Nirvana Bubblelicious Waterfarm Scrog in a Secret Jardin Tent 600 Watts

T.M.B

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Serepis with that airtube happened to me last week had 2 of them stuck in tube. get a metal coat hanger unbend it and make one small bend on the bottem. Trust me it will slip past them twist a little and lift you will snag em do 1 at a time, the one on there now will probably come off when you try and remove it, I cant tell you how I paniced when I had 2 stuck in the tube thinking wtf did i just do lol all good now good luck.
 

SCOTTYBALLS

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looking good serapis.. I don't know why GH made that brown tube so small.. they never use to be that tight... I sometimes see the air line clog here is what I do..

Instead of trying to pull out the whole pumping column disconnect the 1/4" tubing from the pump to the waterfarm air line.. I use a piece of speaker wire I cant remember the size but I'm thinking its 14 gage .. run the wire down the tube spinning while inserting when it stops push and pull the wire several times like you were cleaning a mini gun barrel.. thats all you need to unclog it and by doing this you don't risk pulling apart your pumping column.. also you can apply epoxy to the bottom piece of the pumping column to make it permanent and will not pull off. Epoxy will not effect your plant, ph or conductivity..
 

Serapis

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looking good serapis.. I don't know why GH made that brown tube so small.. they never use to be that tight... I sometimes see the air line clog here is what I do..

Instead of trying to pull out the whole pumping column disconnect the 1/4" tubing from the pump to the waterfarm air line.. I use a piece of speaker wire I cant remember the size but I'm thinking its 14 gage .. run the wire down the tube spinning while inserting when it stops push and pull the wire several times like you were cleaning a mini gun barrel.. thats all you need to unclog it and by doing this you don't risk pulling apart your pumping column.. also you can apply epoxy to the bottom piece of the pumping column to make it permanent and will not pull off. Epoxy will not effect your plant, ph or conductivity..
LOL, now you tell us. :) I was just suggesting a few posts ago that gluing that pick-up connector to the pick-up tube would be an ideal fix. I'll also get some copper wire for that cleaning out trick. Any tips on keeping the blue water level tube see through? It seems mine have darkened and seeing the water level is a bitch. I sometimes have to squeeze the tube to make the level indicator move so I can see where it is at. I understand why they didn't use clear tubing, but that dark ass blue apparently is not inhibiting any growth in that tube, or I'd be able to see. I have been looking for a long mini brush. I occasionally put drops of H2O2 in the tube and sometimes a fish/plant tank algae killer. Nothing seems to work. Any tricks here?
 

Serapis

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I see a lot of the same questions being asked over and over, so I'm going to attempt to address one or two of them.

WEAVING: It is rare that you will "weave" your plants into the screen. After you have some experience working a scrog, you may use that technique to hold a straggler in place, or help a weaker stem support a bigger bud. To weave means to incorporate into the screen. That is done by running a stem under and over the netting. For the most part, you do not want to do this. Should you need to move that branch later, good luck. The technique utilizes a method that is VERY easy to understand, however it does indeed take a little practice to make the most of your scrog.

The proper technique involves training the growth tips. When a top comes up through the screen, allow it to grow a couple of inches, then pull it back down under the screen and stretch it away from the plant's base to the next spot on the screen. I usually try to stretch my tops out by 2 or 3 squares per scrog session. If the top won't reach, I leave it alone until the following day, when it is a bit longer and can reach to the next spot.

By doing this, we are forcing the plant growth to go horizontal. EVERY node below the screen will receive auxin, a hormone that will cause branching. Every one of those nodes below will start branching out and then up, striving for light. What I do is top my plants before they even go into the tent. My goal is 4 strong tops. I generally leave 3-4 nodes of the plant when i top, so each one of those lower nodes will develop into a thick branch, able to support a smaller network of branches that will grow from it.

I like to work my tops out in the pattern of an "X" The 4 main tops get stretched out into the "X" pattern, and any branches off of the main branches, will be trained to fill in the middles. This is the easiest pattern to follow. I've seen people use a box pattern and a circle. The choice is yours.

When to Flower?: Deciding when to flower is a personal choice. No one can tell you that you need to begin flowering on a set calendar. However, we all strive for that 'perfect' window to flip our lights. When scrogging, we have a concern or two as to when that time comes. I've seen several misconceptions on this topic. Number one, do not wait until your screen is full before flipping the lights to the flower cycle. Why?, you ask, because, once you start flowering, the plant is going to go into stretch mode. The top few nodes are really going to stretch apart and prepare themselves of handling the weight of a cola.

The new growth that accompanies the stretch will have nowhere to go if you have already filled out the screen. As I said, I work my mains into an "X" pattern. The secondary branches that come from those branches are encouraged to stretch to the ends of the screen and fill in the empty portions on the edges. The branches that come later in the plant's life will be used to fill the middles, that are closer to the main branches.

The trick to timing the light cycle is to know your strain. In order to find the sweet spot, you have to know how much more growth the plants are capable of. Once you have filled the corners of your screen and have about 80% of the middles filled in, flip your lights. At this point, you'll continue to work the scrog and train the plants for about ten more days, until the screen is nearly full, at which point you can take a break from working the top, and get below the screen and start removing any growth that will not be receiving light. A well done scrog will not be getting any light below the canopy.

PRUNING: If you are one of the ones that refuse to remove a leave or cut off a perfectly good branch, scrogging may not be for you. In order to get a head start on branching, many growers that utilize a scrog will top their plants. They may also FIM or LST them. Controlling the growth and pace of the plant is essential when growing in a scrog. Growers will have to prune tops to encourage branching, and the amount of fan leaves that are removed is nothing short of a harvest in itself.

I have spent over an hour at a time, cleaning up under the canopy and while doing so, routinely fill 1-2 plastic Wal*mart bags with leaves. I try to tuck huge fan leaves that are shading other tops at the screen, back into the netting. If they refuse to cooperate and insist on blocking a site, I pluck the leaf. I have no aversions to taking off fan leaves. If you are scrog growing, you have to be able to remove leaves and feel good about it. You are not going to decrease your harvest. If anything, growing on a scrog increases it by four fold.

I didn't intend to write a novel, just wanted to cover a few topics that I see being discussed the most.
 

WakethBaketh

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Subscribed to this thread a while ago after I read Scotty's grow and finally just sat down and read the whole thing. It's such a pleasure watching this grow journal and reading your posts because you always include so much detail! Not to mention you always explain why you do certain things which is always a plus! I'm loving all these waterfarm threads because there is a plethora of information in every one. Sorry if I'm rambling just a little medicated. :D
 

Serapis

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Subscribed to this thread a while ago after I read Scotty's grow and finally just sat down and read the whole thing. It's such a pleasure watching this grow journal and reading your posts because you always include so much detail! Not to mention you always explain why you do certain things which is always a plus! I'm loving all these waterfarm threads because there is a plethora of information in every one. Sorry if I'm rambling just a little medicated. :D
Thanks for reading my journal. I appreciate EVERY one that is along for the grow.

I have some new pics coming in a few minutes.
 

Serapis

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Hi! :)

12/12: 14 days
PH 5.5
PPM: 1400
TEMP: 80 - 73
HUMIDITY: 42-53%

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Here we are, just finishing up week 2 of 12/12. The actual flowering time is close to 2 weeks as well, because these plants were already showing sex when they were flipped. The screen has filled up nicely, as the pictures show. Babylicious is about done stretching, her flowers are far more pronounced now. Her sister, had a huge growth spurt last night. The PPMs in her tank were about 1700 last night and this afternoon, it was 1250. She really put on some cell growth last night and tore up some nutrients. I dropped her down to 1400 today after topping her tank, because I don't want to burn the roots. If she is reading below 1k ppm or near that tomorrow, I'm going right back to feeding her aggressively.

I'm still adding about 1 tsp of Fox Farms soluble 'Open Sesame' about every other nute top off. I'll be switching over to Beastie Blooms in week 3 more than likely, and then finishing the last 3 weeks with Cha Ching. I'm still maintaining roughly 1100-1200 ppm solely in the General Hydroponics Flora Nova Bloom. I also swap between adding 5ml of 35% H2O2 and 1 ml of Drip Clean. The hyrogen peroxide helps maintain a healthy reservoir and the drip clean breaks up salts so the don't build up and lock out nutrients.

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Clean up time:

I took the time to enjoy my morning coffee today while pruning and cleaning up the plants. I removed a 5 gallon bucket of branch and leaf material while cleaning up below the canopy. I was not able to reach the back area. I also removed or cut back fan leaves above the canopy that were blocking buds. I was careful here not to overdo it. Mt mind thought was to touch no leaf, so I went with that thought and was very selective. Anything that was not at the canopy level getting light was removed. This will allow the plant to focus on bud production. It will also reduce the amount of water consumption and help lower the humidity in the grow tent.

Thanks for taking the time to check out my update and following my grow. I enjoy sharing it with all of you and the conversations we have along the way.

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rollajoint

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Cant wait to see the final outcome dude . I watched scott's grow and like you was inspired. Im Currently growing in soil and will be moving to waterfarms after my current grow. Good luck dude im watching closely :D
 

Serapis

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Cant wait to see the final outcome dude . I watched scott's grow and like you was inspired. Im Currently growing in soil and will be moving to waterfarms after my current grow. Good luck dude im watching closely :D
Thanks Rolla... always happy to have people along for the trip. I can't wait to see how this goes either. :)
 

Serapis

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newworldicon

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Not at all bro.... it sounds related to my grow, so by all means... mention it...
Thanks, I will utilise their 90 days return policy if after 2@ simultaneous 8 week grows do not produce results. I want to see if 2x260W units can indeed produce the dry 500-550g I get on average in a 1.2x1.2sqm tent from a 600W HPS. if they do then I save on heat, 280W of elecricity per 24 hours which is a lot and zero thermal heat.
 

Serapis

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Here is a few quick pics of my bucket cloner. Inside, in a float, is a fog maker and red LED. I have a clear plastic dome ordered that isn't here yet, it fits right over a 5 gal bucket top. (eBay)

The cuttings are inserted into 2" neoprene inserts which sit in 2" net pots. The net pot are empty and the bottoms are cut out. They simply act as a solid stopper for the inserts.

I bought an aquarium heater, but so far haven't needed it. I'm keeping a close eye on the clones to see if they wilt.
 

Serapis

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I'm in love!!

It's been a little under 24 hours since I first turned on my new DIY cloning bucket and inserted some fresh cuttings. I have not misted the cuttings, except right after I took them, I misted with water and SuperThrive.

I have the fogger on a timer so it runs for 30 minutes, and then is off for 30 minute cycles. This prevents the water from getting too warm. I had it on non stop last night and this AM, the bucket felt warmer than it should have. I certainly don't need an aquarium heater with this rig. That's $19 I can deduct from the cost of the project.

That leaves about $55 spent on the project. Well worth it if you ask me. If needed, this set up can be quickly converted to a DWC unit that can support 5 young plants in net pots and hydroton. These should root quickly, then I'll use the cloner as a DWC for a couple of weeks until I figure out what to do with these clones. They are more or less an experiment.

Am I missing any details or overlooking the obvious on anything here? I feel as if I am... If I had a small tent, I'd set up the clones to make fem seeds... I may still do this after some thought.

The ladies in the tent are looking spectacular. flowers are getting big and I swear I see the difference every day. Below are pics of the bucket babies though, as this post is about them. If neither of my two seeds have popped by the time these babies have roots, the best looking one is going into the farm behind them. The other 4 may become soil grows outside on a new trellis I'm thinking of installing. :)

Pics below. No misting, check out the color and look of those cuttings. They are not under a dome either.


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