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Fogdog

Fogdog

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londonfog said:
I'm not deflecting shit maybe you to slow to understand the irony. You ask me why I support a racist
,I turned the shit back on you and you call it a personal attack. You stupid funny
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Seriously. I'm not attacking you. I see a contradiction in your reasons and am asking for a clarification.

Sanders history shows he is as racist in his actions an speech as any other candidate. You rejected other candidates for being racist. What is different about Sanders?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Fogdog said:
Seriously. I'm not attacking you. I see a contradiction in your reasons and am asking for a clarification.

Sanders history shows he is as racist in his actions an speech as any other candidate. You rejected other candidates for being racist. What is different about Sanders?
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Check yourself before you even attempt to check me
You support a racist and a race baiter here. Even when UB is dead ass wrong you get on your knees to make him right. I suggest you fuck with someone else for I have ZERO respect for the likes of you. Now that's me being nice about it
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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londonfog said:
Check yourself before you even attempt to check me
You support a racist and a race baiter here. Even when UB is dead ass wrong you get on your knees to make him right. I suggest you fuck with someone else for I have ZERO respect for the likes of you. Now that's me being nice about it
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OK, so you say I support unclebuck. I don't know uncle buck and I did not agree with his post about you. I'm not a crusader who crashes in on the conversation between two adults, especially you, who is obviously able to defend himself. Did you want me to patronizingly white knight for you?

OK, I will:

That comment was wrong of Buck to make. @UncleBuck , your post about @londonfog having a blaccent was wrong and embodied the kind of racism I reject.

I'll stop now because this post is probably already too long for you to follow.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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londonfog said:
When they lose thier job they will be grateful. Cadillac health ard is only good when you can keep that job. Most jobs do not last forever. They seem to understand that and voted Bernie. You seem to not
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Well, if they still have their job in November, most won't vote for him.

I work in a union shop. Most of them have had their jobs for over a decade and earn six figures. They care about their take home pay and retirement account balance. I know one person who won't vote for Trump and it is largely due to LGBT issues.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Fogdog said:
OK, so you say I support unclebuck. I don't know uncle buck and I did not agree with his post about you. I'm not a crusader who crashes in on the conversation between two adults, especially you, who is obviously able to defend himself. Did you want me to patronizingly white knight for you?

OK, I will:

That comment was wrong of Buck to make. @UncleBuck , your post about @londonfog having a blaccent was wrong and embodied the kind of racism I reject.

I'll stop now because this post is probably already too long for you to follow.
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No dont need you helping shit
Also dont need the bullshit you came in with when I was explaining to UB about S-Corp and how to use a tax break. We were not both fucking right, but since you support a racist race baiter at all cost. You play nice with him. You scared of UB or something. Again check yourself before you attempt to check me
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Unclebaldrick said:
Well, if they still have their job in November, most won't vote for him.

I work in a union shop. Most of them have had their jobs for over a decade and earn six figures. They care about their take home pay and retirement account balance. I know one person who won't vote for Trump and it is largely due to LGBT issues.
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Sure they wont they only voted for him in the caucus. Dumbest shit I've heard today. Whilst Trump wants to do away with Unions and supports right to work states. GTFO. Save that shit for some who can't think
 
Fogdog

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londonfog said:
No dont need you helping shit
Also dont need the bullshit you came in with when I was explaining to UB about S-Corp and how to use a tax break. We were not both fucking right, but since you support a racist race baiter at all cost. You play nice with him. You scared of UB or something. Again check yourself before you attempt to check me
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Agree. You don't need my white knighting for you. So I didn't. I don't understand why that hurts your feelings but I didn't go there, you did. I'm not going to insult you by stepping in to defend you. I also have not agreed with what Buck said. Did I "like" his post? I don't think I did.

Getting back to my very objective question regarding the contradiction in your explanation for supporting Bernie. He's done nothing as a legislator. At all. So, his record, I guess is clean when it comes to civil rights issues. He has said racist as fuck things in his speeches and black activists in his state have complained that they feel invisible to him. These are objective, verifiable facts and not an attack on you.

You ruled out other candidates for being racists. What's different about Bernie?
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Fogdog said:
Something happens when people join Bernie's cult. They lose the ability to grasp facts and deflect to personal attacks rather than discuss Sanders obvious deficiencies.

Why is that?
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This sounds like the same thing they say about Elon Musk......while he keeps winning...Elon Musk for pres
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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doublejj said:
This sounds like the same thing they say about Elon Musk......while he keeps winning...Elon Musk for pres
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I'm OK with people talking about and disagreeing on issues. That's what I'm here for.

I don't know if Musk is going to make it. He has tons of debt and a recession can sink him as surely as a rock tied to his ankle will if he's trying to swim in the deep end. But, he has the advantage in a disruptive market and I won't bet against that. I don't think the big automobile makers have a winning strategy against him. His main advantages are time, a grip on disruptive technology and the willingness of others to bankroll him, for now. I've said before, he can succeed. Mostly, because the established automakers are burdened with size and profits that come for a declining technology.

Bernie isn't anything new and hasn't much time to change his path heading into the Democratic Convention. Without a majority or nearly so, he won't have enough delegates to force his nomination through. A brokered convention is not a good scenario for Bernie. Your analogy is not wrong but it's not completely true either.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Fogdog said:
I'm OK with people talking about and disagreeing on issues. That's what I'm here for.

I don't know if Musk is going to make it. He has tons of debt and a recession can sink him as surely as a rock tied to his ankle will if he's trying to swim in the deep end. But, he has the advantage in a disruptive market and I won't bet against that. I don't think the big automobile makers have a winning strategy against him. His main advantages are time, a grip on disruptive technology and the willingness of others to bankroll him, for now. I've said before, he can succeed. Mostly, because the established automakers are burdened with size and profits that come for a declining technology.

Bernie isn't anything new and hasn't much time to change his path heading into the Democratic Convention. Without a majority or nearly so, he won't have enough delegates to force his nomination through. A brokered convention is not a good scenario for Bernie. Your analogy is not wrong but it's not completely true either.
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I believe your underestimating both Elon & Bernie...
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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londonfog said:
Sure they wont they only voted for him in the caucus. Dumbest shit I've heard today. Whilst Trump wants to do away with Unions and supports right to work states. GTFO. Save that shit for some who can't think
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You have really gotten to the point of personally attacking those who disagree with you - something that has become sadly common among the Bernie faithful. I have been very clear about supporting the Democratic nominee if it is Bernie. I strongly support universal healthcare.

But I don't support Bernie for the nomination for two reasons: I don't think he can beat Trump, and I don't think he has a chance to pass his agenda.

Apparently, my lack of purity now makes me the sworn enemy of the faithful. Whatever. I know that 95% of the union workers I work with won't vote for Bernie. The facts are your real enemy, not me. Glad you found something to believe in.
 
Fogdog

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doublejj said:
I believe your underestimating both Elon & Bernie...
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I believe that you believe what you believe.

I'm not saying Elon can't, I'm not convinced but not willing to say he can't take his company past the big automakers and into a better future.

I am convinced that Bernie can't win a large enough plurality to win the nomination. I've given my reasons and willing to let others pick them apart. If we just want to trade opinions, you have mine and I'll read yours. Predicting the future is hard.
 
londonfog

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Unclebaldrick said:
You have really gotten to the point of personally attacking those who disagree with you - something that has become sadly common among the Bernie faithful. I have been very clear about supporting the Democratic nominee if it is Bernie. I strongly support universal healthcare.

But I don't support Bernie for the nomination for two reasons: I don't think he can beat Trump, and I don't think he has a chance to pass his agenda.

Apparently, my lack of purity now makes me the sworn enemy of the faithful. Whatever. I know that 95% of the union workers I work with won't vote for Bernie. The facts are your real enemy, not me. Glad you found something to believe in.
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If you dont want to feel attack dont comment to me with dumb opinionated bullshit.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Fogdog said:
I believe that you believe what you believe.

I'm not saying Elon can't, I'm not convinced but not willing to say he can't take his company past the big automakers and into a better future.

I can't say I'm sure but I am convinced that Bernie can't win a large enough plurality to win the nomination. I've given my reasons and willing to let others pick them apart. If we just want to trade opinions, you have mine and I'll read yours.
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that's really all we are doing here....trading opinions
 
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