New Beginnings for Massachussetts and I

JustCallmeMom

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Uhhm, no it isn't. This is the text of the mgl covering it.

The word "dry" does not appear in the bill in any meaningful context. Neither does the word "flower". The only part of the plant exempt from weight is stalk. Everything else counts, wet ot dry.

And yes, lewis is an ass. That is a kill bill.
I read this:
"Senator Jason M. Lewis is proposing bills that would reduce the amount of marijuana people 21 years and older could possess in their home from 10 ounces to 2 ounces, and the number of marijuana plants people could grow from 12 per household to six per household."

So you harvest those 6 plants, take 2oz wet, and throw away the rest? wtf? jackass.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/20/mass-legislation-would-sharply-curb-marijuana-law/Eh9hvFnmwpWs5p6B1y0aAN/story.html


 
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greg nr

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how are they going to enforce this? are policemen going to be carrying scales now?
They can estimate weight, just like they can estimate speed. Courts give their "professionalism and training" a LOT credibility.

And fwiw, getting caught with 1.1 ozs of weed in your car (including packaging in a lot of cases) will give you thousands of pains in the wallet and possibly a criminal conviction (felony ?).

A friends son and his buddies were stopped by staties a while back. Each had a small amount of weed. The cop tossed it all together and said they were over the 1 oz limit, and they would all be charged since they were in adverse possession (forget the exact term). It wasn't in their pockets, but they each claimed what was theirs. I think it was in backpacks.

They had to go to court and it was eventually tossed, but the arrests are on their records and it cost a lot in lawyer fees. This was before legalization, but it was under decrim where you could have up to an ounce and it would be a civil fine.

Cops can be so not cute when they try.

But if you are asking about what is in your house, ask tstick.......

Edit: The term I was looking for is constructive possession. It's where they can charge multiple with possession of the same drugs. Usually, you need to have knowledge and some level of control or proximity. But, creative interpretations exist.
 
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Paka978

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They can estimate weight, just like they can estimate speed. Courts give their "professionalism and training" a LOT credibility.

And fwiw, getting caught with 1.1 ozs of weed in your car (including packaging in a lot of cases) will give you thousands of pains in the wallet and possibly a criminal conviction (felony ?).

A friends son and his buddies were stopped by staties a while back. Each had a small amount of weed. The cop tossed it all together and said they were over the 1 oz limit, and they would all be charged since they were in adverse possession (forget the exact term). It wasn't in their pockets, but they each claimed what was theirs. I think it was in backpacks.

They had to go to court and it was eventually tossed, but the arrests are on their records and it cost a lot in lawyer fees. This was before legalization, but it was under decrim where you could have up to an ounce and it would be a civil fine.

Cops can be so not cute when they try.

But if you are asking about what is in your house, ask tstick.......
Fucking staties... sheesh.. and I bet that a-hole got a medal for that...
 

JustCallmeMom

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I am going to bite my tongue and not reply in regard to the " professionalism and training" part.
>:(
I was under impression each PERSON is allowed to have 1oz in their posession. I guess the "important people" can tweak, bend, and justify laws anyway that suits them. free country my ass. still thinking its worth it to get medical card, JIC.
 
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Dr. Who

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I read this:
"Senator Jason M. Lewis is proposing bills that would reduce the amount of marijuana people 21 years and older could possess in their home from 10 ounces to 2 ounces, and the number of marijuana plants people could grow from 12 per household to six per household."

So you harvest those 6 plants, take 2oz wet, and throw away the rest? wtf? jackass.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/20/mass-legislation-would-sharply-curb-marijuana-law/Eh9hvFnmwpWs5p6B1y0aAN/story.html


Welcome to reality!

you get what you want and then those who didn't want ANY of it. Change it to make the public safer = translation. I'm making it as close to nothing as I can - so fuck you pot heads!

Just ask any of us from Michigan about that.
 

greg nr

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I read this:
"Senator Jason M. Lewis is proposing bills that would reduce the amount of marijuana people 21 years and older could possess in their home from 10 ounces to 2 ounces, and the number of marijuana plants people could grow from 12 per household to six per household."

So you harvest those 6 plants, take 2oz wet, and throw away the rest? wtf? jackass.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/20/mass-legislation-would-sharply-curb-marijuana-law/Eh9hvFnmwpWs5p6B1y0aAN/story.html

And our own Senator Chandler has proposed a bill to make it illegal for anyone under 25 to possess any amount of pot. Added to one of lewis's other bills (criminalization for underage possession of MJ), that can lead to felony charges for a 24 y.o. veteran or someone who has been working and has been paying taxes as an adult for almost 6 years.

We would be much better off with an "ex-" before their titles.
 

JustCallmeMom

Well-Known Member
And our own Senator Chandler has proposed a bill to make it illegal for anyone under 25 to possess any amount of pot. Added to one of lewis's other bills (criminalization for underage possession of MJ), that can lead to felony charges for a 24 y.o. veteran or someone who has been working and has been paying taxes as an adult for almost 6 years.

We would be much better off with an "ex-" before their titles.
such a joke. So you can become a father or mother at what now...14-13-12?? You can drive at 16, you can drink at 21, you can kill to defend your country at 18, but not smoke MJ. WHY are they treating this god given seed like the devil? Makes my blood boil. ANY substance can be abused, its not the substance, its the abuser. dont punish us all. dont punish the ones that can benefit from the amazing affects of this plant. my daughter in point.
I remember when my son came home from Afghanistan....he saw more death, tragedy, and mayhem that we could imagine. (he was only 19) but he couldnt have a beer when he came home. The more i look into things, the more disgusted I become. I have had such pain and tragedy because of Alcohol. My aunt was killed by a drunk driver. my grandfather, father, and 2 uncles died of alcoholism and related complications. my mother was an alcoholic...sober now 40 years. my 2 marriages failed because of it. I have had more friends than I can count almost lose their lives, families and careers over it. I have counseled children beaten to an inch of their life from drunk parents. Yeah, keep pushing the booze and making it socially acceptable, but pot is the devil.

And there is my daily rant, LOL. :smile:
 
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greg nr

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Don't get me started on raising the drinking age and the era of MADD. It totally backfired. You have a lot of alcoholic twenty somethings now just because the laws encouraged binge drinking and making it cool.

MADD was only after one thing, money and donations. My guess is sooner or later you will see a group called MAMA, mothers against mj abuse, and the organizers will get very rich.
 

Paka978

Well-Known Member
I am going to bite my tongue and not reply in regard to the " professionalism and training" part.
>:(
I was under impression each PERSON is allowed to have 1oz in their posession. I guess the "important people" can tweak, bend, and justify laws anyway that suits them. free country my ass. still thinking its worth it to get medical card, JIC.
I just renewed mine if only to use it as an umbrella you never know when it'll come in handy
 

be4meliz

Well-Known Member
This is the reply I got from Lewis-wouldn't hurt to write him(the more the better
From: Jason Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:12 PM
To: be4meliz@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Proposed legislation


Good afternoon,


Thank you for your feedback on the marijuana legislation I have filed. I appreciate your passion in support of the new law and I have heard now from many of you how efforts to change the law could – with a nod to history – seem like efforts to prevent lawful use of marijuana. I assure you that I understand that the people have spoken and that adult lawful use and possession of marijuana is the law of the land in Massachusetts.


So why have I filed legislation?


Along with many of my colleagues, I have carefully studied this issue for the past two years and we compiled our findings in a report which is available at www.malegislature.gov/reports (you may need to filter by “marijuana” to locate the report – filed March 8th of 2016). In that report, my colleagues and I wrote a letter that prefaced the report, and which you can find below, and which explains many of our concerns about how marijuana legalization is implemented.


I understand your concerns about changing a law so recently passed by the people. But I also believe that if I do not act, and work with my colleagues to address policy issues raised by the new law, in the years to come I will hear from constituents who have been harmed because of an issue inadequately addressed by the new law, and I will not in good conscience be able to say to them that I have served them well and ably as a law maker. Perhaps it will help to know that in the few years since legalization, Colorado has already passed dozens of laws changing their own marijuana law, even though their legalization law was a ballot amendment that altered that state’s constitution.


It may also help to understand that since marijuana use is still illegal federally, it is up to us as a state to demonstrate to our federal government that we are providing adequate safeguards to protect the public health and safety. If we fail to satisfy our federal partners, they have the legal authority to shut down our marijuana marketplace even if it is legal at the state level.


I understand that you may not agree with the concerns raised below. I encourage you to continue to provide feedback to me and to my colleagues on those issues in which we may disagree. Moving forward, a standing Joint Committee on Marijuana has been created to review and address proposed marijuana legalization, and I encourage you to engage in that process as it moves forward, and to continue to make your voice heard on this matter.

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Letter from the Committee Members


The Massachusetts Senate created the Special Senate Committee on Marijuana in February, 2015. The purpose of the Committee was to research and analyze the policy ramifications if Massachusetts were to legalize the adult recreational use and sale of marijuana.


The Committee was charged with conducting a thorough and objective review of marijuana policy in Massachusetts as well as lessons to be learned from other states, particularly Colorado and Washington, that have already legalized marijuana.


The Committee was not charged with recommending whether or not the Commonwealth should legalize marijuana. We expect this decision will be made by the voters of Massachusetts, since an initiative petition to legalize marijuana is likely to appear on the statewide ballot this November. The Committee will not be taking an official position on the ballot question.


In this report, the Committee recommends actions for the state to take to address numerous policy issues if marijuana were to be legalized. However, this should not be interpreted to indicate the Committee’s endorsement of marijuana legalization.


After completing this extensive review of marijuana policy, the Committee members feel that we have an obligation to share our overall perspective on this important issue with our colleagues in the legislature and the public. To this end, we wish to express our serious concerns about the prospect of legalizing marijuana for recreational use and sale in Massachusetts, in part for the following reasons:


Public health concerns

• Even with strong safeguards in place, legalization may increase the accessibility of marijuana for youth and contribute to the growing perception among youth that marijuana is safe for them to consume.

• Marijuana-infused edibles are the fastest growing segment of the market and present particularly challenging issues for public health and safety.

• The risk of harmful health consequences and addiction may be greater than in the past due to the high potency of many products on the market today.

• Even with tight restrictions on advertising and marketing, legalization would likely encourage commercialization and market expansion as marijuana businesses seek to grow their revenues and profits by gaining new customers and increasing the consumption of their existing customers.


Public safety concerns

• There is no well-accepted standard for determining driver impairment from marijuana intoxication and no equivalent test to an alcohol breathalyzer, making it difficult for law enforcement to identify and arrest offenders and gain convictions in court.

• Although some banks have been willing to assume the risk and considerable expense involved in providing banking services to marijuana businesses, the industry still relies heavily on cash for many transactions and is unable to obtain bank loans or lines of credit, raising security concerns.

• Even with legalization and reasonable tax rates, the black market is likely to persist due to the significant profits to be gained from meeting demand (of adults and youth) across New England, as well as the ease of growing marijuana and the difficulty that law enforcement would face in enforcing home growing limits.


Economic and fiscal concerns

• Since marijuana remains illegal under federal law, state agencies would have to assume the difficult and costly responsibilities for ensuring public health and safety, environmental protection, and agricultural safeguards that would ordinarily be undertaken by federal agencies such as the FDA and EPA.

• There is considerable uncertainty regarding federal policy toward marijuana, particularly with the impending change in administration after the presidential election, as well as growing conflict among states with different policies toward marijuana.

• Tax revenues and fees that would be generated from legal sales may fall short of even covering the full public and social costs (including regulation, enforcement, public health and safety, and substance abuse treatment), and should not be expected to provide a significant new funding source for other public needs such as education or transportation.


We are also concerned that the effort required at this time to implement marijuana legalization by our state and local governments would consume enormous amounts of time and energy that could otherwise be spent addressing other challenging issues already facing our cities and towns.


Furthermore, Massachusetts currently lacks the necessary baseline data on marijuana public health, public safety, and economic and fiscal impacts, as well as the ability totrack and monitor trends over time. This issue has been particularly problematic for Colorado and Washington in formulating sound marijuana policy.


In the final analysis, the Committee members believe strongly that it would be prudent for Massachusetts to take a cautious approach to considering marijuana legalization, and continue to learn from the experience of other states. If the legislature were to take up legislation to legalize marijuana or the voters were to approve the likely ballot question in November, it will be critical for the legislature to carefully consider how best to address the numerous policy issues outlined in this report in order to protect the health and safety of the residents of the Commonwealth.


--


Best regards,

Jason





Jason M. Lewis
State Senator
Fifth Middlesex District
State House, Room 511-B

Boston, MA 02133
617 722-1206
Jason.Lewis@masenate.gov

http://www.facebook.com/SenJasonLewis

Twitter @senjasonlewis
 

be4meliz

Well-Known Member
What I sent him
After seeing your proposal to limit the current legislature on recreational cannabis, I feel I can no longer support you. The current law, as is, is very fair for those of us that cannot afford to go to a dispensary for things that can help us.Take time to thoroughly research this area, instead of just reacting. A majority voted and it seems you are attempting to remove the positive aspects of what the voting majority wishes .I am also a Veteran@ 62
 

Bosgrower

Well-Known Member
What I sent him
After seeing your proposal to limit the current legislature on recreational cannabis, I feel I can no longer support you. The current law, as is, is very fair for those of us that cannot afford to go to a dispensary for things that can help us.Take time to thoroughly research this area, instead of just reacting. A majority voted and it seems you are attempting to remove the positive aspects of what the voting majority wishes .I am also a Veteran@ 62
He sent me the same boiler plate when I contacted him and never responded to my follow up email
 

JustCallmeMom

Well-Known Member
This is the reply I got from Lewis-wouldn't hurt to write him(the more the better
From: Jason Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:12 PM
To: be4meliz@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Proposed legislation


Good afternoon,


Thank you for your feedback on the marijuana legislation I have filed. I appreciate your passion in support of the new law and I have heard now from many of you how efforts to change the law could – with a nod to history – seem like efforts to prevent lawful use of marijuana. I assure you that I understand that the people have spoken and that adult lawful use and possession of marijuana is the law of the land in Massachusetts.


So why have I filed legislation?


Along with many of my colleagues, I have carefully studied this issue for the past two years and we compiled our findings in a report which is available at www.malegislature.gov/reports (you may need to filter by “marijuana” to locate the report – filed March 8th of 2016). In that report, my colleagues and I wrote a letter that prefaced the report, and which you can find below, and which explains many of our concerns about how marijuana legalization is implemented.


I understand your concerns about changing a law so recently passed by the people. But I also believe that if I do not act, and work with my colleagues to address policy issues raised by the new law, in the years to come I will hear from constituents who have been harmed because of an issue inadequately addressed by the new law, and I will not in good conscience be able to say to them that I have served them well and ably as a law maker. Perhaps it will help to know that in the few years since legalization, Colorado has already passed dozens of laws changing their own marijuana law, even though their legalization law was a ballot amendment that altered that state’s constitution.


It may also help to understand that since marijuana use is still illegal federally, it is up to us as a state to demonstrate to our federal government that we are providing adequate safeguards to protect the public health and safety. If we fail to satisfy our federal partners, they have the legal authority to shut down our marijuana marketplace even if it is legal at the state level.


I understand that you may not agree with the concerns raised below. I encourage you to continue to provide feedback to me and to my colleagues on those issues in which we may disagree. Moving forward, a standing Joint Committee on Marijuana has been created to review and address proposed marijuana legalization, and I encourage you to engage in that process as it moves forward, and to continue to make your voice heard on this matter.

--


Letter from the Committee Members


The Massachusetts Senate created the Special Senate Committee on Marijuana in February, 2015. The purpose of the Committee was to research and analyze the policy ramifications if Massachusetts were to legalize the adult recreational use and sale of marijuana.


The Committee was charged with conducting a thorough and objective review of marijuana policy in Massachusetts as well as lessons to be learned from other states, particularly Colorado and Washington, that have already legalized marijuana.


The Committee was not charged with recommending whether or not the Commonwealth should legalize marijuana. We expect this decision will be made by the voters of Massachusetts, since an initiative petition to legalize marijuana is likely to appear on the statewide ballot this November. The Committee will not be taking an official position on the ballot question.


In this report, the Committee recommends actions for the state to take to address numerous policy issues if marijuana were to be legalized. However, this should not be interpreted to indicate the Committee’s endorsement of marijuana legalization.


After completing this extensive review of marijuana policy, the Committee members feel that we have an obligation to share our overall perspective on this important issue with our colleagues in the legislature and the public. To this end, we wish to express our serious concerns about the prospect of legalizing marijuana for recreational use and sale in Massachusetts, in part for the following reasons:


Public health concerns

• Even with strong safeguards in place, legalization may increase the accessibility of marijuana for youth and contribute to the growing perception among youth that marijuana is safe for them to consume.

• Marijuana-infused edibles are the fastest growing segment of the market and present particularly challenging issues for public health and safety.

• The risk of harmful health consequences and addiction may be greater than in the past due to the high potency of many products on the market today.

• Even with tight restrictions on advertising and marketing, legalization would likely encourage commercialization and market expansion as marijuana businesses seek to grow their revenues and profits by gaining new customers and increasing the consumption of their existing customers.


Public safety concerns

• There is no well-accepted standard for determining driver impairment from marijuana intoxication and no equivalent test to an alcohol breathalyzer, making it difficult for law enforcement to identify and arrest offenders and gain convictions in court.

• Although some banks have been willing to assume the risk and considerable expense involved in providing banking services to marijuana businesses, the industry still relies heavily on cash for many transactions and is unable to obtain bank loans or lines of credit, raising security concerns.

• Even with legalization and reasonable tax rates, the black market is likely to persist due to the significant profits to be gained from meeting demand (of adults and youth) across New England, as well as the ease of growing marijuana and the difficulty that law enforcement would face in enforcing home growing limits.


Economic and fiscal concerns

• Since marijuana remains illegal under federal law, state agencies would have to assume the difficult and costly responsibilities for ensuring public health and safety, environmental protection, and agricultural safeguards that would ordinarily be undertaken by federal agencies such as the FDA and EPA.

• There is considerable uncertainty regarding federal policy toward marijuana, particularly with the impending change in administration after the presidential election, as well as growing conflict among states with different policies toward marijuana.

• Tax revenues and fees that would be generated from legal sales may fall short of even covering the full public and social costs (including regulation, enforcement, public health and safety, and substance abuse treatment), and should not be expected to provide a significant new funding source for other public needs such as education or transportation.


We are also concerned that the effort required at this time to implement marijuana legalization by our state and local governments would consume enormous amounts of time and energy that could otherwise be spent addressing other challenging issues already facing our cities and towns.


Furthermore, Massachusetts currently lacks the necessary baseline data on marijuana public health, public safety, and economic and fiscal impacts, as well as the ability totrack and monitor trends over time. This issue has been particularly problematic for Colorado and Washington in formulating sound marijuana policy.


In the final analysis, the Committee members believe strongly that it would be prudent for Massachusetts to take a cautious approach to considering marijuana legalization, and continue to learn from the experience of other states. If the legislature were to take up legislation to legalize marijuana or the voters were to approve the likely ballot question in November, it will be critical for the legislature to carefully consider how best to address the numerous policy issues outlined in this report in order to protect the health and safety of the residents of the Commonwealth.


--


Best regards,

Jason





Jason M. Lewis
State Senator
Fifth Middlesex District
State House, Room 511-B

Boston, MA 02133
617 722-1206
Jason.Lewis@masenate.gov

http://www.facebook.com/SenJasonLewis

Twitter @senjasonlewis
Two words: ASS & HOLE. Him and his "colleagues" prob got stoned every night in college. Now he wants to make a name for himself and be the big shot. Hypocrite.
 

greg nr

Well-Known Member
Yeah, and of course we have plans to go to boston tomorrow night for a dinner and a show. We will see, but for now we are still going.
 

Bosgrower

Well-Known Member
Yeah, and of course we have plans to go to boston tomorrow night for a dinner and a show. We will see, but for now we are still going.
Be prepared for a rain/snow check. Usual response to one of these is lots of cancellations and a parking ban
 

greg nr

Well-Known Member
My yardstick is whether they shut down the t. My wife will push to go unless the event is cancelled. The restaurant told us they will be open no matter what.

These (almost always) end up being 80% hype and 20% probability. Nothing to lose by waiting till the last minute.
 

Final Phase

Well-Known Member
Just replying because I'm also a newb, non-smoker from mass. I don't smoke because I get tested by both the coast guard and my employer. Neither of them are amused that it is legal now. :(

But, with-in a couple of years I'll be out of the corp rat race. In the mean time I intend to grow up a big healthy FU to jeff sessions and make friends and family happy. ;)

I don't know jack from cindarella, but I do think you will run out of height and lw on that shelf. But hey, you will figure it out I'm sure. We massholes have to stick together.
Smart move! Get a shit pile stocked up for your future. I was going to do the same for retirement... What a joke - got into making medical which is only making me expand the freaking space again...
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
I am going to bite my tongue and not reply in regard to the " professionalism and training" part.
>:(
I was under impression each PERSON is allowed to have 1oz in their posession. I guess the "important people" can tweak, bend, and justify laws anyway that suits them. free country my ass. still thinking its worth it to get medical card, JIC.
Definitely a wise move. Then you can beat the offending thug with a badge over the head with it in court and make him look like an idiot in front of a judge he'll no doubt see again and again.
 
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