DO NOT follow the instructions on the back of the bottles of additives (someone smoked WAY too much when they wrote those, lol), but download the recommended schedule.

Now remember though --- what works great for me and my main strain (Dinafem Power Kush) may or may not work so well for yours. BUT, the schedule has worked well for me with every strain I have grown -----however, you are correct in that you may have to tweak the quantities (but still stick to the schedule!). Some strains I've grown did best with a reduced concentration of nutes in the solution. If burning is the problem, reduce the Grow Big and/or Tiger Bloom to 1/4 the recommended dosage and then work your way up (if needed) from there. Run the BB at full recommended strength --- it's damned near impossible to burn ANYTHING with that one!!! I finally got tired of fucking with a lot of strains and settled on a particularly nice DFPK phenotype that consistently yields me 120g+ of dryed, manicured bud per plant indoors. It absolutely LOVES the FF nutes at full strength (absolutely NO signs of burning or over-feeding, right up to harvest!) so that is how I roll. But the schedule works just fine with ANY strain, just reduce the quantities by 50%-75% to start with and then CAREFULLY work your way up. And always remember --- less is better when in doubt.

Good luck, and good growing!!!!!!

my hunch is that tiger bloom is not needed until maybe cha ching time!!!!!

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