My pot isn't strong enough

JSB99

JSB99

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I've had my MedMar license for over a year now and smoke every day. I've only been smoking for as long as I've had my license, but I definitely have had my experience with stronger drugs. I go through about an oz a month. When I first started smoking I would get an incredible high, but then I got a tolerance (I'm sure no one else has experienced this :))

My original stash was just some generic stuff. Then I started growing using various seeds. I was hitting the ceiling pretty easily from what I was growing. My last grow I grew Northern Lights + Blueberry and shishkaberry. I though for sure these would get me much higher with a much higher ceiling but it was only marginally better.

I started researching different strains looking for something that would be strong enough to make me forget my name. I don't want to feel this way every time I smoke though. I would use my regular stash when smoking throughout the day, but when I wanted to get blasted at night I would dip into my "special" stash.

So, is this a lost cause or are there other strains out there that will get me incredibly baked even though I may have been smoking other less potent strains all day.

I smoke and use a vape. Sometimes it feels like the vape gets me higher and sometimes it's the opposite. To anyone reading this, what gets YOU higher, a vaporizer or smoking?

I've been looking into strains like Mazar, NYC Diesel, AK47, etc...Will any of these get me what I'm looking for? If not, any suggestions?

I've started to research making hash. Is hash a lot more potent than weed? Is it a big pain in the ass? I grow 4 plants at a time indoors (last batch yielded 8 oz). How much plant material is needed to make a decent amount of hash? Does it last as long as smoking weed?

I'm a little confused about "Chronic". I've seen seed banks sell "chronic" seeds, but I also read that chronic just means very strong pot. Which is more correct?

Are there any strains out there with an unlimited ceiling? If not, which would you say has the highest ceiling?

Thanks for all the comments.
 
alcoholic22

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Well, I don't necessarily know about strains that will get you more ripped than your first few sessions after a year of non-stop smoking, but I DO know that making some hash or honey oil is quite worth it. It depends on how much 'sugar' you have on your leaves, but you can yield a fair amount of good, highly concentrated marijuana confections from an ounce of sift / sugar leaf / shade leaves.

To me making hash is all about the process. It's really an awesome feeling to go from something that you wouldn't normally want to just stick in a pipe and smoke and turning it into a super potent, long-lasting smoke. It sounds like you grow quarterly, so I'd say if you took all of the stuff from your plants that isn't the high quality smoke you want to be incinerating in a pipe, for example the lower, less swollen buds on the plant, the shade leaves (ALL of them! why not use 'em all!) you could easily tide yourself over by adding a little "special" stuff to your stash. Plus, you can eat hash.

hash oil is a little more mysterious to me, but still a fun experience. I'd recommend trying this out at least once. the process isn't quite as visceral and intuitive as making hash, but the end product is so damn fine! plus, if you wanted to make budder. . . ROFL, just whip up your honey oil and smoke a little 0.1-0.2 gram flake and you'll be flying high, my man! with an ounce of some good plant matter, you could easily garner between 3-7 grams of super-dank budder.

either way, smoking hash/honey oil will get you where you want to be. just don't start smoking it every night and trying to 'hit the floor' all the time, because when your tolerance builds, the more you smoke the less gratifying the buzz becomes. you'll never feel like you did the first time you got really high, but you can come close!

I really like smoking hash/honey because you're not forced to light a whole bunch of stuff that won't get you any higher. a big bowl of hash can sometimes be better than a few joints of some sticky! not to mention a whole lot easier on the lungs!

anyways, chronic is kind of an ambiguous term. I call any dank little nuglets I have 'chronic.' I can't say I have ever smoked a strain of MJ grown from "chronic seeds." I've definitely smoked buds from "chronic" seeds, but not a strain designated "Chronic."

try some purple strains! I'd say grow a purple strain, don't buy any! when you see your purple little plant growing up and getting beautifully crystally, the smoke sessions you will have after it is cured (PROPERLY!) will just make you smile and take a little trip :)

sorry for the blah blah blah. kind of a long message.
 
JSB99

JSB99

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alcoholic22 said:
Well, I don't necessarily know about strains that will get you more ripped than your first few sessions after a year of non-stop smoking, but I DO know that making some hash or honey oil is quite worth it. It depends on how much 'sugar' you have on your leaves, but you can yield a fair amount of good, highly concentrated marijuana confections from an ounce of sift / sugar leaf / shade leaves.

To me making hash is all about the process. It's really an awesome feeling to go from something that you wouldn't normally want to just stick in a pipe and smoke and turning it into a super potent, long-lasting smoke. It sounds like you grow quarterly, so I'd say if you took all of the stuff from your plants that isn't the high quality smoke you want to be incinerating in a pipe, for example the lower, less swollen buds on the plant, the shade leaves (ALL of them! why not use 'em all!) you could easily tide yourself over by adding a little "special" stuff to your stash. Plus, you can eat hash.

hash oil is a little more mysterious to me, but still a fun experience. I'd recommend trying this out at least once. the process isn't quite as visceral and intuitive as making hash, but the end product is so damn fine! plus, if you wanted to make budder. . . ROFL, just whip up your honey oil and smoke a little 0.1-0.2 gram flake and you'll be flying high, my man! with an ounce of some good plant matter, you could easily garner between 3-7 grams of super-dank budder.

either way, smoking hash/honey oil will get you where you want to be. just don't start smoking it every night and trying to 'hit the floor' all the time, because when your tolerance builds, the more you smoke the less gratifying the buzz becomes. you'll never feel like you did the first time you got really high, but you can come close!

I really like smoking hash/honey because you're not forced to light a whole bunch of stuff that won't get you any higher. a big bowl of hash can sometimes be better than a few joints of some sticky! not to mention a whole lot easier on the lungs!

anyways, chronic is kind of an ambiguous term. I call any dank little nuglets I have 'chronic.' I can't say I have ever smoked a strain of MJ grown from "chronic seeds." I've definitely smoked buds from "chronic" seeds, but not a strain designated "Chronic."

try some purple strains! I'd say grow a purple strain, don't buy any! when you see your purple little plant growing up and getting beautifully crystally, the smoke sessions you will have after it is cured (PROPERLY!) will just make you smile and take a little trip :)

sorry for the blah blah blah. kind of a long message.
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Don't apologize for rambling. You've given me tons of great info. I've learned a lot over the past year and a half about pot and growing, but without years of being around it I hardly know anything about hash or hash oil. Any advice is welcome and the more detailed the descriptions the better. I'm a senior software engineer/database developer so I'm very detail oriented. I never thought I'd see the day where I could smoke a bowl, pop on my headphones, and be able to program for hours, but smoking actually helps me concentrate more. I have a little A.D.D. and anxiety, but the weed keeps it at bay.

You brought something up that makes me definitely want to try hash. That would be that you can smoke a little bit and it will last a long time. Right now I have to smoke or vape about once every couple hours to maintain a buzz and it gets a little harsh on the lungs. I'd much rather smoke once and have it last for many more hours.

I've read a few articles about making hash but it's usually on the larger scale. I've got about 8oz left from my last grow. I wouldn't mind taking half of that and making hash. But, is that enough to get a decent amount? If so, how would I go about making hash on a small scale? My buds are all cured and jarred. Can I still use them to make hash or do they have to be fresh off the plant?
 
ANC

ANC

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I think there are two scenarios, one is you are not curing correctly/long enough...
The other.. that you are very tolerant, in which case I would also suggest oil or BHO
 
JSB99

JSB99

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ANC said:
I think there are two scenarios, one is you are not curing correctly/long enough...
The other.. that you are very tolerant, in which case I would also suggest oil or BHO
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I would have to say that it's because I have a tolerance. Others who smoke my stash seem to get blown away.

I was just reading an article about oil. I think I'm going to try the The Boffo Butane-PVC Hash Oil Extractor technique here...

http://www.concept420.com/how_to_make_hashoil.htm#fast

What's "BHO"?

After I have extracted my hash oil, is there any technique I should use to store it or do I just keep it in a small jar with a lid at room temperature? Does the potency degrade over time? When I get ready to put some on my weed to smoke, do I just get some on the end of a paper clip and heat up the metal so that the oil drips onto the weed or is there a better way? I am absolutely new to this so any advice you can give would really help out a lot.

So, I'm going to take an oz of my supply and make oil. Because you don't have to use much oil, does that mean that the oil produced will last as long as smoking that oz? In other words, I go through an oz a month. Will I have enough to drip on the weed I'm going to smoke for a month or will that entire oz only produce enough for a few bowls? I'm just trying to see if I even have enough right now to justify going through the effort. If not then I'll probably double my grow so i can start making hash and hash oil (something I was going to do anyways when I built my new grow room).

I don't plan on using the oil every time I smoke, just once or twice a night when I really want to get baked.
 
ANC

ANC

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I bet you'd only be able to smoke it like once a night, that shit is so strong you can pass out from it.
I'd suggest in using something else than PVC... glass or stainless steel seems to be safe bets....
I was actualy thinking of using an empty lighter gas can to make one... you know, get it empty, knock in the nipple, cut the bottom off an inch or so from the bottom so it can be ducktaped back on after the weed gets put in the can. knock a few holes in the bottom, insert coffee filter stick bottom on and fasten with tape...
 
JSB99

JSB99

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ANC said:
I bet you'd only be able to smoke it like once a night, that shit is so strong you can pass out from it.
I'd suggest in using something else than PVC... glass or stainless steel seems to be safe bets....
I was actualy thinking of using an empty lighter gas can to make one... you know, get it empty, knock in the nipple, cut the bottom off an inch or so from the bottom so it can be ducktaped back on after the weed gets put in the can. knock a few holes in the bottom, insert coffee filter stick bottom on and fasten with tape...
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I have a diamond bit to drill glass (I make gravity bongs/pipes out of Captain Morgan bottles). Maybe I'll take a jar, drill a hole in the glass for the butane, and drill the drip holes in the lid. Then I can turn it upside down when extracting.

So, off of an oz and using just a little once a night, how long would you say it might last? Would you suggest the smallest drop possible for a bowl or just a regular drip or two? I'm sure I'll have a better idea after a few times, but I want to make sure I don't use too much the first time.
 
JSB99

JSB99

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ANC said:
of course you can also look at jus tmakeing straight oil useing acetone method....

http://www.packitdeep.com/hashish2.html

Here is a nice tek you can do with about 10g of mids

We all have diffirent tolerance... you will just have to find your own level.
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Quick question: It says that once it's dried you scrape it off the plate. Do you just smoke it dry then (sprinkle it on your weed), or do you add something to make it an oil again?

I just re-read the instructions. I guess it's like a thick oily substance.

Do all of the methods produce the same oil in the end or are there methods that extract more (or more pure) THC? This method looks like the easiest by far so I'll try that.
 
ANC

ANC

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I would say the acetone probably grabs a larger selection of canniboids.

Although its not specificaly mentioned, I would suggest you use dried acetone... you bake epsom salts in a dish sealed with some foil to keep oils in the oven condensing in there... at 200C for 2 hours, then turn the oven to max temp for another hour (its not quite as good as lab procedure that goes to 800C, but good enough), now pour a bunch of this stuff in the acetone and let it settle... keep acetone sealed and start with a fresh bottle, it takes up water form the air pretty fast. wet acetone is a bitch to dry.
 
JSB99

JSB99

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ANC said:
I would say the acetone probably grabs a larger selection of canniboids.

Although its not specificaly mentioned, I would suggest you use dried acetone... you bake epsom salts in a dish sealed with some foil to keep oils in the oven condensing in there... at 200C for 2 hours, then turn the oven to max temp for another hour (its not quite as good as lab procedure that goes to 800C, but good enough), now pour a bunch of this stuff in the acetone and let it settle... keep acetone sealed and start with a fresh bottle, it takes up water form the air pretty fast. wet acetone is a bitch to dry.
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Sounds like a lot of work. Will it dry with regular acetone if you let it sit long enough?
 
brainwarp

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It seems your problem is tolerance. The only way to reduce that is to smoke less. Take a few days off once in a while. You will likely get used to the stronger hash oil, etc. The more potent hash is just like smoking more pot.

Easy for me to say, I don't have to live with the pain or discomfort that you do. I guess you may need to choose between easing the pain, and enjoying getting high?

Also, those recipes for pre-cooking pot may be too high. Pot is vaporized at 196 C.
 
JSB99

JSB99

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brainwarp said:
It seems your problem is tolerance. The only way to reduce that is to smoke less. Take a few days off once in a while. You will likely get used to the stronger hash oil, etc. The more potent hash is just like smoking more pot.

Easy for me to say, I don't have to live with the pain or discomfort that you do. I guess you may need to choose between easing the pain, and enjoying getting high?

Also, those recipes for pre-cooking pot may be too high. Pot is vaporized at 196 C.
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Thanks. I was just warming up the oven. I'll lower the temps and let it bake longer.

I actually like having a tolerance. I'm a disabled vet with anxiety issues so I smoke pretty much all the time I'm not at work. I don't like getting really baked every time I smoke. I want to be able to smoke and function. The problem is at night when I want to actually get baked, I have to vape a whole bag to get a decent buzz. It's at that time that I need something stronger. So I'm making hash oil and hopefully melting some of that on my smoke will give me that extra kick I'm looking for.
 
ANC

ANC

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JSB99 said:
Sounds like a lot of work. Will it dry with regular acetone if you let it sit long enough?
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Yeah, but its realy not that hard to put some epsoms salt in a little ovensafe container with a lid or to make on e with a piece of foil and giving it a bit of a bake...

then just pour a load in your acetone bottle... it will settle in a clump at the bottom as it absorbs water out of solution.

If its nice and flakey when you shake it around after a few hours its pretty dry...
 
ANC

ANC

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had the opportunity to try the acetone stuff... I would say BHO is better...
If you do the acetone route try and evap it on some weed...
 
JSB99

JSB99

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ANC said:
had the opportunity to try the acetone stuff... I would say BHO is better...
If you do the acetone route try and evap it on some weed...
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Does BHO stand for Butane Hash Oil or something like that? I'm doing the acetone right now. I may try the butane method next.

So why is the BHO method better? Is it cleaner, more potent, faster, safer, etc...?
 
ANC

ANC

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Its BHO is just a nicer smoke in my opinion... potent as hell, and yes- butane hash oil. Also its faster than makeing the acetone oil, as that takes a few days.
 
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