chiefchuckles
New Member
Yeah, your wrong on the flushing.
Myths That's All They Are
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bamfrivet
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Thanks for your evidence and open mind. Your proof is undeniable and your wisdom is much greater. Happy Growing.
lime73
Weed Modifier
Each to their own.
Total Head
Well-Known Member
myth: this thread is about growing myths
truth: this thread is about flushing
seriously though i saw it coming. there are some things you just don't bring up around here because the results will be inevitable.
watch this:
myth: cutting fan leaves increases yield by getting light to lower branches
truth: cutting fan leaves removes your plants ability to photosynthesize and will reduce yield.
fire in the hole!
truth: this thread is about flushing
seriously though i saw it coming. there are some things you just don't bring up around here because the results will be inevitable.
watch this:
myth: cutting fan leaves increases yield by getting light to lower branches
truth: cutting fan leaves removes your plants ability to photosynthesize and will reduce yield.
fire in the hole!
Myth: Growing more than one plant in a container causes them to "fight" in the root zone and one will be severely stunted/killed.
Truth: Tried & busted. Obviously if two plants are competing for the same space and nutrients then they will not grow as large as one grown individually, but this is the only side effect I have encountered.
Never had one plant "Kill" another.
Truth: Tried & busted. Obviously if two plants are competing for the same space and nutrients then they will not grow as large as one grown individually, but this is the only side effect I have encountered.
Never had one plant "Kill" another.
Urine:
Myth: It will help your plant out
Truth: It will help your plant out (if you can get past the idea of using urine on your plants)
You see people bashing others for asking about using urine on their plants. Urine is actually a decent source of nitrogen as well as trace elements, it's ph balanced (unless you have PH issues yourself), it's sterile, no pathogens passed from you will have an impact on your plant as human pathogens don't effect plants the same way. there are some pathogens that you can pass on that may harm your plant but if you have healthy soil the other micro organisms in your soil will starve it to death.
When I was doing Ebb and FLo I used to Piss in the resevoir instead of hiking up 2 floors to the Toilet
Got really good results
Myth: It will help your plant out
Truth: It will help your plant out (if you can get past the idea of using urine on your plants)
You see people bashing others for asking about using urine on their plants. Urine is actually a decent source of nitrogen as well as trace elements, it's ph balanced (unless you have PH issues yourself), it's sterile, no pathogens passed from you will have an impact on your plant as human pathogens don't effect plants the same way. there are some pathogens that you can pass on that may harm your plant but if you have healthy soil the other micro organisms in your soil will starve it to death.
When I was doing Ebb and FLo I used to Piss in the resevoir instead of hiking up 2 floors to the Toilet
Got really good results
LemonAssistance
Well-Known Member
I used Mirical Grow moisure control on my first plant and she worked fine. Cant say its the best bud ive ever smoked, but i was really suprised how awesome and easy it came out, I really had no problems.
chickengutz
Well-Known Member
I cut my plants flush with the top of my tote when I harvest. I have found this to be the only effective and useful "flush" method.
Stonefree69
Member
I love this thread. Repped a few, including author. No flush by a long shot!
You may think flushing is controversial. That's nothing! Try searching "speaker cables make a difference in audio clarity".
Just as funny, lamp cord works just as well as $13,000/foot cables. What will Barnum's sock puppets think of next?
You may think flushing is controversial. That's nothing! Try searching "speaker cables make a difference in audio clarity".
Just as funny, lamp cord works just as well as $13,000/foot cables. What will Barnum's sock puppets think of next?
Nothingreallymatters
New Member
Plants give off waste, micro-organisms give off waste and nutrients degrade making the medium stale and for lack of a better word, nasty. Flushing a plant is like taking a shower; it does a body and plant good.
When I first start flushing in a bath tub, the run-off is brownish and yellow. I'll keep flushing until the run-off is clear. Within an hour, the plant looks reborn and invigorated. Kinda like the characters did in the Wizard of Oz after they had a makeover.
I believe flushing is very beneficial to a plant's well being.
When I first start flushing in a bath tub, the run-off is brownish and yellow. I'll keep flushing until the run-off is clear. Within an hour, the plant looks reborn and invigorated. Kinda like the characters did in the Wizard of Oz after they had a makeover.
I believe flushing is very beneficial to a plant's well being.
Stonefree69
Member
Point taken Nothingreallymatters. Technically I use Dyna-Gro in hydro and change out my nutes once/week. What I think is being discussed about the flushing myth is giving
plants no nutes at all for up to 2 weeks, not simply refreshing your growing media/regimen. But I would say plants would do better w/a 2 week flush in soil vs hydro.
I heard about 2 other possible myths: Tilling/breaking up the soil before starting new plants & the over fertilization myth (both looking into). I heard about the "tilling myth"
decades ago and how even colonists wasted a bunch of time and effort tilling the soil and it actually being counter productive for their crops.
Oh, and also to add another myth I found today: sunlight is magnified by the water drop on the leaf to cause a leaf burn. This is only true for hairy type leaves and when
the sun is low on the horizon. To this day I've yelled at my bro for doing this outside. Still I heard it's best to water after sunset or before sunrise, though watering during the
day may not be a death sentence for the plant.
plants no nutes at all for up to 2 weeks, not simply refreshing your growing media/regimen. But I would say plants would do better w/a 2 week flush in soil vs hydro.
I heard about 2 other possible myths: Tilling/breaking up the soil before starting new plants & the over fertilization myth (both looking into). I heard about the "tilling myth"
decades ago and how even colonists wasted a bunch of time and effort tilling the soil and it actually being counter productive for their crops.
Oh, and also to add another myth I found today: sunlight is magnified by the water drop on the leaf to cause a leaf burn. This is only true for hairy type leaves and when
the sun is low on the horizon. To this day I've yelled at my bro for doing this outside. Still I heard it's best to water after sunset or before sunrise, though watering during the
day may not be a death sentence for the plant.
Nothingreallymatters
New Member
On that last note:
Burn is not because of light. It IS because of heat.
Think of a dishwasher: after it cycles through the water and steam drys you take out you're glass and you'll see little funky spots on you're glass, from where the water used to be. As long as the heat is under control the "light" will not burn the plant when watering.
Stonefree69
Member
Again Nothingreallymatters, point well taken. I live in AZ where summers can go over 120 degrees and it averages
about 106 for the high all summer. YEAH, I'm going to tell my bro it's the heat!
I've seen healthy tomato plants destroyed within a week when left on a timer when I babysitted a house when bro-in-law
went out for 2 weeks. Dumb jerk yelled at me when I said daytime watering can hurt them so I didn't touch it.
I mean they were totally healthy beforehand. Sorry to call my former bro-in-law that, but my sister would say that's a
compliment.
about 106 for the high all summer. YEAH, I'm going to tell my bro it's the heat!
I've seen healthy tomato plants destroyed within a week when left on a timer when I babysitted a house when bro-in-law
went out for 2 weeks. Dumb jerk yelled at me when I said daytime watering can hurt them so I didn't touch it.
I mean they were totally healthy beforehand. Sorry to call my former bro-in-law that, but my sister would say that's a
compliment.
Stonefree69
Member
Well, actually I do flush. But not the last 2 weeks. I do it 16 times during my 16 week/4 month grow cycle in hydro. So I win 16-2.
Here's some myth propagation (or is it misinformation?):
[video=youtube;9sr58DBJ0Dw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr58DBJ0Dw&feature=related[/video]
Here's some myth propagation (or is it misinformation?):
[video=youtube;9sr58DBJ0Dw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr58DBJ0Dw&feature=related[/video]
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Well, actually I do flush. But not the last 2 weeks. I do it 16 times during my 16 week/4 month grow cycle in hydro. So I win 16-2.
Here's some myth propagation (or is it misinformation?):
[video=youtube;9sr58DBJ0Dw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr58DBJ0Dw&feature=related[/video]
See that "unflushed" bud there? That ash is from it not being dried and cured properly, come on people, anyone thats grown more than twice knows "that stage" of the drying process. Tastes like hay, smells like hay mixed with weed, rough feeling on the throat, doesnt grind well, clumps together...2 weeks in a mason jar and those same buds are beautiful, clear burning, taste, smell, high and smoothness all perfect. The colour even changes slightly.
Preharvest flushing might be a "feel good thing for some people" but its definately not necessary as its made out to be, and started too early will cause deficiencies.
Leeching to remove excess nutes from the root zone after overfeeding is a different story and used widely by farmers, etc worldwide.
great information ,i think ive over watered mine and caused nute burn,they were doing fine untill i repotted them in 3 ltr pots and i watered till water poured out bottom,but now all the little new shoots are bright yellow with curled edges,are my plants dead now there in veg coming up 5 weeks were doing realy well big green n healthy on miracle grow potting soil ,then switched to miracle grow ...expand n grow with 6 mthns time release nutes,,it has a few old big leaves at the bottom yellow and dead ,,ive removed those,,but all over the plants,,the tiny new growth just popping threw and surronding leaves are bright yellow at ends and curled,,is it to late for these
SableZen
Well-Known Member
Chelation occurs regardless of any label like 'synthetic' in regards to nutrients. Chelation is by necessity 'organic'. Chelation occurs when (cat)ionic nutrients are bound with an organic acid. Either it occurs prior to a plant uptaking it, or if not, the plant will produce amino acids and chelate the nutrients at a cellular level before use and before it is able to transport the nutrients to other tissue or to a different part of the plant. In hydroponics, cationic nutrients are chelated with something like leonardite (which is the organic humic acid, aka coal, aka ancient decayed trees and plants, aka as 'organic' as you can get) which prevents them from dropping out of solution and also removes the need for the plant to chelate the nutrients at a cellular level. In soil, microbes provide most of the organic acid and chelate the nutrients. It's all the same nutrients, it's all 'organic', and there's no chemical difference in the nutrients found in the plants tissues.
