VictorVIcious
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I believe they might pass it this time, they know its going to happen in Michigan and it being introduced in Minnesota again as well. VV
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VictorVIcious
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Just a reminder, this article is from 2006. $100,000,000,000.00 being spent on nursing home care for alzhiemers disease. WOnder what the savings could be. The Scripps Research Institute VV
Kassidy
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Check this out all you Missourians Cheif Wana Dubie is one the ballot for state Gov!!!!
STLtoday.com - Political Fix - Blog Archive - Dubious bid? Pot advocate running for governor
VictorVIcious
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It's funny, every political view has been unpopular at some point in our history. I think you have too have some of that 'Showtime' style, just to get noticed. Would EvilKnevel have been such a spectacle without it? It is funny, you can't be a Libertarion(sp) with out being for Liberties. For everyone! Ron Paul didn't shy away from this issue. I hope the folks in Missouri can be persuaded to make this an 'issue' that States have to address. Thanx for the post. VV
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Growing a pot movement - Editorials
Growing a pot movement
Tomorrow's Hash Bash needs a student revival
By Daily Editorial Staff on 4/4/08
The story of Hash Bash began in 1969 with the absurd. Arrested for possession of two joints, Hill Street resident John Sinclair was sentenced to prison for nine and a half to 10 years in prison under Michigan's draconian drug laws. Two years later, students and Ann Arborites rallied together for a "Free John Now Rally" at Crisler Arena. The event showcased the who's-who of left-leaning artists, including legends John Lennon and Stevie Wonder. Three days after the rally, the Michigan Supreme Court released Sinclair, striking down Michigan's marijuana laws as unconstitutional.
When the state legislature replaced the laws with more lenient (but still unnecessary) drug laws, activists responded in protest - a tradition that continues on the first Saturday of every April. Unfortunately, apathy - and bad weather - have extinguished much of Hash Bash's atmosphere on its last few anniversaries. Few students attend the event, and instead locals who remember the glory days when 15,000 people packed Crisler Arena to free Sinclair fill the Diag.
But it shouldn't be that way. Grassroots efforts like Hash Bash are a major reason for Ann Arbor's lenient marijuana laws, and should be a continued priority. Here, marijuana possession is considered a misdemeanor, with a $25 penalty for a first offense, $50 for a second and a $100 for all subsequent offenses. Further, because of a 2004 ballot initiative, medical marijuana is legal in the city, at least according to the city code. Both of these are positive reforms that shouldn't be kept inside the bubble of Ann Arbor.
Nationwide, our strict marijuana laws continue to make little sense - with criminalization causing much more harm than legalization ever would. In 2005 alone, it was estimated that more than 600,000 arrests were made in connection with the marijuana market. Billions of dollars go to arresting, processing and prosecuting anyone with marijuana, from casual smokers to dealers. These people crowd America's already-jammed jails and prisons, contributing to America's status as the world leader in incarceration rates. And all of this for a drug that is no more damaging than cigarettes or alcohol and certainly not a threat to public safety or health.
At tomorrow's Hash Bash, the event's 37th anniversary, Sinclair may return to Ann Arbor from his home in Amsterdam to revitalize the event. But the movement to change America's illogical drug laws will need more than an aging hippie to spearhead the effort. Students should turn out tomorrow at "high noon" for Hash Bash - not as an excuse to wear that T-shirt with a pot leaf on it and get high, but because the Diag can be a place to make a difference.
Whoever wrote this article has it right. Whats in your closet, middle class America, come out, stop waiting for the old hippies to do it, get on your suit and tie if you must, but show up. A2 has parking for 100,000+ support staff for their football games, the weather is supposed to be decent, and possesion first offence is a $25.00 fine and they take your pot, so only have a little on you. Since it's a misdemeanor, this does not give them a valid reason for a search of your vehicle. Or mine lol. If you live within 150 miles of Ann Arbor, work one day for the cause. 3 hours to get there, couple of hours spent with some nice folks, and three hours back. A turn out of 10,000 should really get the conversations going just before 4/20. PLEASE. VV
Growing a pot movement
Tomorrow's Hash Bash needs a student revival
By Daily Editorial Staff on 4/4/08
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The story of Hash Bash began in 1969 with the absurd. Arrested for possession of two joints, Hill Street resident John Sinclair was sentenced to prison for nine and a half to 10 years in prison under Michigan's draconian drug laws. Two years later, students and Ann Arborites rallied together for a "Free John Now Rally" at Crisler Arena. The event showcased the who's-who of left-leaning artists, including legends John Lennon and Stevie Wonder. Three days after the rally, the Michigan Supreme Court released Sinclair, striking down Michigan's marijuana laws as unconstitutional.
When the state legislature replaced the laws with more lenient (but still unnecessary) drug laws, activists responded in protest - a tradition that continues on the first Saturday of every April. Unfortunately, apathy - and bad weather - have extinguished much of Hash Bash's atmosphere on its last few anniversaries. Few students attend the event, and instead locals who remember the glory days when 15,000 people packed Crisler Arena to free Sinclair fill the Diag.
But it shouldn't be that way. Grassroots efforts like Hash Bash are a major reason for Ann Arbor's lenient marijuana laws, and should be a continued priority. Here, marijuana possession is considered a misdemeanor, with a $25 penalty for a first offense, $50 for a second and a $100 for all subsequent offenses. Further, because of a 2004 ballot initiative, medical marijuana is legal in the city, at least according to the city code. Both of these are positive reforms that shouldn't be kept inside the bubble of Ann Arbor.
Nationwide, our strict marijuana laws continue to make little sense - with criminalization causing much more harm than legalization ever would. In 2005 alone, it was estimated that more than 600,000 arrests were made in connection with the marijuana market. Billions of dollars go to arresting, processing and prosecuting anyone with marijuana, from casual smokers to dealers. These people crowd America's already-jammed jails and prisons, contributing to America's status as the world leader in incarceration rates. And all of this for a drug that is no more damaging than cigarettes or alcohol and certainly not a threat to public safety or health.
At tomorrow's Hash Bash, the event's 37th anniversary, Sinclair may return to Ann Arbor from his home in Amsterdam to revitalize the event. But the movement to change America's illogical drug laws will need more than an aging hippie to spearhead the effort. Students should turn out tomorrow at "high noon" for Hash Bash - not as an excuse to wear that T-shirt with a pot leaf on it and get high, but because the Diag can be a place to make a difference.
Whoever wrote this article has it right. Whats in your closet, middle class America, come out, stop waiting for the old hippies to do it, get on your suit and tie if you must, but show up. A2 has parking for 100,000+ support staff for their football games, the weather is supposed to be decent, and possesion first offence is a $25.00 fine and they take your pot, so only have a little on you. Since it's a misdemeanor, this does not give them a valid reason for a search of your vehicle. Or mine lol. If you live within 150 miles of Ann Arbor, work one day for the cause. 3 hours to get there, couple of hours spent with some nice folks, and three hours back. A turn out of 10,000 should really get the conversations going just before 4/20. PLEASE. VV
VictorVIcious
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Congressman Barney Frank - Representing the 4th District of Massachusetts I received this link which give us the information about Rep. Barney Franks bill, Ron Paul is co-sponsoring this bill. Of course the prohibitionist are going to paint this as an attempt to Legalize it. Call all of your federal representative, we all have at least three, two Senators and our local Representative in the house, and simply ask them to support this bill. It's helpful to draw analogies that are dollar oriented, not pro-pot oriented. Ask them to have one of their staffers research the information provided by LEAP. This bill, while it is a far cry from what I would like to see, should be the beginning of the end of "Big Brothers" reign of terror. We need to let our Representative know that we consider this an issue that should be decided by the states. VV
Kassidy
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Hey VV have you seen this commercial yet? Anyways its complete bullshit, i hope it doesnt stop the MM bill from being passed in Michigan.
Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care
Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care
VictorVIcious
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We know what is coming, I actually welcome this type of advertising. Anyone iwth a brain will see this for what it is, just another lie, trying to say "Smoked Marijuana". planting the idea its like tobacco. All of the information to show these types of things as lies is there and the recent introduction of Barney Franks bill will kill them on this. Every person that has every smoked it will be thinking about a contact high not that its evil. Thanx for keeping me informed. ANd kick Gov Pawlenty's ass out of office. VV
Seamaiden
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VV! You're kicking linkage ASS! 
Whoa..! I missed this one. My grandmother has Alzheimer's, as does my ex-father-in-law (who's also former LAPD homicide dick, emphasis on the "dick"). They believe all the rhetoric and misinformation about weed, yet accept cigarettes and alcohol. Those two items alone, in my opinion, completely negate all arguments against allowing those of us who prefer weed to those to use.
Whoa..! I missed this one. My grandmother has Alzheimer's, as does my ex-father-in-law (who's also former LAPD homicide dick, emphasis on the "dick"). They believe all the rhetoric and misinformation about weed, yet accept cigarettes and alcohol. Those two items alone, in my opinion, completely negate all arguments against allowing those of us who prefer weed to those to use.
VictorVIcious
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I am telling you everyone is really missing on the alcohol front. One of hte arguments put forth by the DEA is that the person drinking the glass of wine may actually be improving their health. Arrticles came out last year saying women that average between on and two drinks a day increase thier risk of cancer by a factor of 10, they are 10 times more likely to get cancer than women that don't average a drink a day. He states, with absolutly no back up that most alcohol use is in moderation. If that's the case why are we constantly being told to drink but do it in moderation. Many of these ads just like the ones about gambling responsible, are paid for with your tax dollars.VV! You're kicking linkage ASS!
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DrugSense FOCUS Alert #364 - Friday, 25 April 2008
This week the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times featured a
drug war debate between Jacob Sullum, who needs no introduction; and
Charles "Cully" Stimson who was a local, state and federal
prosecutor, a military prosecutor and defense attorney, and a deputy
assistant secretary of Defense. Currently, he is a senior legal
fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
The series is MAP archived as follows:
Monday's DUST UP http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n414/a05.html
Tuesday's DUST UP http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n415/a09.html
Wednesday's DUST UP http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n418/a05.html
Thursday's DUST UP http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08/n421/a02.html
Friday's DUST UP http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v08.n426.a01.html
Besides being targets for letters to the editor the series provides
arguments we are likely to see as efforts are made for and against
initiatives which will be on the ballot in various states.
Tuesday's DUST UP about medical marijuana presents arguments we may
see about the Michigan initiative
http://StopArrestingPatients.org/ Already one Detroit TV station
has been broadcasting anti-initiative ads you may see at
http://stoparrestingpatients.org/video.html
The other OPEDs present arguments we may see used for or against the
California's initiative, the Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act
of 2008 http://www.drugpolicy.org/statebystate/california/nora/
What happens on Election Day is up to you. If you are not registered
to vote, there are websites that provide help, like Rock the Vote at
http://drugsense.org/url/Ylqy68Vz
If you have followed this post this far you are probably wondering where the fellow from the DEA gets his information. He acts like alcohol is good for us. Scare tactics, costs to society? Not one logical argument, and many that contradict his other statements. If this were an 'actual debate' this guy should have been 'hacked'. His 'grey market' statement explained for meaning, would go like this, "So let me see if I have this right?? The reason to not tax and regulate drugs is because you will create this 'grey market' and not everyone will want to pay the tax, so you will still have the same problem you have with the 'black market' the current system creates?? It just won't be as lucrative as the 'black market'. Wouldn't that mean the terrorist would get less money? And we would collect the tax for most of it? And not have to spend billions on 'enforcing the unequal drug laws'.
Well, I do have to get something else done today. VV
Kassidy
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that guy, "Cully", is an idiot. I still dont understand why marijuana is ranked next to heroin. Every time i hear someone who supports marijuana prohibition always bring up marijuana and heroin. Your right too he neglects to bring up the violence and deaths associated with alcohol.
Another thing too, you guys in Minn. and Mi. and other states with MM on the upcoming ballot consider yourself lucky!!
Another thing too, you guys in Minn. and Mi. and other states with MM on the upcoming ballot consider yourself lucky!!
VictorVIcious
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The part that people miss is that heroin and morphine and cocaine are all availible by prescription. I know this is true in Michigan. And that is controlled by the states. As are speed , methanphetimens etc.
The ballot initative has more to do with hard work the luck, and its not done yet. Minnesota's Governor has vowed to veto any Medical Marijuana bill. If your State has the ballot initative available (22 states do) that is the way to get it done. VV
The ballot initative has more to do with hard work the luck, and its not done yet. Minnesota's Governor has vowed to veto any Medical Marijuana bill. If your State has the ballot initative available (22 states do) that is the way to get it done. VV
Kassidy
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your right that is a good point, he forgets to mention all the methadone clinics, and all the children prescribed amphetamines and methamphetamines. Also there are lots of people here very hard at work to get it on the ballot, I know i will see it here in the next few years. Espically with the chance of the tthree states that touch me are also working on passing it.
VictorVIcious
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Michigan to vote on legalizing marijuana for medical use
This is the first balanced article I have seen from this newspaper, they even allowed an answer to the 'Marinol' argument. VV
This is the first balanced article I have seen from this newspaper, they even allowed an answer to the 'Marinol' argument. VV
VictorVIcious
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Drug War Draft on House floor
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:07:51 -0400
From: Tom Angell <tom@ssdp.org>
To: Kris Krane <kris@ssdp.org>
Kris,
Check out Rep. Yvette Clarke's statement on the floor of the House last night. Her staff told me they loved the Drug War Draft video!
Tom
[Congressional Record: April 23, 2008 (House)]
[Page H2632]
THE DRUG CONVICTION QUESTION AND FEDERAL STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Clarke) is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. CLARKE. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, both the Washington Post and the New York Times reported that under the Bush administration the military has increasingly granted so-called "conduct waivers" to allow more people with criminal records, including drug convictions, to serve in the Armed Forces. As a matter of fact, conduct waivers granted for felonies and other crimes constitute the majority of all waivers, about 60 percent for the Army, and 75 percent for the Marine Corps.
It is important to note that the vast majority of such convictions stem from juvenile offenses, but at the same time, a provision of the Higher Education Act, which Congress is currently in the process of reauthorizing, bars young people with drug convictions from receiving Federal financial aid to go to college. I find it absolutely alarming that the Bush administration seems to think that youth who are prone to youthful indiscretions and get into trouble with drug use are, on the one hand, not worthy of Federal support to obtain a college education, but on the other hand, are perfectly fit to go and to fight the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Because of what many have termed the "Drug War Draft," countless students with minor drug convictions are turned away from the university financial aid office only to be funneled across the street to the military recruiting office. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving young people with past drug convictions an opportunity to redeem themselves in service to our country by joining the armed services, it is a moral outrage that current law blocks redemption through educational opportunities to these same individuals.
When asked about the conduct waivers, the Army's Operations Chief Lieutenant General James Thurman stated, "You've got to give people a opportunity to serve." Well, I thoroughly agree with the general, people should be able to contribute to this society in whatever way they best can, whether by enlisting in the military or by enrolling in school and obtaining the skills needed to become productive members of our workforce, our communities, and by extension, our Nation.
I am a long ways from being a young college student, this group has done a lot of work and deserves our support. VV
Subject: Drug War Draft on House floor
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:07:51 -0400
From: Tom Angell <tom@ssdp.org>
To: Kris Krane <kris@ssdp.org>
Kris,
Check out Rep. Yvette Clarke's statement on the floor of the House last night. Her staff told me they loved the Drug War Draft video!
Tom
[Congressional Record: April 23, 2008 (House)]
[Page H2632]
THE DRUG CONVICTION QUESTION AND FEDERAL STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Clarke) is recognized for 5 minutes.
Ms. CLARKE. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, both the Washington Post and the New York Times reported that under the Bush administration the military has increasingly granted so-called "conduct waivers" to allow more people with criminal records, including drug convictions, to serve in the Armed Forces. As a matter of fact, conduct waivers granted for felonies and other crimes constitute the majority of all waivers, about 60 percent for the Army, and 75 percent for the Marine Corps.
It is important to note that the vast majority of such convictions stem from juvenile offenses, but at the same time, a provision of the Higher Education Act, which Congress is currently in the process of reauthorizing, bars young people with drug convictions from receiving Federal financial aid to go to college. I find it absolutely alarming that the Bush administration seems to think that youth who are prone to youthful indiscretions and get into trouble with drug use are, on the one hand, not worthy of Federal support to obtain a college education, but on the other hand, are perfectly fit to go and to fight the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Because of what many have termed the "Drug War Draft," countless students with minor drug convictions are turned away from the university financial aid office only to be funneled across the street to the military recruiting office. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving young people with past drug convictions an opportunity to redeem themselves in service to our country by joining the armed services, it is a moral outrage that current law blocks redemption through educational opportunities to these same individuals.
When asked about the conduct waivers, the Army's Operations Chief Lieutenant General James Thurman stated, "You've got to give people a opportunity to serve." Well, I thoroughly agree with the general, people should be able to contribute to this society in whatever way they best can, whether by enlisting in the military or by enrolling in school and obtaining the skills needed to become productive members of our workforce, our communities, and by extension, our Nation.
I am a long ways from being a young college student, this group has done a lot of work and deserves our support. VV
Kassidy
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Yea i am feeling this one first hand VV! I am currently going to college and i have to pay for all of my classes, in fact here in WI they are passing a state wide law that wont allow anyone with a drug convection get finical aid. I was busted with a dime bag probably 3 or 4 years ago and because of that i have been refused federal aid, in fact just for this semester i have to pay 3500 for 5 classes! which is considerably cheaper then if i went to the Private University down the road. Which i was accepted. I was looking at joining the USMC right out of high school and they guy told me that he could have my criminal record wiped clean if i joined. I tell you what though, i am happier paying for my classes then being in the service.
medicineman
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I tell you what though, i am happier paying for my classes then being in the service.
Especially with this un-holy war going on. IEDs have no conscience.
Especially with this un-holy war going on. IEDs have no conscience.
VictorVIcious
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New York Benefit to Celebrate Recent Medical Marijuana Successes : NewsLI.com - Long Island News, News Long Island
Several Celebrities, I would love to see Montel Williams. VV
Several Celebrities, I would love to see Montel Williams. VV
VictorVIcious
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Cut cannabis use by selling it at the post office: expert - National
This Guy makes a lot of sense. I am going to show this one to Postie, he will think it is a great idea. Probably volunteer to be a quality control engineer. LOL VV
This Guy makes a lot of sense. I am going to show this one to Postie, he will think it is a great idea. Probably volunteer to be a quality control engineer. LOL VV
mockingbird131313
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You would cut consumption because the lines move so slow at the post. But, pushers are always in a hurry.