Mycorrhizae products with no carriers? In coco

Can anyone recommenced a 'fair priced' product that isn't 99% clay? Orca, Recharge, Bigfoot, etc. ? Been using Mykos but it's mostly carrier. Looks like their WP might be pure.

And while I am on the subject; can beneficials like bacteria and fungi take hold in a sterile coco environment?
I only really use it(mycoriz) to plant rooted clones in cups of coco.
Thanks!

I've been using Big Foot Concentrate for about a year now.

Flatrate said:

I've been using Big Foot Concentrate for about a year now.

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Do you have a link? Wanna make sure I'm looking at the same stuff. Thx

This is where I get it from, I think you can get it off Amazon too.

https://oregonsconstantgardener.com/collections/organic-liquid-nutrients/products/big-foot-mycorrhizae-concentrate

Here is a short video with the guy from Big Foot, just forget about the NFTG stuff.

NeWcS said:

Can anyone recommenced a 'fair priced' product that isn't 99% clay? Orca, Recharge, Bigfoot, etc. ? Been using Mykos but it's mostly carrier. Looks like their WP might be pure.

And while I am on the subject; can beneficials like bacteria and fungi take hold in a sterile coco environment?
I only really use it(mycoriz) to plant rooted clones in cups of coco.
Thanks!

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The bacteria need the carrier to survive with no root zone to latch onto. The key with Myco is they will populate heavily given a nice root zone to chill in so having the carrier is pretty essential. Once inoculated the plant root zone should thrive along with a myco bloom.

as far as keeping the bacteria rolling. No you can’t run a sterile Rez or too much bleach or peroxide. It kills the bacteria. Also too high of phosphorus fert will choke them out. They can totally be used in coco or really any grow medium where there are roots and proper environments.

Thanks for all the info. I'll check it.

Flatrate said:

just forget about the NFTG stuff.

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Oh man, am I going to have to buy 5 bags of it to get 1 complete product. lol jk NFTG

Great video BTW!

GrowRijt said:

The bacteria need the carrier to survive with no root zone to latch onto. The key with Myco is they will populate heavily given a nice root zone to chill in so having the carrier is pretty essential. Once inoculated the plant root zone should thrive along with a myco bloom.

as far as keeping the bacteria rolling. No you can’t run a sterile Rez or too much bleach or peroxide. It kills the bacteria. Also too high of phosphorus fert will choke them out. They can totally be used in coco or really any grow medium where there are roots and proper environments.

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Sorry, I should have put forth a better reply as you supplied some good info.

I wasn't aware that the clay was needed, but that makes sense. Do products like Great White use a carrier? I always thought it was a pure water soluble powder. I'd guess you wouldn't wanna put the clay in any sort of reservoir. Thats where Orca would come in I assume.

And I wanna take back what I said. I shouldn't have used the term 'sterile'. I should have said mineral based. I miss use the term all the time. When I say sterile I am thinking 'all salts with NO organics'.

I am mostly interested in making a myco root dunk for clones and smaller transplants. Thats why I was trying to avoid the clay.
Thanks again for the info!!

NeWcS said:

Sorry, I should have put forth a better reply as you supplied some good info.

I wasn't aware that the clay was needed, but that makes sense. Do products like Great White use a carrier? I always thought it was a pure water soluble powder. I'd guess you wouldn't wanna put the clay in any sort of reservoir. Thats where Orca would come in I assume.

And I wanna take back what I said. I shouldn't have used the term 'sterile'. I should have said mineral based. I miss use the term all the time. When I say sterile I am thinking 'all salts with NO organics'.

I am mostly interested in making a myco root dunk for clones and smaller transplants. Thats why I was trying to avoid the clay.
Thanks again for the info!!

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This is going to come across as "out there". I use the white/yellow fungus scraped from under the bark of decomposing White Oaks to amend my soils. I also steep the bark I removed in room temp water for 48 hours and stain off through mesh screen to water my cuttings. Studies have found a link between oak bark and root production. Amazing for rescue orchids and clones. I'm as natural and frugal as I can learn to be with success. Please research before judging. Big world out here. Peace and organics.

Looking forward to hearing others favorite.
I've had amazing results with the company "Root Naturally".
They are a small family business with 4 types of Mycorrhizae in their product. I've compared the concentration amount to others and they had the highest concentration behind Great White. Root Naturally is very cheap on amazon. You can choose the granule (preferred) but also have a finer powder.

I sometimes use the Age Old Mycorrhizae, don't get on the foliage though. A little goes a long way.

"A water-soluble Endo/Ecto mycorrhizae inoculant combined with sea kelp extracts and humic acid."

NeWcS said:

Sorry, I should have put forth a better reply as you supplied some good info.

I wasn't aware that the clay was needed, but that makes sense. Do products like Great White use a carrier? I always thought it was a pure water soluble powder. I'd guess you wouldn't wanna put the clay in any sort of reservoir. Thats where Orca would come in I assume.

And I wanna take back what I said. I shouldn't have used the term 'sterile'. I should have said mineral based. I miss use the term all the time. When I say sterile I am thinking 'all salts with NO organics'.

I am mostly interested in making a myco root dunk for clones and smaller transplants. Thats why I was trying to avoid the clay.
Thanks again for the info!!

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coolcool, nonsterile but salt based watering should be fine in coco. And making a “tea” or dunk for the smaller plants should be totally ok. Just no super high phosphorus etc.

I do flood and drain now and I still make a myco tea (has clay or something) and top water it into the pebble. But keep my mostly salt based res fairly clean. Not sure what great white uses for ingredients but almost every one has a inert carrier of some sort.

As an FYI on the measurements of fungi in propagules or spores per cm on the backs of most products. I believe most of those to be bs and / or measured once at optimum conditions and then listed forever. Or just total lies. It’s easy to list a metric no one will ever measure. But you need a microscope, and be trained to see and measure these levels and variance in samples would be high and not likely the same from one bottle to the other. /rant.

Sorry to thread crap, but a question. If I grow outdoors, and I use my own veganic compost, should I introduce a commercial mycorrhizae to my compost pile? Or even under the plants.

bodhipop said:

Looking forward to hearing others favorite.
I've had amazing results with the company "Root Naturally".
They are a small family business with 4 types of Mycorrhizae in their product. I've compared the concentration amount to others and they had the highest concentration behind Great White. Root Naturally is very cheap on amazon. You can choose the granule (preferred) but also have a finer powder.

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Would love to have you try out DYNOMYCO our mycorrhizal inoculant! It's got 900 propagules per gram (408 150 propagules/lb) of two species of endomycorrhizal fungi. Our concentration of propagules/gram is (6.8x higher than the product you are using) and the results we have seen from customers are outstanding. Both species of endomycorrhizal fungi have been scientifically proven to be most beneficial for inoculating Cannabis roots.

aridynomyco said:

Would love to have you try out DYNOMYCO our mycorrhizal inoculant! It's got 900 propagules per gram (408 150 propagules/lb) of two species of endomycorrhizal fungi. Our concentration of propagules/gram is (6.8x higher than the product you are using) and the results we have seen from customers are outstanding. Both species of endomycorrhizal fungi have been scientifically proven to be most beneficial for inoculating Cannabis roots.

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I'd love to try your product. Looks like you guys put a lot of time and research into it..

NeWcS said:

I'd love to try your product. Looks like you guys put a lot of time and research into it..

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Stoked to hear! Indeed a lot of time and research has been invested into our product. DYNOMYCO™ was conceived in the labs of one the top agricultural research facilities in the world and is backed by 30 years of scientific research. Once you grow with DYNOMYCO™ you won't want to grow without us again!

NeWcS said:

Can anyone recommenced a 'fair priced' product that isn't 99% clay? Orca, Recharge, Bigfoot, etc. ? Been using Mykos but it's mostly carrier. Looks like their WP might be pure.

And while I am on the subject; can beneficials like bacteria and fungi take hold in a sterile coco environment?
I only really use it(mycoriz) to plant rooted clones in cups of coco.
Thanks!

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im worried on the clay too. i heard dynomyco is all clay is this tru.?.

arid do you know?
@aridynomyco

Rico2016 said:

im worried on the clay too. i heard dynomyco is all clay is this tru.?.

arid do you know?
@aridynomyco

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First of all, all mycorrhizal products will have carriers. This is for the propagules because if you didn’t have a carrier your propagules would probably not survive. Next, Mykos WP is actually lower in concentration than their granular version and the carrier there is Clay. DYNOMYCO has clay and vermiculite as the carriers, but has a far higher concentration than the rest.

As for the other two products that you mentioned, their carriers are active ingredients, and their concentration of mycorrhizal fungi is very very low and if it’s not doing the work, it’s the active ingredient carriers inside it that are. Thanks

DYNOMYCO has the greatest concentration of mycorrhizal fungi per plant at the lowest cost per plant

aridynomyco said:

First of all, all mycorrhizal products will have carriers. This is for the propagules because if you didn’t have a carrier your propagules would probably not survive. Next, Mykos WP is actually lower in concentration than their granular version and the carrier there is Clay. DYNOMYCO has clay and vermiculite as the carriers, but has a far higher concentration than the rest.

As for the other two products that you mentioned, their carriers are active ingredients, and their concentration of mycorrhizal fungi is very very low and if it’s not doing the work, it’s the active ingredient carriers inside it that are. Thanks

DYNOMYCO has the greatest concentration of mycorrhizal fungi per plant at the lowest cost per plant

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What is the concentration?