New Climate Change News [It's not good]

Sand4x105 · Apr 30, 2015

So what is really going on?

Why the need for us scientist to lie and adjust the numbers?

Can the general public, you liberals, and you conservatives not handle the truth?

Quote:

Careful analysts have come up with hundreds of examples of how the original data recorded by 3,000-odd weather stations has been “adjusted”, to exaggerate the degree to which the Earth has actually been warming.
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So what is really going on? Once you figure it out, it wont matter any more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11561629/Top-scientists-start-to-examine-fiddled-global-warming-figures.html

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

I thought the issue was settled. Science should move on to other unsettled issues, like where does my cats purring noise come from?

Rrog · Apr 30, 2015

Yeah, all that "science" stuff- I hear that's all bullshit.

Rrog · Apr 30, 2015

One might Google the organization who is quoted above. The Global Warming Policy Foundation. Corporate entities whose sole design is to change opinion and policy to protect corporate interests.

That organization is to science what the National Enquirer is to news.

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

Ah, if we could only live in world where everyone agreed that CO2 is a minor greenhouse warming gas that pushes us over a cliff when water vapor is assigned a positive feedback variable of 1.6. Then we could all agree to implement the proposed solutions that won't actually do shit to change anything. What a wonderful world it would be.

Rrog · Apr 30, 2015

Wasn't my quote...

see4 · Apr 30, 2015

This thread deserves 1 star. It is a complete and utter failure.

Good day.

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

see4 said:
This thread deserves 1 star. It is a complete and utter failure.

Good day.

It was 1 star until your post. I'd give it 2 stars now.

Rrog · Apr 30, 2015

Hahahahaha!!!!!!! ^^^^ THAT post might make it 2.5 stars!

UncleBuck · Apr 30, 2015

Bugeye said:
Ah, if we could only live in world where everyone agreed that CO2 is a minor greenhouse warming gas that pushes us over a cliff when water vapor is assigned a positive feedback variable of 1.6. Then we could all agree to implement the proposed solutions that won't actually do shit to change anything. What a wonderful world it would be.

and when there's too much water vapor, it rains. or a gust of wind pushes it away.

but when you take millions and millions of years of sequestered CO2 and pump it into the atmosphere over the course of a mere century, there are nowhere near enough CO2 sinks to rebalance the equation. CO2 PPM then shoots from 300 PPM to 400PPM over the course of a mere century, after having stayed between 200 PPM and 300 PPM for about 800,000 years.

but ya know, that's all just minor stuff and has nothing to do with erasing 5,000 years of cooling in the last 100 years.

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

UncleBuck said:
and when there's too much water vapor, it rains. or a gust of wind pushes it away.

but when you take millions and millions of years of sequestered CO2 and pump it into the atmosphere over the course of a mere century, there are nowhere near enough CO2 sinks to rebalance the equation. CO2 PPM then shoots from 300 PPM to 400PPM over the course of a mere century, after having stayed between 200 PPM and 300 PPM for about 800,000 years.

but ya know, that's all just minor stuff and has nothing to do with erasing 5,000 years of cooling in the last 100 years.

Or cloud formation increases to the point where significant heat gets reflected away? Seems more like a dynamic feedback mechanism to me.

But let's assume we are at a tipping point, what is the global solution that will make a real difference? I can't think of a single thing that actually has a chance of being implemented on a scale necessary to work given human nature.

UncleBuck · Apr 30, 2015

Bugeye said:
Or cloud formation increases to the point where significant heat gets reflected away? Seems more like a dynamic feedback mechanism to me.

yes, feedback cycles are key. and water vapor is indeed a stronger greenhouse gas. and higher CO2 concentrations which drive higher temps also drive more water vapor, which drives higher temps. you said it all when you said feedback cycles.

Bugeye said:
But let's assume we are at a tipping point, what is the global solution that will make a real difference? I can't think of a single thing that actually has a chance of being implemented on a scale necessary to work given human nature.

i think that takin the subsidies we give to oil companies and giving them to renewable energies instead would be a good start.

it's kind of stupid for people to say that we don't have an economically viable alternative when the deck is literally stacked against one side.

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

UncleBuck said:
yes, feedback cycles are key. and water vapor is indeed a stronger greenhouse gas. and higher CO2 concentrations which drive higher temps also drive more water vapor, which drives higher temps. you said it all when you said feedback cycles.

i think that takin the subsidies we give to oil companies and giving them to renewable energies instead would be a good start.

it's kind of stupid for people to say that we don't have an economically viable alternative when the deck is literally stacked against one side.

Okay, and how about China and India and the rest of the 3rd world that is hungering for cheap fossil fuel electricity? Think they will kiss prosperity goodbye? Human nature is a bitch.

abandonconflict · Apr 30, 2015

Inb4 penis

UncleBuck · Apr 30, 2015

Bugeye said:
Okay, and how about China and India and the rest of the 3rd world that is hungering for cheap fossil fuel electricity? Think they will kiss prosperity goodbye? Human nature is a bitch.

by that same sentiment, they will want the next best energy source once gas inevitably becomes too scarce, thereby driving up its price higher than the next best competitor.

why do you think that china is ahead of us in searching for and developing that next energy source?

:lol:

althor · Apr 30, 2015

I cant see how any sane person can say that we dont have an affect and in some cases drastic on the planet and climate.
At the same time, I really dont give a shit. You young kids can deal with it after I am dead and gone.

althor · Apr 30, 2015

Bugeye said:
Or cloud formation increases to the point where significant heat gets reflected away? Seems more like a dynamic feedback mechanism to me.

But let's assume we are at a tipping point, what is the global solution that will make a real difference? I can't think of a single thing that actually has a chance of being implemented on a scale necessary to work given human nature.

Exactly. Give me a cheap viable solution and I am all for it, until then it is just a waste of time.

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

UncleBuck said:
by that same sentiment, they will want the next best energy source once gas inevitably becomes too scarce, thereby driving up its price higher than the next best competitor.

why do you think that china is ahead of us in searching for and developing that next energy source?

I'm under the impression that China is building coal fired electrical plants at a crazy pace. The break-through technology you are hoping for does not yet exist, but I hope it comes.

UncleBuck · Apr 30, 2015

Bugeye said:
I'm under the impression that China is building coal fired electrical plants at a crazy pace.

and nothing else besides that, right?

:lol:

Bugeye · Apr 30, 2015

UncleBuck said:
and nothing else besides that, right?

I do not know what percentage of their energy currently comes from renewables, what is the answer?

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