NHL Lockout

Steve French

Steve French

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Well it's official now.




CBA expires with no agreement reached

Sunday, 09.16.2012 / 12:05 AM / News
NHL.com



The Sept. 15 deadline for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement between the National Hockey League and National Hockey League Players' Association passed without an agreement being reached.

As a result, training camps will not open until agreement on a new CBA is reached.

Executives from the NHL and NHLPA last met Wednesday, when proposals for a new CBA were exchanged. An agreement was not reached and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said Saturday no formal negotiating sessions are scheduled.

"We spoke [Saturday] and determined that there was no point in convening a formal bargaining session in light of the fact that neither side is in a position to move off of its last proposal," Daly said. "I'm sure we will keep in touch in the coming days and schedule meetings to the extent they might be useful or appropriate. We are sorry for where we are. Not what we hoped or expected."
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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Here we go again. Because hockey has just so many fans I'm sure this won't be detrimental to the sport.:roll:
Greed, It's wonderful.
 
TheMan13

TheMan13

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Thanks for the hat trick Bettman! Two decades of leadership and now three lost seasons. It is really time for the owners, players and fans to give this clown the boot!
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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Ice tea said:
I think they should cancel the NHL for good and make a world hockey league
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In concept that is a great idea. Logistically it would be a nightmare. It will not and can not be done. Not until we invent transporters.

I wish hockey players and owners knew their place in sports. As much as I love hockey I know on the list of popularity it is just below competitive cow tipping and their salaries/prices should reflect this. They have absolutely no right to be arguing over anything money related.
 
backyardagain

backyardagain

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The fact the the past 7 years they have been making nore and nore and yet the owners wants players to take a pay cut so the owners can get nore money. Out a 12mil deal your lucky to get 8 out of it. Depeing on singing bounsess. Its not the the pkayers are wanting more money and its not like they cant afford it wonder where all the money goes when they cant even fulfill the deal your on. If they have or find a reason to get you off the team they will.
 
backyardagain

backyardagain

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The fact the the past 7 years they have been making nore and nore and yet the owners wants players to take a pay cut so the owners can get nore money. Out a 12mil deal your lucky to get 8 out of it. Depeing on singing bounsess. Its not the the pkayers are wanting more money and its not like they cant afford it wonder where all the money goes when they cant even fulfill the deal your on. If they have or find a reason to get you off the team they will.

Lil more ecplaniton im not putting all the blame on owners but both can give a lil ot frrzze where they are at.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/ygo-frontpage/lp/story/us/2648673/coke.bp;_ylt=A2KL8wiL_VVQw1UAXAkp89w4;_ylu=X3oDMTFzdGIyZjZzBGNwb3MDNgRjc2VjA21vYmlsZS10ZARpbnRsA3VzBHBrZwNpZC0yNjQ4NjczBHBvcwMxBHNsawN0aHVtYg--?ref_w=frontdoors&view=today&.tsrc=yahoo&.intl=US&.lang=en
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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The only problem is, As fans, I/We don't care about any of this. We are not rich, All of them are. The NHL starting salary is $525,000 for fucks sake.

I really dont care if the owners are cheating the players... Or asking them for pay cuts, or any of the semantics of this labor dispute, I just want to watch hockey and not hear millionaires bitch about their privileged lives.
 
Q

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well this just plain sucks. makes me sick to think that the NHL didn't see any purpose in meeting during the final days of the CBA to grind out a new deal.
 
backyardagain

backyardagain

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As long as theres nk agreement there will be no training camp then season. If they can get things resolved quickly they might be able to training season in.
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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backyardagain said:
As long as theres nk agreement there will be no training camp then season. If they can get things resolved quickly they might be able to training season in.
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If only they had some prolonged period of time during the off season to resolve this...
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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Sep 17 - 7:02 AM - Source: Los Angeles Times
No negotiations on first day of lockout

There were no negotiations on the first day of the iockout between the NHL and the NHLPA. Deputy commissioner Bill Daly did speak to Steven Fehr, who is special counsel for the NHLPA but it looks like formal talks will not begin until Wednesday at the earliest due to the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah. As usual, stay tuned.

Awesome.
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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Nice to see they're working things out. :rolleyes:


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-nhl-employees-switch-155913113--nhl.html

"NEW YORK (AP) -- The NHL canceled its entire September preseason game schedule on Wednesday, the first on-ice casualty of the four-day lockout.

The league is wiping out all games through Sept. 30, a move it deems ''necessary because of the absence of a collective bargaining agreement'' with the players' association.

The NHL also said the 2012 Kraft Hockeyville preseason game, scheduled for Oct. 3 in Belleville, Ontario, has been postponed until 2013, bringing the total to 60 games called off on Wednesday.

The regular season is scheduled to begin on Oct. 11.

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said the league has ''no set policy on cancellations'' of other games.

Also Wednesday, a person familiar with the plan says NHL employees at the league offices will switch to a four-day work week Oct. 1 because of the lockout.

The move will effectively cut salaries by 20 percent. The person spoke on condition of anonymity Wednesday because the NHL hadn't made the plan public.

The news was first reported by The Canadian Press.

The Florida Panthers and Ottawa Senators have let staff go because of the lockout, while several other teams have said they don't have any plans to do so as of now.

The league locked out its players at 12:01 a.m. Sunday, its fourth shutdown since 1992.

The preseason cancellations included a Washington Capitals game against the Columbus Blue Jackets on Sept. 26 in Baltimore.

Last year, in the inaugural Baltimore Hockey Classic, the Capitals hosted the Nashville Predators and drew a sold-out crowd."
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dslantic

dslantic

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Amaximus said:
The only problem is, As fans, I/We don't care about any of this. We are not rich, All of them are. The NHL starting salary is $525,000 for fucks sake.

I really dont care if the owners are cheating the players... Or asking them for pay cuts, or any of the semantics of this labor dispute, I just want to watch hockey and not hear millionaires bitch about their privileged lives.
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Bummer. For that much money they should record in digital, reinstall the puck tracer, and dvd the whole season. Chances are It's not the hockey player's beef about cash but the push behind it to make it a world league sport.

I hope they reach an agreement by Monday the 24th. :eyesmoke:
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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The Winter Classic between the Maple Leafs and Red Wings could be canceled by the NHL sometime in November. Of course, this only happens if there's no deal in place by then. Commissioner Gary Bettman "told (the board of governors) he was going to cancel the Winter Classic in November because he didn’t want the players to use the game as leverage," a league source said to the Toronto Star's Kevin McGran. The NHLPA has heard the same thing, according to a different source. "It’s a scare tactic," the union source said. "It just proves the NHL has no intention of negotiating any time soon."

Source: Toronto Star Sep 21 - 7:55 PM


^^^Real asshole move. Fuck you Bettman.
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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TheMan13 said:
Did you guys see this? Red Wings fined over comments by Jimmy Devellano:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120922/SPORTS0103/209220376/1128/sports0103/Red-Wings-fined-over-comments-by-Jimmy-Devellano
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""The owners can basically be viewed as the ranch, and the players, me included, are the cattle," Devellano said. "The owners own the ranch and allow the players to eat there. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it will be forever. And the owners simply aren't going to let a union push them around. It's not going to happen."

Yeah, This is going to be resolved sometime.... next year.:wall:
 
Steve French

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Daly: CBA negotiations could resume this week

Monday, 09.24.2012 / 5:05 PM / News
By Dan Rosen - NHL.com Senior Writer

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said Monday the League's owners are committed to starting the 2012-13 regular season on time and he is hopeful negotiations for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement will resume this week.
The National Hockey League and National Hockey League Players' Association last held a formal negotiating session Sept. 12 in New York.
Preseason games through Sept. 30 have been cancelled. Opening night of the 2012-13 NHL season is scheduled for Oct. 11.
"We're 100 percent focused on not missing any regular-season games and hopefully we can achieve that objective," Daly said from Toronto after meeting with Union representation to finalize the players' share of hockey-related revenue for the 2011-12 season. "Obviously, we've got to talk before you can get a deal, so I think it's important to get the talks going again. But you also have to have something to say. I think it's fair to say we feel like we need to hear from the Players' Association in a meaningful way because I don't think that they've really moved off their initial proposal, which was made more than a month ago now."
Daly said there are no CBA negotiations scheduled, but the sides have kept in close contact. He said the topic of resuming CBA negotiations was not discussed during the meeting Monday, which was also attended by NHLPA Special Counsel Steve Fehr.
However, Daly did suggest the topic could come up Monday night at the NHL Alumni Awards Gala Dinner. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman, Daly, NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr and Steve Fehr are expected to attend the event in Toronto.
Daly also confirmed the players will be getting back approximately 99 percent of their salary money that was withheld in escrow for the 2011-12 season.



I'm having doubts about all that talk of everyone being committed to starting the season on time though. Look at all the players currently fucking off to Europe.
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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I'd have to agree with you. These two sides are far apart and their greed isn't going to help matters.

I do have a question though. If the owners are the ranchers and the players are the cattle then what are the fans?

We're the food that they eat and shit out without thinking about? Yeah, That feels about right.

You know what. Dissolve the NHL entirely. Each lockout I give a shit less and less.
 
Amaximus

Amaximus

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"The league-wide lockout was imposed when the previous labor agreement expired with the owners and players at odds over how to divide a $3.3 billion revenue pie."

3.3 Billion... BILLION. Yeah... The players and owners can kiss my white Irish ass. Oh, btw, The Entire pre-season has just been cancelled.

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