NEW Closet Set Up for L.E.D. Stealth Grow

didn't go through the hole thread. But your room looks great. Will check out the last 10 page and get back with you.

Hydro Grow LED is the main place I have been looking to get another fixture from but don't have that kind of money right now. She is the only one I have seen to truly state 60 degree angle LED's. I rarely ever found a grow that finished using her light. Cammie tended to start name calling and got on her high horse about her LED's and that turned a lot of people off. She then dropped out of a forum and went to another one.

Glad to see Runt is kickin ass! You got your cloning methods down already Serapis?

just read through your grow mate and i love your setup you got going there. I am def tuned into this one! I was on the fence about growing under LEDs compared to a 250 watt MH. Now seeing your grow i am going to go with something like this, http://www.thelashop.com/product.php?productid=393&cat=47&page=2 . Do you think this would be good for 5 plants?

Serapis said:

If you go back to the very beginning of this thread, I show shots of both chambers. The lower area was sealed off with Panda poly and insulation board. It has an active air intake, a passive exhaust (upper chamber has active, bigger exhaust fan) and is powered by 4 4' 40w 65k cool white plus bulbs. I use it for seedlings and early veging. It'll easily support a mother. The light hoods are on yo-yo lifters.

You might wanna go back and catch the whole story CC. I also turned a large tote into a reservoir for my hand watering, because my tap water is soooo hard. The reservoir has an air pump with air stones and a water pump with a double filter. The bottom has washed pea gravel to capture up any large debris. Keeping the water clear with H2O2, fish tabs and distilled vinegar when necessary.

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Oh, yes, of course! I remember now. I read every page of this journal, and I've been fully aware of it, it's just that it looked so small in the photos that I didn't even have the foggiest that it could keep a mother. Yeah, you should be fine; mothers are usually kept real short, anyhow. But you may end up composting more cuttings than you keep if they're tenacious growers.

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Everything to date has been Nirvana Bubbleicious. I have my fingers crossed that one of these has the pink bud and bubble gum taste that is sought after. That will be my first mother.

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I contacted Nirvana seeds and advised them of the horrible germ rate while using their starter pellets and they have advised they will resend some seeds. Happy days! I don't like the paper towel method because I ran into mold while using it years ago. I'm going to go with cups of water and superthrive. When the seed sinks, I pour it and water into organic starting mix and let mother nature go from there, as intended. Seeds are meant to sow, not layer between paper towels in your cupboard and I'm done trusting peat pellets.

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Ah, I see. Didn't you say you have two strains to work with? What's the other? Very cool about the replacement ship. Dang, well, paper towels obviously aren't such a bonafide method, but I think it one ups those peat pellets. I haven't really heard of many complications with paper towels, although I've only germed with 'em once, but I had a hundred percent success rate with bagseed once! That counts for something I suppose. But I'm sure there are much better germ methods; hope to find one someday soon.

luckyskindaguy said:

Hydro Grow LED is the main place I have been looking to get another fixture from but don't have that kind of money right now. She is the only one I have seen to truly state 60 degree angle LED's. I rarely ever found a grow that finished using her light. Cammie tended to start name calling and got on her high horse about her LED's and that turned a lot of people off. She then dropped out of a forum and went to another one.

Glad to see Runt is kickin ass! You got your cloning methods down already Serapis?

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LEDGirl's name is Cammie is it? Wow, I didn't know about that. But I can't say I'm hardly surprised; that's capitalists for ya. Yeah, even HTG just uses "wide angle" LEDs. I'm sure they increase lightprint without diminishing intensity in a way which is satisfactory enough to sacrifice for the sake of profit. But we'll see just how well they can do. I'm sure they'll do well enough. But I guess it all depends on what you're doing, too. If you're SoGin' or SCRoGin', I'm sure the increased lightprint of wide angle LEDs would benefit from adding square feet, although the buds might not be made as dense as you'd get from something like HGL. Oh well.

Yes, indeed, Runt's kickin' ass, and that's what matters right now!

Hi, I read through all the posts (that took quite awhile) the first couple pages with the big mouth bickering back and forth were pretty entertaining...

anyways... I'm tryiing to find out your thoughts on the 300w lights from htg... are they any good? also, would they be sufficent for a 4x4 ebb and flow setup during flowering or would I need to provide some floro side light? and how high should I keep them off the tops (would say 16" be a decent hight to cover a 4x4 area?

I've used the 90w panel off ebay but wasn't impressed with the area coverage on a 2x2.5 tote (misting system), I had too many ph issues with serveral totes to blame it on the light... but it did produce some bud before the heat wave killed all my plants...so I already know they will survive on LED... but my 125w MH seemed to do better...(except for the heat)

casper23 said:

just read through your grow mate and i love your setup you got going there. I am def tuned into this one! I was on the fence about growing under LEDs compared to a 250 watt MH. Now seeing your grow i am going to go with something like this, http://www.thelashop.com/product.php?productid=393&cat=47&page=2 . Do you think this would be good for 5 plants?

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I think those would work, but check recommended lightprint coverage, it's like 2.5' x 2.5' at optimal height. Sounds like it would cover 4 one gallons comfortably per overhead.

word, thanks for the input mate.

i look forward to your updates on your grow.

UPDATE

I've transplanted all the plants that were damaged by exposure to the LED lights too soon. They are still dwarfed a bit on top, but the roots were stretched to the bottom and circling the cup. I hope the new room gives em the push they needed to start growing.

All plants are on water and FF Big Bloom at 1/2 strength. The soil is Miracle Grow Organic choice amended with worm castings and perlite. I am adding 4 drops of Super Thrive per gallon of water to give the plants hormones and B vitamins to shake off the shock of being transplanted.

The larger of the plants, Runt, has been fimmed. I'll update with some close up pics when the results of that become evident in 2-3 days. It should be interesting to see how many tops result. I have never fimmed before, usually only topped. With only 4 plants at this veg stage, I want to try and increase yield. This is the batch to get me from Halloween to Thanksgiving. I'll start the Xmas seeds shortly if a suitable mom hasn't stood out.

At this point, it looks like runt is it. I also have two more seeds that have not yet germed. They were soaked in distilled water and then placed in an organic peat starter mix. I've yet to see anything going on with those. Today I placed them in an 88 degree closet. We'll see. So far it is a germ rate of only 20%. Remember, these were the seeds that were originally in peat pellets that developed the white wispy mold, pics a page or two back.

Here are the pictures:

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if I was you I would protect that extension cord bar, moisture could make it catch fire when you are not at home, I read through your thread, did you spend almost a thousand dollars on that setup?

Sub'd - killer room, very anxious to see how it turns out with LEDs.

One question though and forgive me as I'm VERY new to growing and especially LEDs...

From the pics you've posted the LEDs look to be a mix of red and blue (I know blue=veg and red=flowering). Does the mix of colors promote better growing as opposed to a straight blue during veg and straight red during flowering? For now I'm using CFLs to grow as it's the most cost effective way for me to do it and I'm in veg using 65K bulbs and will switch to 27K bulbs for flowering. Is it that it's just too expensive to buy separate LED panels for the different colors?

Great thread and can't wait to see the results

I'm subscribed, excited to see the end results. thanks for all the info, I'm starting my first LED set up in a few days, keeping close attention to your thread

Hip Hop Grower said:

if I was you I would protect that extension cord bar, moisture could make it catch fire when you are not at home, I read through your thread, did you spend almost a thousand dollars on that setup?

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How much moisture are you expecting me to have in my flower room? LOL... I have them off the shelf in case of spills, the air humidity will not be high enough to cause a short in my outlets but thanks for the concern. The price of the set up has been discussed a few times in the thread, feel free to read up on it as I'm tired of answering that same question only to hear how cheap HID lamps are. I'm tired of discussing power consumption to HID fans.

420n00b said:

Sub'd - killer room, very anxious to see how it turns out with LEDs.

One question though and forgive me as I'm VERY new to growing and especially LEDs...

From the pics you've posted the LEDs look to be a mix of red and blue (I know blue=veg and red=flowering). Does the mix of colors promote better growing as opposed to a straight blue during veg and straight red during flowering? For now I'm using CFLs to grow as it's the most cost effective way for me to do it and I'm in veg using 65K bulbs and will switch to 27K bulbs for flowering. Is it that it's just too expensive to buy separate LED panels for the different colors?

Great thread and can't wait to see the results

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Plants benefit from both spectrums during both phases of growth, however with HID lamps, it's practical to use one or the other. Some use both. My LEDs also include a white spectrum, they are tri-bands. The panels on the wall are simply 2 bands.

Thanks for the good wishes!!

From what I recall, there is over $900 in just the LED's.

Hey Serapis, do you know the traits you are looking for in deciding on a mother yet or are you just gonna see what you get and go from there?

For me, the squatty bushy plant was ideal. Just so happened that she has tons of frost and packs a punch!

Do you plan on doing any curing this first batch? If so, what method are you gonna use? I just tried my first cure and my gf says it is twice the hit as it was prior to curing. Food for thought, I know you have commented about curing in other threads, but also know you are in transition after being left hangin by your dealer so didn't know if you have the time to wait on the first crop

Serapis said:

Plants benefit from both spectrums during both phases of growth, however with HID lamps, it's practical to use one or the other. Some use both. My LEDs also include a white spectrum, they are tri-bands. The panels on the wall are simply 2 bands.

Thanks for the good wishes!!

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Your welcome and thanks for the info. Really need to do more homework before committing to a singular lighting source though LEDs look to be the best route for what I'm trying to do.

luckyskindaguy said:

From what I recall, there is over $900 in just the LED's.

Hey Serapis, do you know the traits you are looking for in deciding on a mother yet or are you just gonna see what you get and go from there?

For me, the squatty bushy plant was ideal. Just so happened that she has tons of frost and packs a punch!

Do you plan on doing any curing this first batch? If so, what method are you gonna use? I just tried my first cure and my gf says it is twice the hit as it was prior to curing. Food for thought, I know you have commented about curing in other threads, but also know you are in transition after being left hangin by your dealer so didn't know if you have the time to wait on the first crop

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I will be curing, HOWEVER, at least a dry OZ will get smoked w/o time for curing. I have a friend that suffers migraines that I'm helping as well. Our tolerance levels are so low now, an OZ should last us a few weeks if we only burn in the evenings. He can't burn during the day. It is the following grow that will set me up for Xmas and beyond, as i'll be scrogging.

As for the cure, I'm just gonna do what everyone else does. After the initial drying, I'll place the bud in glass jars and burp them a couple of times a day while monitoring for signs of bud rot or any molds. I may go with the paper bag method for a few days to make sure I'm not starting off with bud that is too moist. If I over dry, I can moisten it back up and start to slow cure. I plan to do some vanilla. I have the extract for the final flush and I'll get a few Vanilla beans from Winn Dixie to toss into the jar. I'm going to do a cinnamon as well. I think both essences will go well with bubble gum. Of course I'm leaving some natural too. I believe that curing refines the smoke and makes it smoother and increases the potency.

As for the Mom, I'm really liking Runt's traits so far. The node spacing is beautiful, she has a nice overall color and is very healthy. I'm still going to flower her however, but I'll get cuttings before I do and see how she is at cloning. Since these are seeds, it will be interesting to see the different traits. I really want some bud that has pinkish colors and smells like bubble gum with a heady high. If it turns out to be a couch lock, I'll be doing some breeding later. I found a place in Canada that mails fresh cut clones and male pollen.

Thanks for the questions.

Do you have a tried and true cloning method yet?

420n00b said:

Your welcome and thanks for the info. Really need to do more homework before committing to a singular lighting source though LEDs look to be the best route for what I'm trying to do.

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Avoid the 3w and 5w diodes. They may sound better, however the 1w 10mm diode found in HTG lights is far superior and efficient. It hits on all spectrums needed by the plant. Good LED lighting is an investment into your business or hobby. These lights have a rating of over 100,000 hours, thats more than 10 years. By then, who knows, maybe the LED technology will have far outpaced HIDs and you'll want to buy newer ones. china has already discovered newer technologies but they are cost prohibitive right now, allowing only governments to be able to afford and experiment with them.

Watt for Watt, LEDs of today win, hands down. I'm not comparing my 320 watts of LEDs with a 1000 watt mh bulb. I'm simply stating that when you compare wattage used, LEDs produce more per actual watt. An HID bulb produces a wide spectrum of light. The plant can only use about 15% of that light, leaving 85% of the energy used to produce the light as wasted. A good LED set up will produce only light that the plant can use, wasting nothing in power consumption. The days of blinding lights and reflector hoods is coming to an end. I truly believe that, especially as society seeks green alternatives to old ways, such as ditching the incandescent light bulb.

luckyskindaguy said:

Do you have a tried and true cloning method yet?

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I'll be using rock wool cubes from Grodan at 1.5" x 1.5" and a propagation dome with adjustable vents. The rock wool cubes got here Friday, but the plant ain't ready yet. Since I'll be scrogging, I don't need a lot of clones. My goal is 5 healthy plants per grow. That should easily fill a 2' x 4.5' net with beautiful buds. It may actually be a couple of plants too many, we'll have to try and see. Whatever works and keeps me going with no down time waiting on plants to veg.

Serapis said:

I'll be using rock wool cubes from Grodan at 1.5" x 1.5" and a propagation dome with adjustable vents. The rock wool cubes got here Friday, but the plant ain't ready yet. Since I'll be scrogging, I don't need a lot of clones. My goal is 5 healthy plants per grow. That should easily fill a 2' x 4.5' net with beautiful buds. It may actually be a couple of plants too many, we'll have to try and see. Whatever works and keeps me going with no down time waiting on plants to veg.

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You gonna use any cloning gel? After struggling early, in my growing, to get my clones to take I found a sweet and EASY method that has worked 100% since I started using it. I will share, but only if you would like. Don't want to post unsolicited advice

luckyskindaguy said:

You gonna use any cloning gel? After struggling early, in my growing, to get my clones to take I found a sweet and EASY method that has worked 100% since I started using it. I will share, but only if you would like. Don't want to post unsolicited advice

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Of course I am lol... I didn't describe the entire process, but I can with pics when I take some cuttings. I have a bottle of cloneX.

Feel free to share your clone method. Post away...