New Zealand to change gun laws

Will the US ever get serious about effective gun control?

  • Yes, the will of the majority of people demands it

    Votes: 8 25.8%

  • No, the NRA and the gun lobby will never allow it

    Votes: 23 74.2%
  • Total voters
    31
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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gwheels said:
New Zealand is doing the right thing. A long time ago there was a massacre in Australia and they banned a lot of guns...since then no massacres.

Guns are tools to kill things. They have always been tools to kill things or to use as a forced to take things from others.

Pretty simple fact. Hard for many to get but simple. Like common sense really.

Why is it so hard to understand. And for the good of the many the few sometimes must surrender things. Welcome to civilization...
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Would you be in favor of using guns to take guns away from your peaceful neighbor who refuses to be disarmed?
 
Hydro4life

Hydro4life

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Jimdamick said:
Well, this a OP that is working well, if I must say so myself.
Good arguments made from every aspect.
But, it's time to harvest for me, so I'm outta here for now and this is the 1st lamb to the slaughter.(Super Silver Haze, shit pic, my phone sucks)

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See, I actually do grow (not like most, me thinks)

See ya later amigos, and please remember, we're all here on this site because we are basically kindred spirits, ones that are not boxed in by societies declared norms, so please leave the fuck you's at the door.(Let the Republicans do that shit, we're better than that)

That would be nice. :)
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Very nice jimdamick!!
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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crimsonecho said:
If a person has guns, how can that person be considered as peaceful? Truly peaceful people dont need guns.
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i own three firearms, and have never shot anyone. they're fun to shoot, at targets...and i used to hunt, for food, not trophies, before my health deteriorated. i own a bow, and have never shot anyone with it...same deal^
i've practiced martial arts for 25 years, wado ryu and escrima, i can fight pretty effectively with a rope, a belt, a stick, a staff, or my hands and feet...
objects are inert...the intent of the user makes them harmless or harmful...
there are acceptable uses for firearms, and unacceptable uses...
there are some weapons that are acceptable, to me, anyway, and some that aren't....a pistol, shotgun, or rifle that hasn't been modified to kill people expressly...that has a moderate ammo capacity, and a reasonable rate of fire, are acceptable to me.
ammunition that hasn't been designed to penetrate police body armor is ok...ammunition designed to cause maximum damage isn't....no reason any private citizen needs any of that...targets don't wear armor, and doing maximum damage to the deer you're hunting is counter productive...
trust me, if you end up having to shoot an intruder in your home, 6 rounds of ball ammo delivered with a steady hand to the main body mass will put them down...you do not need 34 rounds of silver tips interspersed with jacketed steel slugs....why not throw some WP rounds in there?.......and a small tactical nuke?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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crimsonecho said:
If a person has guns, how can that person be considered as peaceful? Truly peaceful people dont need guns.
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Thank you for asking a polite and reasonable question.

I am a peaceful person, I have a few guns. Being a peaceful person means you don't initiate OFFENSIVE FORCE, it doesn't mean you will not use DEFENSIVE force to repel offensive force. A person who won't use defensive or offensive force, is a pacifist.

Not all peaceful people have guns, gun ownership isn't the defining characteristic of whether a person is peaceful or not. Using offensive force is the defining characteristic if a person isn't peaceful .


If you are a peaceful person and another person comes to you and begins shooting at you, while you were minding your own business, which person broke the peace ? Would it matter if the person shooting at you was a cop?
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i own three firearms, and have never shot anyone. they're fun to shoot, at targets...and i used to hunt, for food, not trophies, before my health deteriorated. i own a bow, and have never shot anyone with it...same deal^
i've practiced martial arts for 25 years, wado ryu and escrima, i can fight pretty effectively with a rope, a belt, a stick, a staff, or my hands and feet...
objects are inert...the intent of the user makes them harmless or harmful...
there are acceptable uses for firearms, and unacceptable uses...
there are some weapons that are acceptable, to me, anyway, and some that aren't....a pistol, shotgun, or rifle that hasn't been modified to kill people expressly...that has a moderate ammo capacity, and a reasonable rate of fire, are acceptable to me.
ammunition that hasn't been designed to penetrate police body armor is ok...ammunition designed to cause maximum damage isn't....no reason any private citizen needs any of that...targets don't wear armor, and doing maximum damage to the deer you're hunting is counter productive...
trust me, if you end up having to shoot an intruder in your home, 6 rounds of ball ammo delivered with a steady hand to the main body mass will put them down...you do not need 34 rounds of silver tips interspersed with jacketed steel slugs....why not throw some WP rounds in there?.......and a small tactical nuke?
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Using your "logic"...

Would it be okay with you, if other people decided you didn't need to be such a well trained martial artist, capable of ripping my heart out right through my thickly furred chest and maybe "we", "society" cut off one of your arms so you wouldn't be so lethal ?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
Thank you for asking a polite and reasonable question.

I am a peaceful person, I have a few guns. Being a peaceful person means you don't initiate OFFENSIVE FORCE, it doesn't mean you will not use DEFENSIVE force to repel offensive force. A person who won't use defensive or offensive force, is a pacifist.

Not all peaceful people have guns, gun ownership isn't the defining characteristic of whether a person is peaceful or not. Using offensive force is the defining characteristic if a person isn't peaceful .


If you are a peaceful person and another person comes to you and begins shooting at you, while you were minding your own business, which person broke the peace ? Would it matter if the person shooting at you was a cop?
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You’re not peaceful you’re a racist
 
BostonBuds

BostonBuds

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i own three firearms, and have never shot anyone. they're fun to shoot, at targets...and i used to hunt, for food, not trophies, before my health deteriorated. i own a bow, and have never shot anyone with it...same deal^
i've practiced martial arts for 25 years, wado ryu and escrima, i can fight pretty effectively with a rope, a belt, a stick, a staff, or my hands and feet...
objects are inert...the intent of the user makes them harmless or harmful...
there are acceptable uses for firearms, and unacceptable uses...
there are some weapons that are acceptable, to me, anyway, and some that aren't....a pistol, shotgun, or rifle that hasn't been modified to kill people expressly...that has a moderate ammo capacity, and a reasonable rate of fire, are acceptable to me.
ammunition that hasn't been designed to penetrate police body armor is ok...ammunition designed to cause maximum damage isn't....no reason any private citizen needs any of that...targets don't wear armor, and doing maximum damage to the deer you're hunting is counter productive...
trust me, if you end up having to shoot an intruder in your home, 6 rounds of ball ammo delivered with a steady hand to the main body mass will put them down...you do not need 34 rounds of silver tips interspersed with jacketed steel slugs....why not throw some WP rounds in there?.......and a small tactical nuke?
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Zero to do with the 2nd Amendment. And "targets don't wear body armor" ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
You’re not peaceful you’re a racist
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Aren't you the guy that wants to take guns away from black people so they can't defend their own property ?

Would you have been in favor of disarming Jews in Germany too, to make it easier to load them on trains ?

I'm not a racist, although I could be a speciest, you dirty Feciest.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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crimsonecho said:
I’m happy to see you find it funny. I find you funny too. Maybe we should be lovers.

Pffft who cares about you. You cannot debate shit. You just attack.

Anycase, my life is better than yours and i’m not like you, so no insults from me.
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What’s up daddy not spank you hard enough today. Your life must be shit to make you this angry and shouty.
 
Hydro4life

Hydro4life

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Rob Roy said:
Aren't you the guy that wants to take guns away from black people so they can't defend their own property ?

Would you have been in favor of disarming Jews in Germany too, to make it easier to load them on trains ?

I'm not a racist, although I could be a speciest, you dirty Feciest.
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Unclebucks not a racist. He hates everyone equally haha.
 
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