Newbie lst advice (pics included)

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pingerau

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Hey peeps. Just a few quick questions.

Background:
Mary has been in flowering 12/12 light cycle for about 2 weeks now and she has just shown signs shes a female. She is in a 3 gallon pot with regular soil from kmart which apparently had slow release nutrients in it so atm no nutrients has been added. She is under 3x 25w 2700k 1x 25w 6700k cfl about 3-4in away max.

Ive read LST should be done during veg stage so will this cause any problems being that she is just starting to flower ?
should the light cycle be changed ?
should i switch it all back to majority 6500k bulbs?
and im open for any tips and advice from ppl :) Thanks for your time.

**Pics Below**

Before LST:
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AFTER LST:
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Gioganja

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while most opt to LST their plants while in the veg cycle, what you've done is acceptable; just expect an extra week on flowering time if you continue your light cycle.

Actually, I think you should continue it; changing back and forth can hurt your yield in some cases.
 
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pingerau

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Would continuing the 12/12 cycle reduce yield?if it doesn't mean it'll reduce ill just keep it in the flowering cycle as time isn't on my side here.
Would it be bad that it got lst'd after work today, had about 2houts of light while bent and now its back in darkness to be consistent with the 12/12 cycle.
Should nutes be added soon? Thanks for replying guys
 
trichromalicious

trichromalicious

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If you continue 12/12 the plant will finish smaller with less bud because the plant is starting its flower stage as a small plant. The plant roughly doubles in size during flower. If you start flower with a 3 foot monster it will finished a even bigger monster with huge buds. You want to flower with the intentions of maximizing the use of your grow space. If you have a little cab with a 4 foot ceiling then you better flower early, use LEDs, and be doing LST/HST, to fill the space horizontally. I think you should start the plant on some low nutrients. I see a spot of yellow on a lower leaf that looks like the start of nitrogen deficiency.
 
lordjin

lordjin

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With fluoros and soil, you're on a slower roll, so what is your big hurry flowering her at such a young age? Your first priority should be keeping it low and trying to make it bushy so fewer cfls can penetrate deeper into her. Allowing the same light to hit your lower branches as your main top is the goal of lst/scrog. This is the best way for a low-wattage grower to increase yield. You were right to start doing that train, but should have kept it in veg while doing so.

As another stated, the smaller the plant when you flower, the smaller the overall yield.
 
sully

sully

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Could someone offer me some opinions of what type of training or pruning was done to this plant (picture is from sannies of their Kronocaine). Lst, topping, fimming, all of the above etc.? Whatever it is it's massivekronocaine-shop.jpg. Thanks in advance.
 
lordjin

lordjin

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sully said:
Could someone offer me some opinions of what type of training or pruning was done to this plant (picture is from sannies of their Kronocaine). Lst, topping, fimming, all of the above etc.? Whatever it is it's massiveView attachment 1847233. Thanks in advance.
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that's a single monster plant scrog. Probably topped it a number of times.
 
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pingerau

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lordjin said:
With fluoros and soil, you're on a slower roll, so what is your big hurry flowering her at such a young age? Your first priority should be keeping it low and trying to make it bushy so fewer cfls can penetrate deeper into her. Allowing the same light to hit your lower branches as your main top is the goal of lst/scrog. This is the best way for a low-wattage grower to increase yield. You were right to start doing that train, but should have kept it in veg while doing so.

As another stated, the smaller the plant when you flower, the smaller the overall yield.
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The reason I put her into flowering so small is because of the grow box I've got and thinking she would triple in size I wouldn't have the room but then I started to read about lsting and was still a little concern about the width of the grow box as well. Ill upload a pic and show

Also I wont be here in late December so I thought I might be able to harvest before I leave.

I know I've made some mistales but i do have a couple of babies still in veg stage which I intend on vegging much long and bigger I'll start them on lst now so I get it correct this time :)

Edit * ill have to upload the pic after work. My phone doesn't seem to have the upload function.
 
lordjin

lordjin

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pingerau said:
The reason I put her into flowering so small is because of the grow box I've got and thinking she would triple in size I wouldn't have the room but then I started to read about lsting and was still a little concern about the width of the grow box as well. Ill upload a pic and show

Also I wont be here in late December so I thought I might be able to harvest before I leave.

I know I've made some mistales but i do have a couple of babies still in veg stage which I intend on vegging much long and bigger I'll start them on lst now so I get it correct this time :)

Edit * ill have to upload the pic after work. My phone doesn't seem to have the upload function.
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Oh, I see. Okay then, what you're doing isn't too bad based on your background info.

Yes, by all means, apply anything you learn on the fly to those babies still in veg.

Hope you'll get some bud out of that little flowering girl before you have to leave.
 
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pingerau

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:) Thanks mate.

here are some updated pics and also a pic of the grow box. it does look dodgy in the set up but it is all secured.

Surprised how over one night the top went from being bent on an angle to the facing upright again.

Another couple of questions.

should any of the bigger fan leaves be trimmed off to allow more light to penerate through or should the lights that arnt suspended be placed so they are not lighting from a top angle and more directly into the middle stem part ?

Is it too late to also take clones from her ?

it had 3x 2700k 25w cfl but one of them has broken so would it be ok for the time being to replace the broken one with a 6500k cfl 25w ?

**pics**

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lordjin

lordjin

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pingerau said:
:) Thanks mate.

here are some updated pics and also a pic of the grow box. it does look dodgy in the set up but it is all secured.

Surprised how over one night the top went from being bent on an angle to the facing upright again.

Another couple of questions.

should any of the bigger fan leaves be trimmed off to allow more light to penerate through or should the lights that arnt suspended be placed so they are not lighting from a top angle and more directly into the middle stem part ?

Is it too late to also take clones from her ?

it had 3x 2700k 25w cfl but one of them has broken so would it be ok for the time being to replace the broken one with a 6500k cfl 25w ?

**pics**

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That plant is still too young and tender to cut for clones. There just isn't enough vegetation yet.

You shouldn't cut anything off that plant at this stage of growth.

That shot of the plant surrounded by lamps looks crazy. Just keep the plant low and stick a light right next to its underside. You'll get your lower branches out a bit that way.

It's a very healthy looking little plant btw.
 
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pingerau

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Thanks lordjin.
Wont take a clone till she's much bigger and move a light so its right next to her underside.
Youve been much help and its greatly appreciated. :)
 
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pingerau

Member
lordjin said:
You're welcome, pal.
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What's funny was when u said it looks healthy,the next day i found clear signs of fungus gnats. Lol
I've just flushed her with eco neem and now letting the soil dry out abit before next watering so hopefully this fixes the problem.
If not I'm thinking if trying the hydrogen peroxide method.
 
lordjin

lordjin

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pingerau said:
What's funny was when u said it looks healthy,the next day i found clear signs of fungus gnats. Lol
I've just flushed her with eco neem and now letting the soil dry out abit before next watering so hopefully this fixes the problem.
If not I'm thinking if trying the hydrogen peroxide method.
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Oh, that nasty soil. A good reminder of why I switched to hydro... Actually I started with hydro.

Hope the neem does the trick. It should.
 
bamfrivet

bamfrivet

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I drilled a bunch of holes into the rims of my pots so I have multiple places to tie off to train my plant. A good way to train your plants for cfl is to wrap the plant around the rim of the pot. When you do this while it's in veg it encourages more "tops" or bud sites to appear because more light is available to the plant. That's why you see people with short bushy plants like in the picture you posted.

You can still LST while in flowering, but you need to do it as early in as possible since the stem will start to get harder as it gets further into flowering and you risk breaking your plant if your to rough with it. I don't know if LST now will give you more bud sites, but it's a good way to get more light to the tops that you will have since you are using CFL.
 
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