Neoprene Inserts versus Plugs

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jaekriel

Active Member
Soon I'm planning on cloning my mothers which are growng now.



I've seen some people put clone cuttings in Neoprene Inserts in homemade cloner Hydro/Aeroponics systems (which I'm planning to build) and the cuttings are watered by some sort of Aeroponics system (sprayers, bubbleponics, fogponics, etc)



It would seem (to me) that this would be better because the nute solution makes direct contact with the cutting....

... as opposed to having them sit in Rockwool/Starter Plugs where they have to be soaked and kept wet - not too wet....not too dry...etc.




It also seems that without having to deal with Plugs, the risk of worrying about Mold or root rot is eliminated



Transferring them to bigger systems without having to mess with Netpots and such also makes Neoprene look like a better alternative,.....

..... but I have no idea once the plants get big and have roots, how to anchor them in the Neoprene Inserts and not have the plants slip down into the Resevoir.

(any comments/ideas regarding that would be welcomed as well)



I'm just hoping to get a consensus here in the forum on opinions regarding the use of either or both....especially since I have not yet crossed that threshold yet myself



Thanks in advance

Jay
 
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Maletor

Active Member
jaekriel said:
Soon I'm planning on cloning my mothers which are growng now.



I've seen some people put clone cuttings in Neoprene Inserts in homemade cloner Hydro/Aeroponics systems (which I'm planning to build) and the cuttings are watered by some sort of Aeroponics system (sprayers, bubbleponics, fogponics, etc)



It would seem (to me) that this would be better because the nute solution makes direct contact with the cutting....

... as opposed to having them sit in Rockwool/Starter Plugs where they have to be soaked and kept wet - not too wet....not too dry...etc.




It also seems that without having to deal with Plugs, the risk of worrying about Mold or root rot is eliminated



Transferring them to bigger systems without having to mess with Netpots and such also makes Neoprene look like a better alternative,.....

..... but I have no idea once the plants get big and have roots, how to anchor them in the Neoprene Inserts and not have the plants slip down into the Resevoir.

(any comments/ideas regarding that would be welcomed as well)



I'm just hoping to get a consensus here in the forum on opinions regarding the use of either or both....especially since I have not yet crossed that threshold yet myself



Thanks in advance

Jay
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Use a neoprene insert and a net pot.
Done and done.
 
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jaekriel

Active Member
Maletor said:
Use a neoprene insert and a net pot.
Done and done.
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Uh yeah....that's doesn't really address the issues .....nor answer my questions.....



The reason I posted the question is to get feedback regarding using one over the other



The statement posted to use both doesn't solve anything, and frankly is pointless without saying anything other than "Done and Done"


I'm not trying to be rude - but not elaborating or offering an explanation is once again - pointless


Jay
 
Moldie

Moldie

Active Member
Me personally i would not use Rockwool or Starter Plugs as they hold to much water ,
I tried rockwool once and cuttings just went all soggy on the ends :(
As for Transferring them to a bigger system i use clay pebbles so no problem,just don't crush roots when you fill pots up :)
 
GringoLoco

GringoLoco

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Use a neoprene collar that is bigger than the hole. You will probably also want to make some sort of clip or snap that will allow you to move the neoprene and also lock it in place.
I use neoprene and net pots, and IMHO, it rocks.
Good Luck
 
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jaekriel

Active Member
GringoLoco said:
Use a neoprene collar that is bigger than the hole. You will probably also want to make some sort of clip or snap that will allow you to move the neoprene and also lock it in place.
I use neoprene and net pots, and IMHO, it rocks.
Good Luck
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You will probably also want to make some sort of clip or snap that will allow you to move the neoprene and also lock it in place.

Can you elaborate on this?

My concern is - if I start with Neoprene - once the plant gets bigger - HEAVIER - that the plant will need to be anchored somehow to the Neoprene so it won't slip down...am I worrying about somehting irrelevant?


And if I have Neoprene - why would I also need Net Pots?

Net Pots hold medium like Plugs and/or Clay Pellets for water absorbtion

I plan on having a semi-constant Mist spraying the Stem/Roots.....

So why would I need a Net Pot?


Thanks in advance

Jay
 
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jaekriel

Active Member
GringoLoco said:
I use 2" net pots and neoprene collars, I don't use medium - the net pots give the collar the stability and support to hold up the plant. I also add a window screen clip (Similar to this http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=166549-76018-L%205509) on either side of the hole to 'lock' the net pot in place. You can view a HowTo of my system here: http://gringoloco.webs.com/the_mantis.pdf
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Well, I'm not exactly sure how those "window clips" help out...but I did check out the PDF of your system.



That's one type of Hydro system I would really like to try in the future



My reason for the post was to see if Neoprene would be better than Plugs, and if plugs were at all needed if Neoprene were used.



It seems as though everyone who is responding (except for the Done and Done comment) are agreeing with my theory that Neoprene is better



So for that, I thank you GL for your comments and advice.


I think I will definately use Neoprene for the cuttings as well as Veg/Bloom stages, and it seems that using the Net Pots for stablizing the Plants and Neoprene Discs are the best route to go.



I'm still not sure if the plants getting heavier will be an issue with the Neoprene, but I am assuming that if I use the Pots as well (with maybe the bottom cut out) that this will help.....




Bottom line - it seems as though some experimentation is in order


Thanks again - (and if anyone else wishes to chime in and help - please do)


Cheers


Jay
 
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hd deuce

Member
jaekriel said:
Uh yeah....that's doesn't really address the issues .....nor answer my questions.....



The reason I posted the question is to get feedback regarding using one over the other



The statement posted to use both doesn't solve anything, and frankly is pointless without saying anything other than "Done and Done"


I'm not trying to be rude - but not elaborating or offering an explanation is once again - pointless


Jay[/QUOT

can u breathe without assistance damn ur fuked how is it hard to understand

neoprene insert in a net cup done
the net cup simply provides the neoprene a anchor otherwise there neoprene would not stay in the hole in the aeroponic rail u need a anchor to hold the plant in place once it grows

ya ur fuked
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VegasWinner

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jaekriel said:
Soon I'm planning on cloning my mothers which are growng now.



I've seen some people put clone cuttings in Neoprene Inserts in homemade cloner Hydro/Aeroponics systems (which I'm planning to build) and the cuttings are watered by some sort of Aeroponics system (sprayers, bubbleponics, fogponics, etc)
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I like the neoprene and I use a clone spinner with ro water alone.


It would seem (to me) that this would be better because the nute solution makes direct contact with the cutting....

... as opposed to having them sit in Rockwool/Starter Plugs where they have to be soaked and kept wet - not too wet....not too dry...etc.
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I don't like rockwool. I used to be construciton and putting something in it turns me off.


It also seems that without having to deal with Plugs, the risk of worrying about Mold or root rot is eliminated
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I used rapid rooters for seeds only.

Transferring them to bigger systems without having to mess with Netpots and such also makes Neoprene look like a better alternative,.....

..... but I have no idea once the plants get big and have roots, how to anchor them in the Neoprene Inserts and not have the plants slip down into the Resevoir.

(any comments/ideas regarding that would be welcomed as well)



I'm just hoping to get a consensus here in the forum on opinions regarding the use of either or both....especially since I have not yet crossed that threshold yet myself



Thanks in advance

Jay
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Peace
 
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SSampsy

Member
im not really sure what the question is, could you give a more direct one? are u asking what roots faster or whats best for aero or how to anchor the neoprene or what?
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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Aero has it risks too. If not treated with some sort of oxidizing sterilizer your clones will turn to mush. Especially with well water.

Rockwool is easy. Soak them in a .6 EC, PH 5.7 for atleast a few hours (bigger cubes must have atleast 12). Fling out a little bit of the solution. Put them in a flat with Grodan inserts and a dome. 26 plants per flat. Open dome flaps after a few days. Check in 10 days.

Kinda set it and forget it with rockwool. I always worried when I was using TurboCloner about water temps and rot.
 
S

SSampsy

Member
Carolina Dream'n said:
Aero has it risks too. If not treated with some sort of oxidizing sterilizer your clones will turn to mush. Especially with well water.

Rockwool is easy. Soak them in a .6 EC, PH 5.7 for atleast a few hours (bigger cubes must have atleast 12). Fling out a little bit of the solution. Put them in a flat with Grodan inserts and a dome. 26 plants per flat. Open dome flaps after a few days. Check in 10 days.

Kinda set it and forget it with rockwool. I always worried when I was using TurboCloner about water temps and rot.
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The temps and pump failure or power outage is what turns me off about turbo cloners. esp if you're running tight cycles thats a bit risky
 
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Proherb

Member
jaekriel said:
I'm still not sure if the plants getting heavier will be an issue with the Neoprene, but I am assuming that if I use the Pots as well (with maybe the bottom cut out) that this will help.....
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Holes in bottom of the netpots makes the problem. The bottom part of the netpot is what holds the plant from slipping down from neoprene collar. The neoprene serves to only make the plant stable and keeping it from faling to the sides, not hold the whole plant. That makes the netpots.

If you want just clone the plants, for rooting is only neoprene collar OK, it will hold the cutting.
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Proherb said:
Holes in bottom of the netpots makes the problem. The bottom part of the netpot is what holds the plant from slipping down from neoprene collar. The neoprene serves to only make the plant stable and keeping it from faling to the sides, not hold the whole plant. That makes the netpots.

If you want just clone the plants, for rooting is only neoprene collar OK, it will hold the cutting.
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He hasn’t been on since 2011
But WELCOME TO RIU :weed:
All the same
 
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