New Zealand to change gun laws

Hydro4life said:

The offer sounds to me like they will become illegal in New Zealand to have these firearms. We are OFFERING to buy them off you now before they become illegal. An offer is an option. Do you not agree?

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TacoMac said:

No, we are not. When are you EVER going to learn to read. The point of this thread is: New Zealand has changed it gun laws, do you think the U.S. will ever change its?

It's at the top of the page in BRIGHT GREEN TEXT.

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scumrot derelict said:

You're the type of asshole that would defend Michael Jackson as "just a dude that enjoyed a child's company!" and then say CNN is a propaganda network who is trying to "systematically advocate the coup of a duly elected President."

I don't like you.

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Rob Roy said:

The threat of making tools for self defense, guns, illegal is the part that should be considered. It's a wrongful and inconsistent act.

Also, when you say "we" are offering, where does "we" get the money from to buyback guns and will "we" use guns to get that buyback money if it isn't handed over meekly ? Much irony there, eh?

I do not intend to let anybody restrict me when my actions are not wrongful, but might be deemed "illegal". Good people disobey bad laws, for instance I would have hidden a runaway slave in my attic even though it would have been illegal for me to do so..

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scumrot derelict said:

"That perfect liberty they sigh for-- the liberty of making slaves of other people-- Jefferson never thought of; their own father never thought of; they never thought of themselves, a year ago." -- Abraham Lincoln

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Rob Roy said:

Abe Lincoln was a douche bag hypocrite, as was Thomas Jefferson. Keep trying.

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Rob Roy said:

The threat of making tools for self defense, guns, illegal is the part that should be considered. It's a wrongful and inconsistent act.

Also, when you say "we" are offering, where does "we" get the money from to buyback guns and will "we" use guns to get that buyback money if it isn't handed over meekly ? Much irony there, eh?

I do not intend to let anybody restrict me when my actions are not wrongful, but might be deemed "illegal". Good people disobey bad laws, for instance I would have hidden a runaway slave in my attic even though it would have been illegal for me to do so..

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Hydro4life said:

"We are offering" (the New Zealand government) and I imagine they will enforce it just as/how they would of any other illegal possession?
So I take it from your post you don't like it?

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Rob Roy said:

If I lived in New Zealand I would be unhappy about the latest government plan to use offensive force to do things which would be wrong if you or I did the same thing.

In other words, won't the government use guns to get the money to "buy back" guns ? yes

Won't the government use / threaten offensive force with guns against peaceful gun owning people who refuse their "offer" ? yes

If you or did those things, would be wrong ? yes So what makes it okay for other people who call themselves government to do it ?

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Rob Roy said:

If I lived in New Zealand I would be unhappy about the latest government plan to use offensive force to do things which would be wrong if you or I did the same thing.

In other words, won't the government use guns to get the money to "buy back" guns ? yes

Won't the government use / threaten offensive force with guns against peaceful gun owning people who refuse their "offer" ? yes

If you or did those things, would be wrong ? yes So what makes it okay for other people who call themselves government to do it ?

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

well, except that that has been a complete and total abysmal failure...if that had an ice cubes chance in hell, we wouldn't be having this conversation...people would have already given up their weapon...they have absolutely no intention of doing so.

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Grandpapy said:

Not really what one would call a proactive step. In a truly civilized world all tools would be available all, the notion of using it on your fellow man is the failing. Hatred and fear is a learned.

"mommy why are you talking to strangers?"

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Hydro4life said:

The heading at the top of the page says "New Zealand to change gun laws" and it's in black buddy.

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crimsonecho said:

Again i’m not saying they will voluntarily at this point of our evolution as you, @Roger A. Shrubber, named it but the concept of “civilization” at this point is not a voluntary process either. Its based on a set of rules that needs to be implemented by an armed authority. So make rules and implement it. Again when the concept you created adopts a violent methodology to oppress and force citizens to obey why not apply the same methodology to implement another law? These are not my ideals, i declared my ideals in prior posts. I’m just saying, can goverments ban ownership of weapons and implement this law with its repressive apparatuses? Yes. Human toll? Well yeah but do you think no law had taken its toll on the citizens. How many murdered by violent methodology used by the police to implement the laws of the state up until this point? Again not my ideals, just making an observation about “civilization”. When its not voluntary, when it doesn’t abolish hegemony of a person or a group over citizens its not true civilization and nothing is voluntary for many and the hegemony is still there, protected by repressive and ideological state apparatuses. Really the civilization at this point is a form of oppression.

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TacoMac said:

You are without doubt the most ignorant person I've ever come across. That is the HEADING LEAD IN, not the ENTIRE SUBJECT, hence the poll which is the subject.

Retard.

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crimsonecho said:

Again i’m not saying they will voluntarily at this point of our evolution as you, @Roger A. Shrubber, named it but the concept of “civilization” at this point is not a voluntary process either. Its based on a set of rules that needs to be implemented by an armed authority. So make rules and implement it. Again when the concept you created adopts a violent methodology to oppress and force citizens to obey why not apply the same methodology to implement another law? These are not my ideals, i declared my ideals in prior posts. I’m just saying, can goverments ban ownership of weapons and implement this law with its repressive apparatuses? Yes. Human toll? Well yeah but do you think no law had taken its toll on the citizens. How many murdered by violent methodology used by the police to implement the laws of the state up until this point? Again not my ideals, just making an observation about “civilization”. When its not voluntary, when it doesn’t abolish hegemony of a person or a group over citizens its not true civilization and nothing is voluntary for many and the hegemony is still there, protected by repressive and ideological state apparatuses. Really the civilization at this point is a form of oppression.

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

that's fascism. look it up, pretty much the dictionary definition...

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Hydro4life said:

Who cares anyway haha. Have you got an opinion on Jacinda Ardens potential gun law change in New Zealand TacoMac?

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

that's fascism. look it up, pretty much the dictionary definition...

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TacoMac said:

She didn't do anything we haven't already done. Problem is every time it gets done the next elected official undoes it.

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crimsonecho said:

Show me how your civilization differs from a fascistic one. I’m not disputing that it is fascism. It is. The system is structured in a fascistic manner masquerading as libertarian. The illusion of freedom keeps citizens docile. Docile people obey. On a bigger scale its easier to keep them docile and make them obey semi-voluntarily rather than using repressive state apparatus to keep every individual in check. Tho how voluntary can a choice be when made by people who has no other choices. Its very debatable. How many of them know about marxist theory for example when making a choice in favor of a specific way of governing over another. As i told you, for most, civilization is not a voluntary process. It is fascistic to subject people to a definiton of civilization and punish them when they fail to obey. This is just how it is. Not my ideals. I told you i’m a anarcho-communist with a pacifist methodology. I don’t condone any fascist practices.

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