NEW Closet Set Up for L.E.D. Stealth Grow
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Serapis
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Not from what I've seen in some journals. Watt for watt, I'm getting a much better yield with LEDS. I'm avoiding power usage spikes, heat and risk of fire. I'm barely pulling 4.5 amps for the entire closet, directly from the light socket with an adapter. You can't beat that. A lot depends on yield, genetics, how much wattage did you have? A simple 60w UFO ain't going to do it. You have to spend the money up front and hit those plants with all you can reasonably give them.
oOBe RyeOo
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How many grows have you done with led's?
Serapis
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One of the overheads arrived today. It is a 120W overhead panel with a hang kit. It is extremely bright when looking directly into it. I hung it using a swivel hook in the ceiling, which makes for VERY EASY adjustment of lights. I hung an 18" dog choker collar from the hook and am using an "S" hook to adjust heights.
Everything is ready to go. Waiting on seeds and one more overhead light. The humidity is staying at 40% steady with temp about 82. If I need humidity, I can crack open the lid on the water bubbler; see the condensation on the top of the lid in the picture? If the max humidity is 40%, I should be good.
The flowering chamber has an exhaust fan pass through to my master bathroom. I'm kind of concerned about the light. I'll keep the timer set to mostly daylight hours, but in summer, we get long days. I may have to get dark curtains. I'm still trying to decide how to get fresh air into the flowering chamber that is currently negative pressure and not light. I have a vent in shelve, but have closed it off because it was allowing too much light from lower nursery up into the flower chamber. I may take a pic of that and see if anyone has any ideas.
Here are some new pics. Nothing else to update until germination. The green lighting in the pics is my work light that will be in use in case I need to work in flower chamber after lights out. The green wavelengths are ignored by the green plants. Check out the water bubbler, got a long stone on the bottom connected to a air stone. Mixed 1 tsp per gallon of hydrogen peroxide as suggested to keep water healthy. The PH of water is about 6.5.
The more I think about it, the more this needs to be a hydro set up. I may have to try it one tray at a time and see how it goes. My first grow will be soil.
Everything is ready to go. Waiting on seeds and one more overhead light. The humidity is staying at 40% steady with temp about 82. If I need humidity, I can crack open the lid on the water bubbler; see the condensation on the top of the lid in the picture? If the max humidity is 40%, I should be good.
The flowering chamber has an exhaust fan pass through to my master bathroom. I'm kind of concerned about the light. I'll keep the timer set to mostly daylight hours, but in summer, we get long days. I may have to get dark curtains. I'm still trying to decide how to get fresh air into the flowering chamber that is currently negative pressure and not light. I have a vent in shelve, but have closed it off because it was allowing too much light from lower nursery up into the flower chamber. I may take a pic of that and see if anyone has any ideas.
Here are some new pics. Nothing else to update until germination. The green lighting in the pics is my work light that will be in use in case I need to work in flower chamber after lights out. The green wavelengths are ignored by the green plants. Check out the water bubbler, got a long stone on the bottom connected to a air stone. Mixed 1 tsp per gallon of hydrogen peroxide as suggested to keep water healthy. The PH of water is about 6.5.
The more I think about it, the more this needs to be a hydro set up. I may have to try it one tray at a time and see how it goes. My first grow will be soil.
nl3004.kind
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wait, you've got side lighting, one light for the top and just got seeds? wouldn't you want to have everything together? and what are you doing for cooling and res cooling? it seems like you're only half way there bro... nice setup, though, the parts that are there...
Serapis
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LOL... This has been a piece meal operation with many eBay vendors participating. The second over head is on it's way and should be here Monday, which is no big deal, as the seedlings will be under flouros the first 2 weeks. As for cooling, even though I don't think I need it with a LED and flouro combo room, I do have 6" duct intake with diffuser at floor level, and a wall pass through fan at the ceiling level exhausting the air. This results in negative pressure and the air is exhausted into my Master bathroom, which has 2 negative ion generators running and generating over 4 million negative ions per hour. I'm also running a negative ion generator next to Master bedroom door. If odor atoms get passed all my measures, I'll get some ONA gel.
This is a soil grow. Fox Farms soluble nutes arrived today, as did my yo yo hangers for the fluorescents. I also received 20lb of worm castings. They actually shipped it in a trash bag in a box. I've carefully analyzed with a magnifying glass and can't see any movement or bugs. I may wait to use the castings on my second grow. I'm only going to go with 5 seeds per grow and try to pick a nice mother with the best bubble gum traits. If one of them smells like Topps and has pinkish hues, call it mom, cause that is what I'm after. I'll start second batch of seeds when I get the first a couple of weeks into flowering. If everything goes ok, I want to be harvesting half of the flowering chamber every 4 weeks.
Thanks for the comments on the design and all. I think I overspent, but it's my first time and I really want to get it right and invest in good LED lights. With lights, hardware and odds and ends, I have spent about $1400. Those of you out there contemplating a closet, don't sweat that figure, you can grow with as little as some CFL bulbs and miracle grow potting soil with miracle grow bloom food at 12/12 if ya wanted and spend far less than I did. This just happens to be a nice size closet grow with the more expensive LEDs. I'm avoiding narco choppers from seeing a hot room on the view screen and using about a 1/5th of the power and only generating light that the plants can use.
I appreciate all comments, criticisms (keep them professional) and suggestions. For those that have never seen them, here is a pic of 5 Nirvana germination tabs that have been seeded.
oOBe RyeOo
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So, you're not in the US then I assume.
tendran
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Getting antsy. Eager to see what a real LED setup can do. Experimenting myself with small trained grows under far less wattage. I don't think the 4 panels are enough to flower proper though so I may cave and add 2x 125watt cfl's top center and angle the panels on either side as canopy lighting. If all goes well with the test plants in veg, I'll start a blue mystic mama while I sort out the kinks in the flowering area.
Keep it funky man. Can't wait to see some sprouts.
Keep it funky man. Can't wait to see some sprouts.
Serapis
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Thanks for the kind words, but if you are not going to go with quality LED's, please get CFL's or Flouro's instead. I would hate to see another LED trash post simply because the LEDs came from Sesame Street. I'm doing this grow and hoping to have something to hush up the 1000w hot closet growers.
Serapis
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My actual location is no one's business but my own. How you could come up with that conclusion based on a statement regarding a narco chopper with heat detection equipment is beyond me. There are plenty of places besides the US that a hot grow room detected by a chopper would not be in one's best interests.
Care full what you assume, as the first three letters of that word could end up being overly descriptive of you.
oOBe RyeOo
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Just think if they have to use the helicopter you're pretty much shit up a creek without a paddle because they already know what you're doing. Here in the US that's illegal unless they have a warrant. And the old saying is you make an ass out of you and me.
Might want to take a break and
then chill.
Serapis
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Just think if they have to use the helicopter you're pretty much shit up a creek without a paddle because they already know what you're doing. Here in the US that's illegal unless they have a warrant. And the old saying is you make an ass out of you and me.
Might want to take a break and
I appreciate your taking part in my thread, however I'm not here to discuss politics or police tactics. I also do not appreciate know it alls that pop into other's grow threads and drop their know it all opinions. If the police have a reason to be flying over your hood while going from point A to point B and your grow room shows up on their screen, you are screwed. First they are going to put you under surveillance. Then they are going to go through your trash looking for evidence. (Supreme Court has already ruled, you take it to curb, it is public domain) The fact is, your heat signature drew undue attention to yourself and now the police are looking for you to slip up. They call it stealth for a reason. Here are some other posts that you may just want to read and look at. Do not believe that the Bill of Rights protects you while committing crimes.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/f...2-question-police-thermal-imaging-camera.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/217425-how-police-ir-helicopter-functions.html
If the police are looking for a suspect at night in your neighborhood and are using the FLIR to locate them and your grow room shows up, you could possible be screwed. That is why it is one of MY concerns. The fact that you don't care is your business. Please keep your business out of my thread and not turn it into a legal tit for tat discussion.
badmanstar
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you very right in what your sayin.....on another note the room looks great mate, you've put alot of effort and planning i see....great
oOBe RyeOo
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These threads don't mean anything to me. Now if you googled some articles that have some facts based off of previous cases, you might be more persuasive. The second article tells you to not vent your air out of the house because flir does not pick up the lights just the exhausted heat. The cases that have proven the flir is not imposing on any rights have determined that any air vented outside the house was not part of your privacy because you didn't try to keep it private by not venting outside.
So all in all, don't vent outside and you should be good. I do understand that it never hurts to be over cautious, I'm not trying to be rude or anything and if I came off that way, sorry.
Serapis
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No worries. Your apology is humbly accepted. In my mind, it is better to be safe, than sorry. I understand the warrant requirements, but I also know from lawyer friends that cops cannot be trusted to tell the truth and to follow the law to do their job. Surely you have been to traffic court and had a or heard a cop tell the judge something you know to be false.
Back on topic.
My second overhead LED 120w panel is on it's way and should be here Monday or Tuesday. I've placed 5 of the seeds in germination tabs that Nirvana sells, that look just like peat tablets. Actually, that is all they are. 10 Peat tablets for $8.99! Just go to K-mart and get a seed starter kit that comes with a mini greenhouse for $6. It has been about 27 hours and I don't see anything yet. I did mist them with some of my aerated water, which I doubt they needed, but I wanted to make sure it stayed moist around the seed. I'm hoping to report on sprouts in next day or two.
A word about Nirvana seeds, because I'm getting private messages with questions, do they deliver in the USA? The answer is YES! they most certainly do!
It did take almost 16 days to get my seeds, however, I did get them about 6 days after my card was charged, so they shipped the germination kit and the soil tabs before they were paid. The shipping is stealthy. I would encourage everyone to NOT post how they received their seeds. I saw a post on these forums today where the poster described exactly how the seeds were hidden and shipped. That is NOT a good idea if you want Nirvana to keep shipping to the USA.That is all for now, thanks for stopping in and checking out my grow room design. I suppose I should start a grow journal once I have seedlings? I'd rather keep it here in this part of the forum.
Terente
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wow! really nice setup! 
I can't do nothing but admire your aesthetic sense. I try to do the same on a smaller scale, also switching on LED's for obvious reasons - no more excessive heat, no more exploding light bulbs, less money on bills, etc.
Suggestion: I managed to make the rooms (more) lightproof by adding on the vent grills (passive intake & between rooms) black cooker hood filter. I just stuffed it in 2-3 layers until the light dissapeared so now all the vent grills are completely "passive"
I'm not waiting for results, for I know you'll do just great! Good luck!
P.S.
Look how that guy did: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/152854-think-space-enough-grow-nice.html
I can't do nothing but admire your aesthetic sense. I try to do the same on a smaller scale, also switching on LED's for obvious reasons - no more excessive heat, no more exploding light bulbs, less money on bills, etc. Suggestion: I managed to make the rooms (more) lightproof by adding on the vent grills (passive intake & between rooms) black cooker hood filter. I just stuffed it in 2-3 layers until the light dissapeared so now all the vent grills are completely "passive"
I'm not waiting for results, for I know you'll do just great!
Good luck!P.S.
Look how that guy did: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/152854-think-space-enough-grow-nice.html
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