Myths That's All They Are

bamfrivet

Well-Known Member
Im gonna try and list off as many myths surrounding growing that I have heard of. If I get anything wrong or if you have your own myths feel free to post 'em. I figured that Newbie Central would be a good place for this so that people can learn and help people learn about these myths that are sometimes only hurting our plants instead of helping them.

This is by no means a complete list, nor do I claim to be an expert, but some of these are just common sense. If you have proof, not just "a buddies of mines friend said" kinda proof, but actual first hand experience or can show tests that have been done to prove that any of these are just myths, then I will take it off the list.

Miracle-Gro:
Myth: Miracle-Gro will kill your plants
Truth: It's a good soil if you know how to use it.

So many see this as an evil to growing marijuana because of all the bad rep around it. "Miracle-Gro kills your plants, my buddie used it and his plants were terrible and died." That's because your friend didn't know how to use Miracle-Gro.

Miracle-Gro comes with long release nutes in it, this is what kills most peoples plants. They see the long release nutes and think "great, I wont have to add much nutes to it". You don't have to add anything to it but water. Giving it extra nutes is a good way to poison your plant. The nutes are water soluble, so every time you water it gives your plant nutes. Over watering not only is bad for your plant in general, but with Miracle-Gro it also over feeds your plants.

Molasses:
Myth: It makes your bud sweeter. It makes your bud heavier.
Truth: It feeds your soil

Molasses is great for your plants, well it's great for your soil. Molasses does feed your plant a tiny amount of sugar (maybe 10% of the sugar from the molasses), but what it really does that helps out is feed the micro organisms in the soil. It gives the micro organisms carbs, sugars and trace elements. In return those organisms feed/protect/water your plants.

What it doesn't do is make your bud taste any sweeter. The only way your bud is tasting better is because of the benefits from the micro organisms in the soil helping your plant achieve it's full potential.

Nail In Stem Before Harvest:
Myth: A nail in the stem 2 days before, a week before, 2 weeks before harvest will get you a bigger yield
Truth: It only hurts your plants

There is an old myth that if you put a nail into the base of the plants stem that the plant will absorb some of the iron or copper from the nail or that it will increase resin production. Harming your plant as drastically as putting a nail through it is only going to stress your plant out and get a smaller yield.

Maybe it started because someone did it on accident and noticed that the buds weren't as big as on the other plants, but they looked more frosty in comparison, when in facts all it did was give you less bud.

Urine:
Myth: It will help your plant out
Truth: It will help your plant out (if you can get past the idea of using urine on your plants)

You see people bashing others for asking about using urine on their plants. Urine is actually a decent source of nitrogen as well as trace elements, it's ph balanced (unless you have PH issues yourself), it's sterile, no pathogens passed from you will have an impact on your plant as human pathogens don't effect plants the same way. there are some pathogens that you can pass on that may harm your plant but if you have healthy soil the other micro organisms in your soil will starve it to death.

Farmers in norway are using urine as a fertilizer for their crops because they saw how it helped their plants and it's a free source of fertilizer, which face it, in these days free is always good. You just have to get past the idea that you are using urine on your plants.

Nutes:
Myth:
Truth:

This one isn't so much a myth as it is common sense. You see all these fancy bottles with all these promises on them and the guy at the store told you that the more expensive one was better, so it must be right? People spend tons of money on their nutes. I see people using 6 or more different nutes/additives/snake oils in their grow, most of the products all come from the same company. Nute companies are just like the big pharm companies, they want your money and they want it any way they can get it. They split up different nutes into small bottles and then charge you a big price instead of giving you a more full complete formula in the first place. Read up on what is actually in all these different products with their fancy labels. You can get some generic nutes for a fraction of the cost and the same if not better results.

Topping:
Myth: Topping gives you 2-6 main cola's instead of just one
Truth: It makes the buds that would be smaller bigger, but you still get around the same amount of harvest.

When you top your plant you cut off the main cola. You no longer have a main cola. Instead of having 1 main cola, you now have 2-6 false main cola's. Instead of the plant putting all that energy and nutes into the main bud, it gives it to the buds that would have normally been smaller. The other buds look like smaller cola's but they aren't really main cola's.

Don't get me wrong, topping is great for keeping plants shorter, or just for the convenience of the drying and curing process of not having a soda can sized nug to worry about rotting lol.

CFL/FLOROs:
Myth: you can't get a decent harvest with CFL or FLOROS
Truth: you can get a decent harvest with CFL or FLOROS

HPS/MH is obviously going to out grow a CFL or FLORO set up most of the time. A lot of it has to do with knowledge and how much you use. Now most CFL growers are first time growers and they don't want to spend $120 for a HPS ballast, $120 for a hood and so on, they want to get a grow or two under their belt with CFL which are much easier to get and cheaper.

CFL growing is all about kelvin temperatures and lumens. Reading a CFL box can be confusing because it says 150w on the front, but it's actually a 48w that is comparable to 150 incandescent bulbs. Also you have to keep the bulbs much closer and need many more bulbs than you would with a HPS/MH

Femanized Seeds:
Myth: Gauranteed to be female
Truth: Not all are female and depending on the feminizing process that breeder used, you may end up with a higher percentage of hermies.

Femanized or not, you will always have a small chance of getting some males. It's just how it is, nature does what it wants. Femanized seeds may be herm seeds that come out female but with stress will herm on you. Don't expect a miracle out of these things.

Flushing 2 Weeks Before Harvest: For soil only.
Myth: You have to flush your plants for 2 weeks before harvest or else it'll taste bad and be harsh
Truth: Flushing for 2 weeks before harvest only hurts your plants more than helps.

Now everyone has heard about this one. Most people actually buy into it and flush their plants. How and why did this myth start? I am not sure. What I do know is that it is unnecessary and in fact does more harm than good.

When you flush your plants for 2 weeks before harvest you are starving them. So they start to cannibalize, taking nutrients and minerals from it's leafs and diverting it all to the bud. So when you harvest you have this half dead looking plant, but it tastes better right? Wrong.

If you flush it or not, nutes from your soil and the rest of your plant are still going up into those buds when you flush it. Besides that nutes don't drain out of a plant that way, the plant has to use it and convert it to energy to get rid of it. So it's going to be in your nug anyway. All your doing is depriving yourself of more growth and more resin production.

Plants shouldn't be yellow when you harvest them. You don't start strawberry plants for 2 weeks before harvest to get the nute taste out of them do you? No, because it doesn't work that way.

12/12 from seed:
Myth: Low yield. some people don't even think it's possible
Truth: You can get a good yield if you give the plant what it wants. You most certainly can grow a plant 12/12 from seed.

Some people don't think you can start a plant 12/12 from seed. Some people don't think you can get a decent yield. Some people don't think. The plant is going to go through a veg cycle and stretching regardless of what light cycle you use to start off with. So if you give your plants what they want, then you'll get good results.

In fact 12/12 from seed is great for micro grows or stealth pc grows. 12/12 from seed is great for a grow that has height limitations or even for doing a small scrog

If you have any doubts check out this thread del66666's 12/12 from seed thread.

Well this is all I can think of off the top of my head. If you know of any more, go ahead and post them and see if we can get a good list of myths so people know what to avoid.

*EDIT*
Added 12/12 from seed
If you guys can think of any more post em up, I wanna get a good list going to help people out.

*NOTE* This information pertains mainly to SOIL growing, not HYDRO or SOILLESS, I don't know anything about hydro so im not going to try and act like I do and sound like an idiot.
 

bigjayb

Member
great post bamfrivet :) i definitely enjoyed enjoyed reading thank you for the info gonna have to try some of that miracle grow on my next grow

BigJayB
 

Nusky

New Member
I disagree with the flushing thing. I half ass flushed one of my plants and you can taste the chemicals in it compared to the buds that were flushed out.
 

VLRD.Kush

Well-Known Member
Glad I read this... Was just about to start my "pre-harvest flushing" tomorrow, but I guess she'll just get a reduced dose of nutes instead.
 

Nullis

Moderator
Dude, who smokes their strawberries? I sure don't.

Not that I 'flush' in the 'conventional' shit-load of water through the pot manner that many hydro\chemical growers seem to advocate; but [as a soil\organics grower] I use rain water with just Catalyst or a teaspoon of blackstrap. Not 'starving the plant' in this manner, because organic matter and soil biota are still helping to nourish the plant. I can give my plants high P guano well in advance of a month before harvest and it will release nutrients right up until it is time to chop. For a strain that handles its nutrients efficiently this presents no problems.
It seems a bit extreme to say the plant is 'cannibalizing' itself towards harvest; leaves naturally go yellow (a slew of colors in the right conditions) and they fall off. The buds have already ripened, the plant doesn't need fan leaves anymore- it is game over.

Also, I'd have to say if you're using Miracle Gro synthetic nutrients there is virtually no point in using molasses anyways; you wont have healthy populations of the right kinds of microbes in your soil.
 

bamfrivet

Well-Known Member
Dude, who smokes their strawberries? I sure don't.

Not that I 'flush' in the 'conventional' shit-load of water through the pot manner that many hydro\chemical growers seem to advocate; but [as a soil\organics grower] I use rain water with just Catalyst or a teaspoon of blackstrap. Not 'starving the plant' in this manner, because organic matter and soil biota are still helping to nourish the plant. I can give my plants high P guano well in advance of a month before harvest and it will release nutrients right up until it is time to chop. For a strain that handles its nutrients efficiently this presents no problems.
It seems a bit extreme to say the plant is 'cannibalizing' itself towards harvest; leaves naturally go yellow (a slew of colors in the right conditions) and they fall off. The buds have already ripened, the plant doesn't need fan leaves anymore- it is game over.

Also, I'd have to say if you're using Miracle Gro synthetic nutrients there is virtually no point in using molasses anyways; you wont have healthy populations of the right kinds of microbes in your soil.
Well since you don't flush in the conventional sense, then it doesn't really apply to you because you aren't really flushing it. Your limiting it's nutrient intake but you are still feeding it. Im talking about just flushing it with lots of water. Maybe I should go back through and maybe add the definition to a few things, or at least my interpretation of the definition.

My leafs are green at harvest, no yellow what so ever. Now certain strains or pheno's can cause yellowing leafs or to have the leafs fall off towards the end, but it's not something that normally happens with every strain if you give it what it needs. Just because the buds are mature doesn't mean the plant sheds it's fan leafs. Especially if the plant hasn't been pollinated. After the bud matures and is fully ripened and hasn't been impregnated, it will start to produce male organs to pollinate it's self in a last ditch effort to make seeds to pass on it's genetics. The plant would want to have it's fan leafs to produce seeds as soon as possible before it dies off.

I would agree that adding molasses to Miracle-Gro is useless because there is virtually no micro organisms in it since it's using readily absorb able nutrient source. I didn't notice saying anywhere that adding molasses was a good idea.

This isn't a "How To Grow Thread", it's strictly dealing with myths that people have about growing. None of the topics are meant to be a combination of advice to grow with, it's just different myths, what they are about and why people recommend doing different things.
 

motoxmom

Active Member
Ok so i see 2 different views once again on flushing i am in my 1st grow 3 weeks till harvest. so i am doing it all organicly and dont want any chemical taste or smell. should i flush? use 1/2 nutes? Nullis how do you feed them your guano? i mean spread it on top add water to it? (mine never desolves so i can use my sprayer) TY :)
 

hgkdehs

Active Member
Nice post. Topping can give you a greater yield, not because you have more budsites, but because it causes a more even canopy. The light is more evenly distributed on the plant, because the top bud isn't way up high hogging all the good light for itself lol.
 

Nullis

Moderator
Ok so i see 2 different views once again on flushing i am in my 1st grow 3 weeks till harvest. so i am doing it all organicly and dont want any chemical taste or smell. should i flush? use 1/2 nutes? Nullis how do you feed them your guano? i mean spread it on top add water to it? (mine never desolves so i can use my sprayer) TY :)
Either way with the guano. It can also be used in actively aerated compost tea, which can be strained and applied foliarly. For true organics most just water normally the last couple weeks without any significant amounts of anything.
 

motoxmom

Active Member
ty nullis i know ive seen you post in organic growing before, what about molassis? when flushing? I am usuing soiless mix and water daily with general organics full line of nutes and am currently adding some guano because i have yellowing lower leaves. because yellowing is bad correct? i have pics in my journal if you can give me any more advice. TY And im sorry if im jacking your thread BAM :)
 

dannyboy602

Well-Known Member
I liked the read. It was ez to understand. I am guessing the info is from personal experience? I dint see any reference to published studies or quotes from stoner heroes like Sub or Jorge or UB. But +rep for you because I smell no bs here.
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
I disagree with the flushing thing. I half ass flushed one of my plants and you can taste the chemicals in it compared to the buds that were flushed out.
if it tasted like chems then it was the bud...or other factors..when the soil breaks down your fert into usable compounds that can be transported around the plant whether your growing organic or with chem ferts the same elements are going into your plant...organic takes longer because of the whole eat...poop...feed thing... where chem ferts are instantly absorbed by the plant. so when your flushing at the end your not flushing the chemicals out of the plant...and not going into the science as to why...but nothing is removed from the plant when flushed...your just depriving it of food at its most important stage of development. flushing was started by shitty indoor dutch growers that over ferted their crops and told everyone flushing was good (to cover up their mistakes). in any other area of botany flushing is referred to as "leeching" so if someone says the word flush....call bullshit instantly
 

*BUDS

Well-Known Member
I agree with everything u say except molasses=bullshit and why use smelly dirty piss when there are plenty of good nutes high in N on the market that has the correct dosage on the bottle.Who knows how strong/weak your piss is.
 

Prefontaine

Well-Known Member
Dude, who smokes their strawberries? I sure don't.

Not that I 'flush' in the 'conventional' shit-load of water through the pot manner that many hydro\chemical growers seem to advocate; but [as a soil\organics grower] I use rain water with just Catalyst or a teaspoon of blackstrap. Not 'starving the plant' in this manner, because organic matter and soil biota are still helping to nourish the plant. I can give my plants high P guano well in advance of a month before harvest and it will release nutrients right up until it is time to chop. For a strain that handles its nutrients efficiently this presents no problems.

It seems a bit extreme to say the plant is 'cannibalizing' itself towards harvest; leaves naturally go yellow (a slew of colors in the right conditions) and they fall off. The buds have already ripened, the plant doesn't need fan leaves anymore- it is game over.

Also, I'd have to say if you're using Miracle Gro synthetic nutrients there is virtually no point in using molasses anyways; you wont have healthy populations of the right kinds of microbes in your soil.
I think the point your missing is that if your plants turn yellow from lack of nutrients from "flushing" then you are being stupid, If you have put enough nutrients for them to feed for the entire time you stop adding nutes, then you are not really "flushing" you are still feeding the plant what is left in the soil, the difference here is one plant has no food, and has to cannabilize itself, which is what the poster is talking about, and one plant is still sitting in food, which is what you are talking about.

as for leaves turning yellow, you ever heard of revegging, MJ can live fore many years, and its leaves dont just turn color and fall off, unless those leaves arent receiving enough light to support its chemical process, you see weed is not like perenial tree weed is an annual and will continue to grow until its environment is such that it cannot survive.

oh and miracle grow is actually designed so that many of the nitrates are only available to the plant once it has broken down the compounds they are supplied in, the same little microbes that take your urine and turn into fertilizer,

plants are meant to live in symbiosis with the fungi/bacteria int their soil
 

goten

Well-Known Member
I noticed you only mention topping , but not other methods like lst , suppercropping ect

Imo , you will benefit more from lst then just topping .

PLEASE BE PATIENT HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY !

Here is my reasoning for it

When you top , you are actually cutting off the main cola , ( taking away a part of the plant that will also yield )

The 2 new stalks you think your getting is really an illusion , those 2 new stalks that grows are just side branches growing upward replacing the main cola that you topped off

So when you top you are actually taking away from your yield because you cut that extra cola off

Even if you lower branches get extra light you still took away a part of the plant that will bud

Now LST ,

When you lst your pulling and tieing your branches down and ALL of the lower branches are getting more light which results in each branch competing to be the main cola

Your also not losing a cola because you did not top ,

So by lst`ing you end up with a shit load of main colas that is budding instead of only 4 to 6 colas from topping

Anyway that is just my opinion on that , i know we all have our own opinions when it comes to using different methods ...

Happy Growing .....:peace:
 

bamfrivet

Well-Known Member
I noticed you only mention topping , but not other methods like lst , suppercropping ect

Imo , you will benefit more from lst then just topping .

PLEASE BE PATIENT HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY !

Here is my reasoning for it

When you top , you are actually cutting off the main cola , ( taking away a part of the plant that will also yield )

The 2 new stalks you think your getting is really an illusion , those 2 new stalks that grows are just side branches growing upward replacing the main cola that you topped off

So when you top you are actually taking away from your yield because you cut that extra cola off

Even if you lower branches get extra light you still took away a part of the plant that will bud

Now LST ,

When you lst your pulling and tieing your branches down and ALL of the lower branches are getting more light which results in each branch competing to be the main cola

Your also not losing a cola because you did not top ,

So by lst`ing you end up with a shit load of main colas that is budding instead of only 4 to 6 colas from topping

Anyway that is just my opinion on that , i know we all have our own opinions when it comes to using different methods ...

Happy Growing .....:peace:
I didn't include super cropping or LST because I was just addressing the myth that topping gives you new mail cola's. I stated that it doesn't give you any new main cola's it just gives your other bud sites more nutrients and more growth.
 

bamfrivet

Well-Known Member
I agree with everything u say except molasses=bullshit and why use smelly dirty piss when there are plenty of good nutes high in N on the market that has the correct dosage on the bottle.Who knows how strong/weak your piss is.
Once again, this wasn't meant to be a "How To Guide" or even recommendations on what to use and what not to use. It was just meant to expose myths that people hear and instantly believe and give them a little insight into the truths behind them.
 

bamfrivet

Well-Known Member
I liked the read. It was ez to understand. I am guessing the info is from personal experience? I dint see any reference to published studies or quotes from stoner heroes like Sub or Jorge or UB. But +rep for you because I smell no bs here.
Thanks for the rep. This is just information that I have learned from my own personal experiences, and from studies I have read and some common sense, lol. People just hear these myths and instantly believe it because a friend of a friend of a guy that someone knew did it and he had awesome bud. I just got tired of seeing 7 new topics a day asking how much molasses to use to sweeten their bud, or asking what the proper time period is to flush, like these were things you had to do or your plant would turn to dust when you harvested them.
 

DrFever

New Member
the truth about flushing is used for growers that add previous grow soils into a new mix is my thought only reason i flush is for that purpose it would take months to rid your plant of nutrients after i get rid of my root ball there really isnt to much soil left but i do add it to my next grow
cmon guys flushing last few weeks will only hurt your final yield why take away nutrients or lower your nutrient value when its the most crucial time in all of your flowering
it all comes down to proper care of your plant nutrient program micro nutrients and other supliments and lights humidity and overall controling your room, that produces best growth potency and yield
 
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