New oxygen technology in RDWC DWC pot grows

dstroy said:

It doesn't matter what's in the water when you electrolyse it.

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“I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T PRODUCE OXYGEN, OR THAT IT DOESN'T DO ITS' JOB WELL. I'M SAYING THAT IT'S A FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY.”

Like you said, this is the real stick in your eye about this thread.

Logan Burke said:

Or you are having issues with paranoia and distinguishing reality from your thoughts if you actually believe the government...

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No, no issues. I am older than you and I am not dying on the vine from a disease like you have. I have been around long enough to respect the laws of the land where I live.
How long have you had this debilitating disease?

Logan Burke said:

I can put it in a much less "illegal" way to make it more comftorble for you though...do you operate a hydroponic system? "Big brother" can not use that as evidence of any wrongdoings and hydroponic farming is quite common in the US; so to refuse to answer is a confirmation that you don't grow anything but the grass in your yard.

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Is there something about No that you misunderstood?

Logan Burke said:

Or you are having issues with paranoia and distinguishing reality from your thoughts if you actually believe the government is about to raid your house over conversations on a public forum about growing weed...LOL.

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Are you taking psychology in undergraduate school, chuckle, chuckle.

Logan Burke said:

I am in the bible belt, have been on this site for 3 years...so no, you don't grow, and that's your best excuse as to why you won't admit whether or not you do. I'm from a law enforcement family, and that my friend, is a 100% pure excuse to not answer my question.

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Answer is the same and has not changed -- no.

So why are you on this forum if you have no experience growing?

And do not plan on it?

J Henry said:

Are you taking psychology in undergraduate school, chuckle, chuckle.

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Personal/character assasination is a way of deflecting attention from responding to the issues and/or questions at hand. So, everytime you make an insult, it is actually your ego trying to protect itself from any form of humiliation.

Logan Burke said:

It's all good bud, just making sure...perhaps I'm just grouchy today? Lol, my apologies man.

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All good. Don't want people to be confused lol.

J Henry said:

Eureka! Now you cooking, you finally got your real feelings out, I bet you feel a lot better now, You.ve been tied up in a knot about this thread for days. Your been boiling and upset because you think even the cheapest little O2Grow rig cost too much, at least too much for you.
I am chuckling out loud reading this. Yep, I'm laughing at you Bud...

Oh, by the way, the O2 Grow device does not use tin oxide anodes.

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Instead of wasting money.......take a nylon stockings from the wife.......do it while she's gone so you don't get in trouble! Simply slide a 396 gph submersible pump into the stocking. Tie the end in a knot! Drop the pump I'd your Dwc bucket or tub.....and BOOM. As much oxygen as you need. Got my last pump used for 5 dollars..................

It doesn't matter what J Henry says, because there are scientific papers proving without a doubt that there will be side reactions with anything that is in the electrolyte.

It doesn't matter what the electrode composition is. All of them still produce ozone, the chemical reaction that takes place is not up for debate. It is very well understood. What isn't as understood is exactly what other things get produced which is why on a commercial scale these are used for their antimicrobial properties (ozone) on pure filtered water.

Trying to cherry pick things like ooooo NaCl is table salt and "I don't know anyone that puts that into their reservoir". It's in the tapwater, like everywhere. lol

Trying to argue against proven chemical reactions. lol

Tries to say it doesn't produce any ozone, without producing any independent studies that say it doesn't (it for sure does).

Didn't say anything about the components being of chinese origin (they are). Or what the electrodes originally intended application was (nothing to do with touching food I'm sure). I bet they didn't spend the money for platinum/graphite though HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

There aren't any product instructions on their website, but I'm pretty sure that they recommend that you keep your EC below a certain level because they know it precipitates nutrient salts out of solution (again another proven electrochemical process that he's trying to deny exists). lol

They don't own the patent btw, probably license it. I wonder if they'd produce the patent number if I asked. I bet they wouldn't.

Do you know why commercial hydroponics don't use this product?
a) It's ridiculously fucking expensive, and a waste of money.
b) It's cheaper to add venturi injectors that last decades vs. an electrode that needs to be replaced "every 1600 hours".
c) They have scientists that know that oxygenation of nutrient solution via electrolysis produces unknown (sometimes toxic) byproducts.
d) The air we breathe is generally considered safe, so why not use something that is free in a cheap manner to achieve the result you want.

He's arguing up a mountain of evidence with.... nothing.

You are absolutely right Dstroy, I have been glad that someone can beat him at his own game over and over so other new growers will know this is basically a marketing ploy. I hope you do a grow journal, if you ever do I'll be following.

J Henry said:

“I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T PRODUCE OXYGEN, OR THAT IT DOESN'T DO ITS' JOB WELL. I'M SAYING THAT IT'S A FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY.”

Like you said, this is the real stick in your eye about this thread.


No, no issues. I am older than you and I am not dying on the vine from a disease like you have. I have been around long enough to respect the laws of the land where I live.
How long have you had this debilitating disease?

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The fact that you said "dying on the vine" shows you don't even know about the Myasthenias Gravis that you googled about when I mentioned it. It's not a fatal disease....it CAN be fatal. Respiratory crisis is the closest to death it will bring you. Personally, I do not have or had any MG crisis events...my symptoms are just severe in my neck and arms enough that I can't work. Now, why are you on a forum for sharing experiences regarding the cultivation of plants, and in this specific sub-category, hydroponic growing if you do not and have not ever had any experience growing in any way? Unless you want to advertise and google all of your answers, and copy/paste from Wiki lol.
P.S. I've had this disease for a year and 4 months. I can tell you are trying to find a way to challenge the validity of such things to avoid the question of why are you on this forum? And bud, my dad was a federal U.S. Marshal and grandfather was the sherriff of my county...I know "the laws of the land". Posting "I grow weed" on a public forum isn't grounds for jack in a legal scope of view. Not even a little...like, not even in the slightest or close to...your age SHOULD make you more wise...

J Henry said:

“I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T PRODUCE OXYGEN, OR THAT IT DOESN'T DO ITS' JOB WELL. I'M SAYING THAT IT'S A FUCKING WASTE OF MONEY.”

Like you said, this is the real stick in your eye about this thread.


No, no issues. I am older than you and I am not dying on the vine from a disease like you have. I have been around long enough to respect the laws of the land where I live.
How long have you had this debilitating disease?

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You're a fuckin cunt! Why the fuck would you say something like that to someone? Upset that you've been proven to be a liar and thief? If you're so concerned and respect the law where you live why join a site about criminal activity? The only reason is to sell this $2000 piece of shit without paying to advertise. Congratulations on being the lowest for of human life. A thief, liar, and snitch!

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I charge $200 an ounce
Bud, this looks to me like you are clearly you are selling dope for $200/oz on this site to me.... Advertising selling dope on the internet, hmmm. That's not very bright, that reaches into interstate commerce on the internet, that touched Federal Drug Regulations, red flags, people looking, shame on you... you may need a lot of good luck on this one after such a stupid statement.

Great thread guys. Skepticism is the sword of truth

And I'm just gonna leave this here...

Lmfao nice HydroLynx!!

Iv spent a lot of time researching this subject, and diligently hunting for an actual cannabis grow with ZERO result, I think it will work.

The question is is it worth it? And I think that's a YES, too. Here's why.

I ve been saying it increases nutrient bioavailability, and here is the proof: https://www.just4growers.com/stream/...droponics.aspx

ALSO, smaller bubbles stay in suspension more than 4 hours, means you can eliminate a chiller, that alone means it could easily pay for itself.

I think any negatives can be mitigated by only running it for ~ 3-5 minutes before and after each flood

So, if one is running say the OxygenGrow system (UC on roids) it's unlikely you would 'need' it for DO, but if it really allows for a huge reduction in nutrients , say with a 20 gallon rez (~ 6 pots)), AND, make the nutrients more bioavailable, OR, that because the O2 stays in suspension you can eliminate a chiller, it could easily pay for itself. But then there's a whole nother potential use- drinking it to keep healthy or get healthy

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PetFlora said:

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are you J Henry's sock account?

don't you think if this pseudo science from o2grow increased yield by 2%, EVERY commercial hydroponic producer from apples to yams would use it?

PetFlora said:

Iv spent a lot of time researching this subject, and diligently hunting for an actual cannabis grow with ZERO result, I think it will work.

The question is is it worth it? And I think that's a YES, too. Here's why.

I ve been saying it increases nutrient bioavailability, and here is the proof: https://www.just4growers.com/stream/...droponics.aspx

ALSO, smaller bubbles stay in suspension more than 4 hours, means you can eliminate a chiller, that alone means it could easily pay for itself.

I think any negatives can be mitigated by only running it for ~ 3-5 minutes before and after each flood

So, if one is running say the OxygenGrow system (UC on roids) it's unlikely you would 'need' it for DO, but if it really allows for a huge reduction in nutrients , say with a 20 gallon rez (~ 6 pots)), AND, make the nutrients more bioavailable, OR, that because the O2 stays in suspension you can eliminate a chiller, it could easily pay for itself. But then there's a whole nother potential use- drinking it to keep healthy or get healthy

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You buy it.

All of that other bullshit pseudoscience is bullshit.

Your "proof" is some random grow site, and the link is broken

You will never be able to "decrease" the amount of nutrient you feed your plants in any really meaningful way while being able to achieve the best results for a given space because you're taking away potential chemical energy and should see a proportional decrease in production.

You achieve the best results by:

1. Providing the proper environment
2. Providing the proper nutrients in the correct amount at the correct time

People have an extremely hard time with number one and that's where most of the yield problems are.

People (observant people) generally don't make the same mistakes over/underfeeding for too long after a few grows because they begin to understand the feedback that the plant is providing them.

Until you master one and two, there is ZERO point in trying to add gimmicky things to your garden in an effort to increase yield.

Lets say that you have mastered 1 and 2, and then you decide that you want to try something. In this case, you know what you should yield without the equipment, THEN you can change variables and assign causality. But you can't do that, because you're not a master grower. I'm not one either.

Of course this is all true, but,

I equate electrolysis to supercharging an already high performance engine (F & D or HPA)= 600/800 hp

Does anyone need 600 hp on the streets, let alone 800? But there's no question the extra 200 hp can be felt in the eyeballs and 1/4 mile times. Another engine example is replacing conventional oil with synthetic oils which do a much better job lubricating, and last far longer than conventional motor oil (though IMHO the filter still needs frequent changing)

Another issue for me is where I live, summer temps are 90*+ for 5-6 months. I was not able to keep the room cool enough and the HPA root chamber RH stayed too hot, causing all kinds of problems. But, the experience showed what ~ 100psi did to create microbubbles, which enhanced root hair development. Nanobubbles would likely not improve on that, but in a F & D rez?

Rez temps: we know the warmer the solution the faster DO dissolves. In my room, without supplementing with blue ice paks every couple hours, the rez temp easily exceeds 80*s, which I think you'll agree is not good. So, IF the nanobubble DO stays in suspension (said to stay for many hours if undisturbed) then I eliminate that problem by simply running the electrolysis on a separate timer for ~ 5 minutes to saturate a ~ 10 gallon rez after each flood. So, over the course of 4+ months of a typical grow, the electrolysis allows me more freedom to be away for 3+ hours at a time, AND eliminate a chiller, which costs as much as the O2Grow, though I think Dennis is a BS artist. Yesterday I reached out to Ed Rosenthal (High Times) to see whether Dennis told the truth about Eds O2Grow enthusiasm

Anyway, these are my thoughts.

As to reducing EC, don't you use far less than soil growers? I can get pistils @ < 400ppm and keep flower nutes @ ~ 800 ppm//1.2ish EC at peak flower, which is ~ 30% less than other mediums. No?

Here's one plant from my recent harvest. Note the small rootball, but it's loaded with super efficient root hairs. I flood every 2 hours and run either a water fall into stones, or a fountain fitting every hour on a 450 gph pump

PetFlora said:

Of course this is all true, but,

I equate electrolysis to a 600 hp engine (HPA) to which a supercharger is added to increase to 800

Does anyone need 600 hp on the streets, let alone 800? But there's no question the extra 200 hp can be felt in the eyeballs and 1/4 mile times. Another engine example is replacing conventional oil with synthetic oils which do a much better job lubricating, and last far longer than conventional motor oil (though IMHO the filter still needs frequent changing)

and where I live, summer temps are 90*+ for 5-6 months. I was not able to keep the room cool enough and the HPA root chamber RH was too hot, causing all kinds of problems. But, the experience showed what ~ 100psi) did to create microbubbles which enhanced root hair development. Nanobubbles would likely not improve on that

Rez temp: we know the warmer the solution the faster DO dissolves. In my room, without supplementing with blue ice paks every couple hours, the temp easily exceeds 80*s, which I think you'll agree is not good. So, IF the nanobubble DO stays in suspension (said to stay for many hours if undisturbed) then I eliminate that problem by simply running the electrolysis on a separate timer for ~ 5 minutes to saturate a ~ 10 gallon rez. So, over the course of 4+ months of a typical grow, the electrolysis allows me more freedom to be away for 3+ hours at a time.

Anyway, these are my thoughts.

As to reducing EC, don't you use far less than soil growers? I can get pistils @ < 400ppm and keep flower nutes @ ~ 800 ppm//1.2ish EC at peak flower, which is ~ 30% less than other mediums

Here's one plant from my recent harvest. Note the small rootball, but it's loaded with super efficient root hairs. I flood every 2 hours and run either a water fall into stones, or a fountain fitting every hour on a 450 gph pump

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Everything you just said was complete nonsense. You can't compare apples to oranges, the drag racing analogy makes zero sense and doesn't correlate to anything plant related.

I do use less nutrient than some methods, but not by an appreciable amount 1.6EC.

The warmer the solution the faster the DO reaches equilibrium, not "dissolves", it's already dissolved.

An ideal, completely controlled environment would take you farther than adding this piece of equipment.

Yeah yeah, great, you grew a plant. How about a whole plant pic pre harvest? Does it look bad or something?

I'm not poking fun, because I grew some shitty plants as well. But I learned from my mistakes from careful observation, which you seem to have a lot of trouble with and constantly look for bandaids to fix fundamental problems with your environment or nutrients.

rkymtnman said:

are you J Henry's sock account?

don't you think if this pseudo science from o2grow increased yield by 2%, EVERY commercial hydroponic producer from apples to yams would use it?

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We both share the skepticism. i have searched diligently to find someone using it to no avail, BUT, my chief interest is rez temps and DO in suspension. Anything else would be a bonus