New England outdoors 2016

northeastmarco

northeastmarco

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thumper60 said:
to be honest I have not used coco where I had to dig,only in door an the swamps,whats great about coco it can stay wet an breath u no pro mix can get nasty if to wet.this year I did dig some holes,i will fill them 50-50 coco-promix an water polymers we will c:bigjoint:
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Those holes are easy now when saturated,come July/August same hole would be very difficult,lots and lots of clay.thats what makes my area tough,too much water or not enough ya never know.so I am trying these holes out,usually use grow bags and smart pots.
 
thumper60

thumper60

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northeastmarco said:
Those holes are easy now when saturated,come July/August same hole would be very difficult,lots and lots of clay.thats what makes my area tough,too much water or not enough ya never know.so I am trying these holes out,usually use grow bags and smart pots.
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I c ya coco does not like to get to dry,i use most of mine on bottem ofwhat ever iam growing in sits right in water iam almost growing hydro out there,not much watering just top dress:bigjoint:
 
GreenThumby

GreenThumby

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For you more experienced guys, Do you line your holes with garbage bags or other types of barriers to segregate the native soil with your soil mix? I saw a youtube tutorial where the guy uses heavy duty garbage bags and pokes holes in the bottom for drainage and roots to go through if they reach the bottom. It makes sense to do but also I can see the down-side to it.
 
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MjAeJdIiK

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GreenThumby said:
For you more experienced guys, Do you line your holes with garbage bags or other types of barriers to segregate the native soil with your soil mix? I saw a youtube tutorial where the guy uses heavy duty garbage bags and pokes holes in the bottom for drainage and roots to go through if they reach the bottom. It makes sense to do but also I can see the down-side to it.
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Just fill the hole back in with your choice of soil, I fell that a liner could lead to drainage issues. Orntry it on 1 or 2 and see if you notice any positive or negitave effects
 
GreenThumby

GreenThumby

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MjAeJdIiK said:
Just fill the hole back in with your choice of soil, I fell that a liner could lead to drainage issues. Orntry it on 1 or 2 and see if you notice any positive or negitave effects
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yeah, this year is my first grow so I'm treating it as an experiment. I'll try a couple different methods as you suggest and see how it goes. Definielty will make sure the bottom of the bag is WELL punctured with big holes for the roots to go through and avoid drainage issues with root rot.
 
Frajola

Frajola

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GreenThumby said:
For you more experienced guys, Do you line your holes with garbage bags or other types of barriers to segregate the native soil with your soil mix? I saw a youtube tutorial where the guy uses heavy duty garbage bags and pokes holes in the bottom for drainage and roots to go through if they reach the bottom. It makes sense to do but also I can see the down-side to it.
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I'm not an expert ( yet) lol, but I'm curious as we r all as well, growers, well... if u r going outdoors, how avoiding the roots going through the native soil would help?
Should the outdoor spot be dug, investigated and then re-filled w the a proper mix; therefore avoiding issues like drainage, contamination and even shedding away unwanted visitors? Personally, I would have an out door spot well dug and re-filed w my favorite mix w no barriers for rooting, I 'd use some native %age of clay as amendment, don't see why not. The rest is on mother nature's tab.
Ohh by the way u mention "It makes sense to do but also I can see the down-side to it." a down side to it could be ?? as I said I'm curious, lol.IMG_2094.JPG
peace&yield.
 
GreenThumby

GreenThumby

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Frajola said:
Ohh by the way u mention "It makes sense to do but also I can see the down-side to it." a down side to it could be ?? as I said I'm curious, lol.
peace&yield.
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The purpose of it is to keep the native soil out of your soil. This would help control pH from the native soil from changing your soil. Also maybe issues with washing out your soil's nutes. These are just educated guesses.
The downside could be poor drainage because of the bag, also it could block the roots from growing horizontally and hinder the taproot growth down.

I'm just asking here to see if anyone has done it before and if it's worth it. It's kind of like placing a pot ontop of the native soil but cutting off the bottom to allow the roots to grow into the native soil if they make it down that far.
 
Frajola

Frajola

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GreenThumby said:
The purpose of it is to keep the native soil out of your soil. This would help control pH from the native soil from changing your soil. Also maybe issues with washing out your soil's nutes. These are just educated guesses.
The downside could be poor drainage because of the bag, also it could block the roots from growing horizontally and hinder the taproot growth down.

I'm just asking here to see if anyone has done it before and if it's worth it. It's kind of like placing a pot ontop of the native soil but cutting off the bottom to allow the roots to grow into the native soil if they make it down that far.
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Got u , so I saw a few gardens out door some are given to mother nature and fuck it , and some is being aptly gardening by a old school grower and yes he had some tricks , he digs and re-mix the native soil w his mix which is nothing more than perlite,fibers, organics amendments and never worried about ph , drainage wasn't a issue either maybe due the bed , yes I know sounds fishy but ...., and he also built a box shape like over the hole ,like 1 1/2 feet higher than the ground with boards and stakes, kind of bed, and then fills the box w soil and mix. I saw the plants and they can't get better than that , believe me. 6 to 8 pounders plants.... If i had a out door spot wowwwww hell yeah.

peace & yield.
 
itslohkey

itslohkey

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GreenThumby said:
For you more experienced guys, Do you line your holes with garbage bags or other types of barriers to segregate the native soil with your soil mix? I saw a youtube tutorial where the guy uses heavy duty garbage bags and pokes holes in the bottom for drainage and roots to go through if they reach the bottom. It makes sense to do but also I can see the down-side to it.
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Up to you brother! Like MjAeJdIiK said it could lead to drainage issues, over here in NY it's rained everyday for the past couple days and a few more to come... It would be soup If I had lined my holes, and on the flip side... During dry season your soil could dry up quickly and roots wouldn't be able to find water. Of course that's depending on how far away your plants are from you and your source of water. I usually scout for a while and find some rich soil and drag up bags of perlite and peat moss and just mix with the soil as needed for drainage. About 3-5' holes and 18 inches deep for speedy root growth! The good part about a liner is you would have a more controlled grow but that also means more time up the mountain or wherever you are. Less trips is safer for me every 2 weeks I'll check on the girls for maintenance unless a dry spell is about and then its just a battle with good old mother nature. Best of luck to you with your first grow! Can't wait to see how it goes.
 
GreenThumby

GreenThumby

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itslohkey said:
Up to you brother! Like MjAeJdIiK said it could lead to drainage issues, over here in NY it's rained everyday for the past couple days and a few more to come... It would be soup If I had lined my holes, and on the flip side... During dry season your soil could dry up quickly and roots wouldn't be able to find water. Of course that's depending on how far away your plants are from you and your source of water. I usually scout for a while and find some rich soil and drag up bags of perlite and peat moss and just mix with the soil as needed for drainage. About 3-5' holes and 18 inches deep for speedy root growth! The good part about a liner is you would have a more controlled grow but that also means more time up the mountain or wherever you are. Less trips is safer for me every 2 weeks I'll check on the girls for maintenance unless a dry spell is about and then its just a battle with good old mother nature. Best of luck to you with your first grow! Can't wait to see how it goes.
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Thanks man. I'll keep you updated on how it goes. Check out my journal in my sig if you want to see how things are going.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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GreenThumby said:
The purpose of it is to keep the native soil out of your soil. This would help control pH from the native soil from changing your soil. Also maybe issues with washing out your soil's nutes. These are just educated guesses.
The downside could be poor drainage because of the bag, also it could block the roots from growing horizontally and hinder the taproot growth down.

I'm just asking here to see if anyone has done it before and if it's worth it. It's kind of like placing a pot ontop of the native soil but cutting off the bottom to allow the roots to grow into the native soil if they make it down that far.
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Dolomite lime throughout and as a top dress can be a good thing.
 
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