My thoery for big fat females !
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DaveTheNewbie
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yeah im trying to fine tune a vert system. the theory is clean, im just trying to fit a 600w in a 900mm x 900mm 4 pot system. not much room really.
Jester88
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hows it going bro.heya Esra / Jester, long time no see!
mate from what i understand H2o2 is a big nono with coco
coco, and most good coco ferts are full of organic goodies. Fulvic (which i love) is also organic. H2o2 will kill or ruin all that goodness.
i personally dont like canna brand nutes, too much N in flower, but thats just opinion.
if your gonna use silica (and i love that too) make sure you use budlink not silica magik or any other cheap nasty concentrated form, it leeches the chemicals in the ferts.
i used a combined fulvic/humic acid additive, but i love organic stuff
and ignore That Sh1t, he is a tool that will ride your nuts for a while then dissapear
i believe i should note that coco ferts are normally the best for growing in coco the reason for this to do with chelation and the fact that the coco actually binds some nutrients to itself namely resulting in excess ca and shit like that. coco products are designed to minimiize this stupid rection and allow for the plants to uptke most of the nutes etc and not get salt buildups. and yes organic is best imho too
though you can use other ferts its just not advised for reaseons w have just stated.
yes its a good cleaning aget and it can be used in plants.Hey Dave , Howz ya been ? Been awhile !
Sounds like you going great guns, glad to here !
H2o2 will only be used to "clean up the system" ONLY when or if I see signs of sickness... which is rare
Eza
ffs you can turn phosphoric acid into phos fert if you really wanted too lol. the only real problem is ph and what not.
the hydrogen peroxide can do great things though it can also do terrible things
mwahahaha
eza82
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Good Luck !
Thanx for "clean" comment, you meant the theory ?
I agree Jez!the hydrogen peroxide can do great things though it can also do terrible things
It can do some ebil shit to your plant really quick ! Dont use unless you understand WHAT it is, let alone the HOW`s
DaveTheNewbie
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i have read your threads thouroughly a year ago, as you know.
can you give a really simple recipie breakdown of where you source the NAA and GA3, when you use it, and how much.
for example "i use lafemme in weeks 3-7 of flowering at 1ml/L in the feed res" or whatever it is
i already use a product called SuperBud by DM, which is so chock of goodness its crazy. use it for 4 days (days 10-13 of flowering) hand watered at 2.5ml/L
it must have some serious PGRs cause it stops growth dead in its track.
eza82
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GA3 water soluble tablets i use once (break the tablet in half to create about 200ppm in a 80ltr tank [once]) I use at first sign of flower set (usually around 2wk of flower) & in combination with Rock Juice and other "heavy" in Auxin & cytokinins type hormones ie; NAA,IBA, IAA like Plant Starter or rooting powders. Differing cytokinin:auxin ratios change the nature of organogenesis. If kinetin is high and auxin low, shoots are formed; if kinetin is low and auxin high, roots are formed.
What Im after is Lateral bud development, which is retarded by auxin, and promoted by cytokinins. Cytokinins also delay the senescence of leaves and promote the expansion of cotyledons.
"GAA increases the thickness and internodal length of the stock which is an UNWANTED ATTRIBUTE most of the time. The terminal nodes are weak, branching is suppressed, and the roots develop poorly also."
At the time I use GA3, I also introduce i suppose "confusing hormones" such as the Auxin and Cytokins at higher levels. This way I am inducing a BONSAI effect. This essentially stops my plants form getting much bigger, and concentrate on development of the flower set that exists, strength of stem, further development of the root zone & Lateral growth.
Plant Starter from Multicorp from BUNNINGS - is a liquid form of IAA, and NAA. And the only two active ingredients.
So this is needed at that 2-3 wk stage (also) to stop the GA3 from stretching.
This goes into tank at around the same of 50ml in 80ltr tank at WEEK 2or 3 into flower. But also used in minute portions such as 5ml to 80 ltrs during veg, along with superthrive which im sure you know is a B1 Thiamine only half dozen times over veg period.
LAFEMME - is a rip, though it is NAA. it has no other "special" things in it, go with a $4 bottle of Plant starter. (unless you folia often then stick witha more pure format)
THIS ALL HAPPENS APPROX week 2 or 3 of flowering. At this time the PK 13-14 gose in aswell & a single dose of concentrated fish emulsion such as charlie carp or Seasol, which has also p[roven to increase the Cytokinins & kinetin levels . (BUT STINKS INDOORS for me, but ladies luv it)
I have tried many many many many methods and different things with these NATURAL COMPOUND and HORMONES. I have ruined alot of plants and found ALOT NOT to work for MY needs. ( I WANT FAT ROCKS )
Everyones SYSTEMS are different !!! environmental factors plays a big part also (ie; carbon, H2o, etc) As well as what MEDIUM is being used as a buffer.
These types of methods WOULD NOT WORK in soilless enviro', IMFAO should only be used if you have a buffer ie; soil or or semi buffer such as coco . Other wise you will get unwanted results !(and SHOULD NOT be used unless the rest of your system is dialed in)
EZA
What Im after is Lateral bud development, which is retarded by auxin, and promoted by cytokinins. Cytokinins also delay the senescence of leaves and promote the expansion of cotyledons.
"GAA increases the thickness and internodal length of the stock which is an UNWANTED ATTRIBUTE most of the time. The terminal nodes are weak, branching is suppressed, and the roots develop poorly also."
At the time I use GA3, I also introduce i suppose "confusing hormones" such as the Auxin and Cytokins at higher levels. This way I am inducing a BONSAI effect. This essentially stops my plants form getting much bigger, and concentrate on development of the flower set that exists, strength of stem, further development of the root zone & Lateral growth.
Plant Starter from Multicorp from BUNNINGS - is a liquid form of IAA, and NAA. And the only two active ingredients.
So this is needed at that 2-3 wk stage (also) to stop the GA3 from stretching.
This goes into tank at around the same of 50ml in 80ltr tank at WEEK 2or 3 into flower. But also used in minute portions such as 5ml to 80 ltrs during veg, along with superthrive which im sure you know is a B1 Thiamine only half dozen times over veg period.
LAFEMME - is a rip, though it is NAA. it has no other "special" things in it, go with a $4 bottle of Plant starter. (unless you folia often then stick witha more pure format)
THIS ALL HAPPENS APPROX week 2 or 3 of flowering. At this time the PK 13-14 gose in aswell
& a single dose of concentrated fish emulsion such as charlie carp or Seasol, which has also p[roven to increase the Cytokinins & kinetin levels . (BUT STINKS INDOORS for me, but ladies luv it)I have tried many many many many methods and different things with these NATURAL COMPOUND and HORMONES. I have ruined alot of plants and found ALOT NOT to work for MY needs. ( I WANT FAT ROCKS )
Everyones SYSTEMS are different !!! environmental factors plays a big part also (ie; carbon, H2o, etc) As well as what MEDIUM is being used as a buffer.
These types of methods WOULD NOT WORK in soilless enviro', IMFAO should only be used if you have a buffer ie; soil or or semi buffer such as coco . Other wise you will get unwanted results !(and SHOULD NOT be used unless the rest of your system is dialed in)
EZA
eza82
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You see where this has happened above, notice there is no "what I call TRACKING buds " - Usually this strain produce LONG buds that stretch from node to node like most do, and in most of the crux of each node. As you can see above it was " altered" to produce toward the end of the stem and develop the existing flower set at the time of introduction , and NO further development of NEW bud or flower sets. JUST fattening of the oldhere is a better shot of one the one earlier... FRESH
its as hard as rocks
Lemon Skunk:
ILL get a better picture asap.
DaveTheNewbie
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GA3 water soluble tablets i use once (break the tablet in half to create about 200ppm in a 80ltr tank [once]) I use at first sign of flower set (usually around 2wk of flower) & in combination with Rock Juice and other "heavy" in Auxin & cytokinins type hormones ie; NAA,IBA, IAA like Plant Starter or rooting powders. Differing cytokinin:auxin ratios change the nature of organogenesis. If kinetin is high and auxin low, shoots are formed; if kinetin is low and auxin high, roots are formed.
What Im after is Lateral bud development, which is retarded by auxin, and promoted by cytokinins. Cytokinins also delay the senescence of leaves and promote the expansion of cotyledons.
"GAA increases the thickness and internodal length of the stock which is an UNWANTED ATTRIBUTE most of the time. The terminal nodes are weak, branching is suppressed, and the roots develop poorly also."
At the time I use GA3, I also introduce i suppose "confusing hormones" such as the Auxin and Cytokins at higher levels. This way I am inducing a BONSAI effect. This essentially stops my plants form getting much bigger, and concentrate on development of the flower set that exists, strength of stem, further development of the root zone & Lateral growth.
Plant Starter from Multicorp from BUNNINGS - is a liquid form of IAA, and NAA. And the only two active ingredients.
So this is needed at that 2-3 wk stage (also) to stop the GA3 from stretching.
This goes into tank at around the same of 50ml in 80ltr tank at WEEK 2or 3 into flower. But also used in minute portions such as 5ml to 80 ltrs during veg, along with superthrive which im sure you know is a B1 Thiamine only half dozen times over veg period.
LAFEMME - is a rip, though it is NAA. it has no other "special" things in it, go with a $4 bottle of Plant starter. (unless you folia often then stick witha more pure format)
THIS ALL HAPPENS APPROX week 2 or 3 of flowering. At this time the PK 13-14 gose in aswell
I have tried many many many many methods and different things with these NATURAL COMPOUND and HORMONES. I have ruined alot of plants and found ALOT NOT to work for MY needs. ( I WANT FAT ROCKS )
Everyones SYSTEMS are different !!! environmental factors plays a big part also (ie; carbon, H2o, etc) As well as what MEDIUM is being used as a buffer.
These types of methods WOULD NOT WORK in soilless enviro', IMFAO should only be used if you have a buffer ie; soil or or semi buffer such as coco . Other wise you will get unwanted results !(and SHOULD NOT be used unless the rest of your system is dialed in)
EZA
ok so im digesting all of that. bear with me.
at point X (when flowers show, around week 2-3) you add 5 things:
- GA3 water soluble tablets
- Rock Juice
- Plant starter
- PK1314
- fish emulsion
i use the PK1314 much later (week 5 or so).
i love fish emulsion but only use it outside, im thinking of using it indoors for all veg as its a really nice veg ratio.
im after more info about your GA3 water sol tabs (where do you get them from, what are they called).
im guessing rock juice could be replaced with hulk or budmeister or whatever.
seasol isnt a fish emulsion, its a seaweed root stim, but its awesome, and seasol make a fish emulsion called powerfeed.
in veg you add a bit of superthrive and plant starter too.
i would love to see your 8-9 week feeding schedule as to what you put in each week exactally. ill PM you mine if your interested.
personally i dont need to see any more photos from you, people who do are just simple. i want to hear exactally how you have dialed in all the theory of a year ago into a working system
DaveTheNewbie
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as an aside i just found that seasol makes a GA3 product :
http://www.commercial.seasol.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15:earthcare-liquid-ga&catid=1&Itemid=3
makes me wonder what i could do with just a the seasol range
http://www.commercial.seasol.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15:earthcare-liquid-ga&catid=1&Itemid=3
makes me wonder what i could do with just a the seasol range
eza82
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Hey mate, yer right, Power feed is the fishy and thats the one I meant. (i use both alot outdoors, they smell almost the same )
As I bought my tablets about a yr ago now, and bought bulk.
they are like these LINK , but mine were 79.9% or something. Also from ebay.
I luv Seasol, they do have some great stuff for out door gardens.
)As I bought my tablets about a yr ago now, and bought bulk.
they are like these LINK , but mine were 79.9% or something. Also from ebay.
I luv Seasol, they do have some great stuff for out door gardens.
DaveTheNewbie
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dont mean to derail your thread, i know you grow outdoors and im indoors.
im wondering now, with a coco hydro indoor grow :
what if you just use seasol and fish emulsion (seasol powerfeed) and nothing else?
its organic and would be a mighty veg formula.
would it cut it in flower or would you end up short?
im starting to think that i use way too many additives that cost and dont really help. I read in some thread by uncleBen about his philosophy and his results, and ive read more about superbud uturn etc.
if someone has tried this post to let me know, if not i might try it.
and back on topic : can you still elighten me more on your feeding schedule?
im wondering now, with a coco hydro indoor grow :
what if you just use seasol and fish emulsion (seasol powerfeed) and nothing else?
its organic and would be a mighty veg formula.
would it cut it in flower or would you end up short?
im starting to think that i use way too many additives that cost and dont really help. I read in some thread by uncleBen about his philosophy and his results, and ive read more about superbud uturn etc.
if someone has tried this post to let me know, if not i might try it.
and back on topic : can you still elighten me more on your feeding schedule?
DaveTheNewbie
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seasol, powerfeed, molasses, superthrive. that SHOULD do it for veg. now i gotta work out a flower boost.??
Both champ.Monday.
IMO, just seasol, probably wont have the micro nutrients and elements needed.
But less is best so I would be interested to see how YOU go.... lol
eza
eza82
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imfao, you are going to have issues.
You have the N- P -K, the carbs, and the vitamins, I am still concerned with your trace elements.
IMO it will be lacking in levels of Zn, Cg, Mg, for cannabis especially in coco.
But i think things like Fe, Cu, B, Mo are where you are going to find issues.
This may not have profound affect, but will in short....... stunt growth.
lol, & its going to smell It stinks enough and for long enough with the small amount I use !!
You have the N- P -K, the carbs, and the vitamins, I am still concerned with your trace elements.
IMO it will be lacking in levels of Zn, Cg, Mg, for cannabis especially in coco.
But i think things like Fe, Cu, B, Mo are where you are going to find issues.
This may not have profound affect, but will in short....... stunt growth.
lol, & its going to smell
It stinks enough and for long enough with the small amount I use !!