newbie trying to find the best path...SOG...

strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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I've been researching cannabis cultivation for a few months now, was leaning towards scroging, but I now really am falling in love with the concept of SOG.

This will be my first grow so I have to start from seed. with that being said I now might get my chance to scrog the mother. I will be vegging under t5, but flowering under hps... idk yet if I am going with 3 400 watts 2 600 or 1 big boy 1000.

I haven't decided yet if I should make the room 2x5 or 3x5.

So any suggestions from experienced growers as far as which size room would be best for sog, and with which light setup ( 3 4oo's 2 600's or 1 1000)

Also before I sog I have to grow a mother from seed, would scrog be good for a mother plant, or is scrogg just good for the flowers???I also dnt have a lot of money to spend on seeds I just want one or two feminized for cheap...what places online sale single seeds for cheap???
 
kali kid greenthumb

kali kid greenthumb

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strengthngrowth said:
I've been researching cannabis cultivation for a few months now, was leaning towards scroging, but I now really am falling in love with the concept of SOG.

This will be my first grow so I have to start from seed. with that being said I now might get my chance to scrog the mother. I will be vegging under t5, but flowering under hps... idk yet if I am going with 3 400 watts 2 600 or 1 big boy 1000.

I haven't decided yet if I should make the room 2x5 or 3x5.

So any suggestions from experienced growers as far as which size room would be best for sog, and with which light setup ( 3 4oo's 2 600's or 1 1000)

Also before I sog I have to grow a mother from seed, would scrog be good for a mother plant, or is scrogg just good for the flowers???I also dnt have a lot of money to spend on seeds I just want one or two feminized for cheap...what places online sale single seeds for cheap???
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First welcome to the adventures of cannabis cultivation:weed:

The T5 lighting is good for veg 1ft away from the canopy but watch it daily she grows 1-2.5 inches a day in a good environment. With that small of a space I would just do the one 1000 watt HPS since you need to save money, 3 lights equals 3 ballast ,3 bulbs,there are dual ballast for the 2 600's but then again you want to save money. Sog is okay to go with remember its a bunch of small plants meaning more pots and more work honestly unless you have a drip feed drain to waste system then go for it ,scrog in most cases produces the same if not more with less plants because more of the plant is receiving direct light . As far as your Mother plants I would look into super cropping or other LST methods so you can make her into a big bush for plenty of clones!! Check out my postings and see my mother plant and my semi-scrog I honestly got lazy but after the 4th run I just know how she grows!!
 
calicocalyx

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SOG for yield with respect to veg time. If that's your route then you don't need a bigger light to penetrate foliage as your plants aren't going to be that tall. 2 600's is a bigger canopy/footprint as compared to 1 1000 watt. 3 400's is even wider footprint but you'll want shorter plants. Go at least 3 x 5 cause you'll fill it. I center mine at 4 x 4 but I have multiple 1000 watters and I grow 1 or 2 plants per light. The space you describe is probably only gonna need 1 light. You'll probably want at least an oscillating fan in there plus room to work. SOG means access to clones or a space dedicated to mother plants unless you grow out a mother then cut her to bits and root them etc..
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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thanks kali, and calico....yea kali the reason why I wanna run t5 is to my understanding your plants don't grow as fast as they would under hid, and with a sog I shdnt need much light penetration with 3 weeks veg and the 432 not so hot watts shldn't be a huge strain on temps and electric bill...

cali that's xactly what I was thinking as far as footprint, plus 3x400= more than that big boi 1000 but I wanted to hear frm more xperienced growers....after a while I plan on replacing soil growing to dwc or flood n drain, but I got to get my skills up first...

I just left attitude seeds and picked 3 strains....
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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should I begin with the 3 seedlings vegging under hid???to supercrop,lst,and scrogg....and oh "pluck clones"
if so how should I set that up??? 1 400 watt maybe???or 1 over each plant???or stick with the t5's???
 
nomofatum

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With your new perpetual requirement:
3x5 Flower space
600w HPS + 200w T5/T8 (100w of UVB 10% bulbs, 100w of cool white/5000k-6500k)

If you want to go perpetual you will need a separate mom space. Find a small closet or something you can use. You need space for a cloner and space for moms. To fit in a small space you can install a shelf and put your cloner under the shelf and install florescent lights on the bottom of the shelf. Mom's and main lights go in space left above the shelf. Main lights can be florescent 5000k-6500k or MH, about 200w of either will work for bushy fast clone production. You should be able to do this with 1 or 2 nice moms. It would be best if you can raise or reduce your light from 100w to 250w, this will allow you to reduce light when if they are growing too fast, or increase light when you need more clones fast or want a new mom to grow fast.

For your first grow I would start all 3 seeds, grow until large enough to take enough small cuttings to fill your SOG and still survive as a mom. Keep the 3 moms' babies separated from each other. Run for 1-2 weeks at 18/6 in your flower room for first run since clones are smaller than your future run clones will be. Then go to flower.

When your first run is about 3 weeks from harvest, look for a runt, an under-performer, toss the mom of the runts. A week later you will want to take your larger clones off the remaining 2 moms so they will be rooted and ready to swap in right after harvest. Get more seeds and keep 1-2 good mom's and 1 new mom going so you can find new and better moms but keep your best 1 or 2.
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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thanks nomofatum...very informative... I've read over like 5 times. you sure helped me, and hopefully many others wanting to start a perpetual sog.

so you say I should flower under t5 and hps???

and can I make this a 2 week perp harvest??? I just hear 2 week perp so much that's what's got me hooked on sog...
 
nomofatum

nomofatum

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strengthngrowth said:
so you say I should flower under t5 and hps???

and can I make this a 2 week perp harvest??? I just hear 2 week perp so much that's what's got me hooked on sog...
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Yes, but there are many other options that will work as well, it's about how much of what color light, not the light type.

The nice thing with T5 or T8 is you can find the 10% UVB bulbs and mix them in for extra frosty buds. Otherwise you end up using CFLs for that. Oh, one note, look at the reflector on your fixture where you put the UVB bulbs, the reflector will only reflect UVB if it's foil/aluminum, not white.
 
FranJan

FranJan

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First off, what strain are you growing? You need to select a mother first because of the way you want the plants to grow, i.e. one big cola with no side branching on an 8 week schedule in a classic SoG. Plan on growing several different plants to find the one with the growth structure you're going to need to need. That can be a very difficult time consuming part that isn't talked about alot.

Second, I don't know what your status is but go see what the penalties are for the amount of plants you plan on growing. 99+ plants is a Federal offense I believe. And they don't care about the size of them, except in states like NY where you get charged with possession along with growing and intent to distribute. Triple jeopardy there.

3rd. Read the thread below if you haven't already. All of it. He is the man when it comes to Sogging. If you want to see the pictures you can go to the internet time machine and find them otherwise tell Sunni about the missing pix and she might have time to fix it for you. She knows about Al B's missing pix in his old threads.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/get-a-harvest-every-2-weeks.6592/

I loved running a SoG but got too paranoid once the numbers went over 100. SoGs are fun and everyone should run them once but if you don't have license to do it you could be fucked. Maybe you should run a perpetual grow of several larger plants? That's what I do now.

Good Luck. Be SAFE. And Happy Growing!
 
nomofatum

nomofatum

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If you want to make it a 2 week you just take less clones at a time and have 4 SOG setups in the room, fill one every two week, harvest one every 2 weeks. Will take 6 weeks before you fill the room that way.
 
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schuylaar

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strengthngrowth said:
I've been researching cannabis cultivation for a few months now, was leaning towards scroging, but I now really am falling in love with the concept of SOG.

This will be my first grow so I have to start from seed. with that being said I now might get my chance to scrog the mother. I will be vegging under t5, but flowering under hps... idk yet if I am going with 3 400 watts 2 600 or 1 big boy 1000.

I haven't decided yet if I should make the room 2x5 or 3x5.

So any suggestions from experienced growers as far as which size room would be best for sog, and with which light setup ( 3 4oo's 2 600's or 1 1000)

Also before I sog I have to grow a mother from seed, would scrog be good for a mother plant, or is scrogg just good for the flowers???I also dnt have a lot of money to spend on seeds I just want one or two feminized for cheap...what places online sale single seeds for cheap???
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:lol:
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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nomofatum said:
If you want to make it a 2 week you just take less clones at a time and have 4 SOG setups in the room, fill one every two week, harvest one every 2 weeks. Will take 6 weeks before you fill the room that way.
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thanks that's exactly what I was thinking "after you shut me down on your reply on my other thread"
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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nomofatum said:
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The nice thing with T5 or T8 is you can find the 10% UVB bulbs and mix them in for extra frosty buds. Otherwise you end up using CFLs for that. Oh, one note, look at the reflector on your fixture where you put the UVB bulbs, the reflector will only reflect UVB if it's foil/aluminum, not white.
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I def would love to know more about the uvb bulbs, any direction??? the fixtures that i have been watching, do have foil/aluminum reflectors.thanx!!
 
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schuylaar

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strengthngrowth said:
thanks that's exactly what I was thinking "after you shut me down on your reply on my other thread"
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grow one plant, soil, start to finish pics and then we'll tell you what we think..but you'll already know..easier said than done.

it's frustrating for the forum to give "personalized" instruction on advanced technique when you have yet to master a single plant.

you will freak when you destroy it by accident 2 weeks out of harvest and all you're bud is fried yellow-orange from over-nuting, unsmokable.

listen to me..just grow a few plants first, to feel the ride.
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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thanks franjan. I don't plan on having such a large number of plants I only house a 3x5 room.what are the number of plants that I can fit in there as far as plnt per sq inch???ive heard 1 per, & up to 4 per sq.
the strains I picked are all indica dom, and are supposed to be short
 
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schuylaar

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strengthngrowth said:
thanks franjan. I don't plan on having such a large number of plants I only house a 3x5 room.what are the number of plants that I can fit in there as far as plnt per sq inch???ive heard 1 per, & up to 4 per sq.
the strains I picked are all indica dom, and are supposed to be short
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you're welcome!
 
strengthngrowth

strengthngrowth

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schuylaar said:
grow one plant, soil, start to finish pics and then we'll tell you what we think..but you'll already know..easier said than done.
listen to me..just grow a few plants first, to feel the ride.
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I just might,but I will be kicking my own ass if I nail that shit.
if I do will you follow n help me if I screw it up???
 
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schuylaar

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strengthngrowth said:
I just might,but I will be kicking my own ass if I nail that shit.
if I do will you follow n help me if I screw it up???
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maybe..take one seed and pop her..stick in the soil tail down (make certain you water around seedling like bullseye) and under the T-5..post a pic.. do you know how to pop?
 
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