My Third SCROG -- Questions

I will be attempting my third scrog. Here are the details:

Strain: Barney's Farm Critical Kush
Watts: 600w MH/HPS air-cooled
Tent: 4x4

I just finished growing 1x Pineapple Chunk in the tent and got a 7.1oz yield. My question is, if I were to grow 2 of the Critical K would I increase my yield or do you think I maximized my space with 1 plant? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

I think you should put 4 or more in there.

I scrog (or some form of it) almost all the time, in a 3x3.

I'd never think about having less than 9 plants. I pull closer to 2oz/girl sometimes more.

Shorter veg times, less tangle, and very potent nugs always support my decision in the end.

Isn't the rule of thumb in a scrog 1 plant per square foot? Do you have a pic of your setup?

MidnightJoker said:

Isn't the rule of thumb in a scrog 1 plant per square foot? Do you have a pic of your setup?

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i've also heard this rule. i too have a 4x4 tent and am about to start a scrog within the next few days. looking forward to any answers. i originally was going to go with 4 but am now thinking about doing 2 instead. i have 2x 400 watters.

lmao...rules... no offense good sirs, but fuck your rules

plants need as much room as you let them grow to take.

I would think 1 plant in your 4x4 tent is minimizing space. Please don't perceive me as being hasty, but how long are you veggin for anyways?

They really don't gain anything by letting them go for longer. I once just flowered a clone I had extra, on the wall next to all my giant massive plants. It was the best smoke of everything. Since then, I've grown big plants, small plants, blah blah blah. The small plants are always better. And since you can up the numbers a bit, you make up for/exceed what you would have yielded with less plants/longer veg. Yet it took you less time, and your opportunity for error was less - by having more plants.

Please, this is just my opinion. But i'm not alone. Give it a shot. It's easy if you have a small seperate mom and clone area aside from you tent.

and wait... please correct me as I'm blasted. isn't 1 plant/sqft in a 4x4 tent, 16 plants?

dubcoastOGs said:

lmao...rules... no offense good sirs, but fuck your rules

plants need as much room as you let them grow to take.

I would think 1 plant in your 4x4 tent is minimizing space. Please don't perceive me as being hasty, but how long are you veggin for anyways?

They really don't gain anything by letting them go for longer. I once just flowered a clone I had extra, on the wall next to all my giant massive plants. It was the best smoke of everything. Since then, I've grown big plants, small plants, blah blah blah. The small plants are always better. And since you can up the numbers a bit, you make up for/exceed what you would have yielded with less plants/longer veg. Yet it took you less time, and your opportunity for error was less - by having more plants.

Please, this is just my opinion. But i'm not alone. Give it a shot. It's easy if you have a small seperate mom and clone area aside from you tent.

and wait... please correct me as I'm blasted. isn't 1 plant/sqft in a 4x4 tent, 16 plants?

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Dis nigga noes... lol

Dub question for ya. So i got a 5x3 area closet. Ima need to probably do modular scrogs. 1'x3' screens or any way possible that can fit in a 5x3 or should i just do one big 5x3? 5 plants btw's. Vegging 6-8 weeks under 1000w super mh/super hps Critical +

On Topic. If i were you id go with 6-8 veg'd for like 4 weeks or do 4 larger plants Scrog w/Mainlining Training.

dubcoastOGs said:

lmao...rules... no offense good sirs, but fuck your rules

plants need as much room as you let them grow to take.

I would think 1 plant in your 4x4 tent is minimizing space. Please don't perceive me as being hasty, but how long are you veggin for anyways?

They really don't gain anything by letting them go for longer. I once just flowered a clone I had extra, on the wall next to all my giant massive plants. It was the best smoke of everything. Since then, I've grown big plants, small plants, blah blah blah. The small plants are always better. And since you can up the numbers a bit, you make up for/exceed what you would have yielded with less plants/longer veg. Yet it took you less time, and your opportunity for error was less - by having more plants.

Please, this is just my opinion. But i'm not alone. Give it a shot. It's easy if you have a small seperate mom and clone area aside from you tent.

and wait... please correct me as I'm blasted. isn't 1 plant/sqft in a 4x4 tent, 16 plants?

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Got a couple questions for ya

U dont see a increase in yeild when you let them veg longer?

More plants doesn't equal less problems it equals more opportunity for problems imo.

For mmj patients looking for the best way to utilize there production licence it would be in a long veg scrog setup hands down...




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It's all relative. More plants, shorter veg time, creates very large potent nugs, there's almost no trimming involved. Larger plants, tend to create lots of small buds. The plant material to bud ratio is greater with larger plants When most of those small buds, could really just be a smaller plant with big buds. Increasing your lumens will increase yield, not decreasing plant numbers and vegging for longer

I suppose you can look at it as though more plants equal more room for error. But look at it this way. You have one plant, your veggin for 6-8 weeks. Then flowering for 8 weeks. Let's say at the end of flowering week 4, your plant becomes sick. Start over. Now you've just been wasting time. But if you had 8 plants, 1 got sick, that sucks, but who cares - continue growing, smoking.

Were not talking SOG 100 plants here. In your 4x4, try 9 plants

For mmj patients looking for the best way to utilize there production licence it would be in a long veg scrog setup hands down...

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i disagree. Scrog maybe. But long veg...why? Why do you think longer veg is better? There's no science to support it. The less time you veg, the quicker you can get to flowering. We're going in circles now.

I can get two full scrog grows in, in the time it takes you to do one. And I'm yielding between 1 & 1.5 grams/watt each grow

Joker...
I've only tried scrogging a couple of times but...

I'd go by how full your canopy was in your previous grows. If it was a little sparse...add another plant or two.
Peace,
JD

MidnightJoker said:

Isn't the rule of thumb in a scrog 1 plant per square foot? Do you have a pic of your setup?

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This is 4 big plants in 5gl buckets in a 2'dx3'wx3'h cabinet space w 600w air cooled hps. You can fit things if you get creative.

dubcoastOGs said:

It's all relative. More plants, shorter veg time, creates very large potent nugs, there's almost no trimming involved. Larger plants, tend to create lots of small buds. The plant material to bud ratio is greater with larger plants When most of those small buds, could really just be a smaller plant with big buds. Increasing your lumens will increase yield, not decreasing plant numbers and vegging for longer

I suppose you can look at it as though more plants equal more room for error. But look at it this way. You have one plant, your veggin for 6-8 weeks. Then flowering for 8 weeks. Let's say at the end of flowering week 4, your plant becomes sick. Start over. Now you've just been wasting time. But if you had 8 plants, 1 got sick, that sucks, but who cares - continue growing, smoking.

Were not talking SOG 100 plants here. In your 4x4, try 9 plants



i disagree. Scrog maybe. But long veg...why? Why do you think longer veg is better? There's no science to support it. The less time you veg, the quicker you can get to flowering. We're going in circles now.

I can get two full scrog grows in, in the time it takes you to do one. And I'm yielding between 1 & 1.5 grams/watt each grow

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You are yielding 1.5g/w per grow??

I have a few questions then:

1. How far off your medium is your trellis?

2. What size holes are your trellis openings?

3. How many times are you topping?

If anyone else would like to chime in on the subject I would welcome your input.

Thanks to all

well it really depends on the strain, But yes, i've pulled 1.5g/w. Some guys pull closer to 2g/w. It's typically around 1g/w though. However, All the nugs are full on Fatty nugs, They're very dank, and I spent almost no time trimming. There's no stupid bullshit tiny little popcorn nugs.

I make my own trellis using pvc pipe and hemp string. I wouldn't go tighter than 3"x3 squares. Again, it really depends on the strain, but usually the net sits about 1' from the top of my medium, maybe less. I set everything up on a drip system, with a resevoir. I basically just give the resevoir daily doses, and have left for a week with the drip on a timer. Watering by hand is nonsense, and people usually flood their soil too fast. A good slow saturation works swimmingly.

I don't really top my plants. Sometimes I'll FIM them, just to help manage lankiness, But some people obviously have great success just topping.

I think the best smoke I've ever grown we're 20 cali-o clones, vegged for 1 week, then flowered. They grew to be about 1.5' from the top of the soil. all Fatty nugs. Came out around 1oz/plant - With a 400watt. They. were. amazing! I didn't scrog those. But sometimes, will just use the net as a guide to direct things where I want them, and give them something to lean against later, when they're heavier. Never really had a problem with plants stretching though. Keep temps low, light close, and utilize the secondary bounced light - like a tent does.

Goodluck man, I hope you give it a shot.

MidnightJoker said:

I will be attempting my third scrog. Here are the details:

Strain: Barney's Farm Critical Kush
Watts: 600w MH/HPS air-cooled
Tent: 4x4

I just finished growing 1x Pineapple Chunk in the tent and got a 7.1oz yield. My question is, if I were to grow 2 of the Critical K would I increase my yield or do you think I maximized my space with 1 plant? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

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howdy joker. not a bad yield for one plant. in my 4' 7" square tent, 600 watt, I grow 12 at a time and pull from 12 to 17 oz depending on the genetics. I've put more in there but 12 is my legal limit. i'm a more is better kind of guy. how big a pot did you put that one plant in?

fatboyOGOF said:

howdy joker. not a bad yield for one plant. in my 4' 7" square tent, 600 watt, I grow 12 at a time and pull from 12 to 17 oz depending on the genetics. I've put more in there but 12 is my legal limit. i'm a more is better kind of guy. how big a pot did you put that one plant in?

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It was Barney's Farm Pineapple Chunk in a 5gal. pot vegged for 5 weeks.

More plants will help fill the screen faster but some of us are limited to four plants in flower. My last grow in a 2.5sqft cabinet with a 120W LED yielded just over 4oz (dry). This was two plants in the same bucket. Really a hassle since one grew faster than the other even though they were cloned from the same mom. I'm a couple weeks from pulling the next batch (different strain) and expecting about the same yield but with only one plant. Veg time is ~four weeks.

If I'm pulling 4oz from 2.5sqft, it seems like 20+oz would be possible from 16sqft. I've thought about expanding my current setup to a 4x4 tent with 4 buckets but current yields (~3oz/mo) are good enough. SomeGuy's setup looks pretty sweet and definitely gets my DIY itchin'.

Thanks! You wont regret putting time into a nice diy cabinet. . This round i will probably end up with 7oz total. It will only get better from here as i didnt even fill up my cabinet completely.