No Feed, Water Only Amended FFOF

Need a little advice.
I don't have the space to make (cook) a Super Soil so I was thinking of amending FFOF to make it a water only soil.

What do you think about my recipe?




1 - Bag FFOF

1/2- Bag Happy Frog

Happy Frog All Purpose 5-5-5, 2-table spoons per gal

Kelp Meal, 1-table spoon per gal

Dolomite Lime 1-table spoon per gal

Ewc 1/2 cup per gal

Perlite

Hmmm does not seem like enough nutrients to be a water. Only. How much soil are you going to need. I think there is always room to cook. Even with just the kelp and dolomite you will want to age your soil. IMO

I don't need much, maybe 20-25 gals.

Is aging the same as cooking?

HazyDays65 said:

I don't need much, maybe 20-25 gals.

Is aging the same as cooking?

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Yes. 25 g should be no problem. Get a 35 g or so plastic tote. 30 days good to go. And for water only. I would still do a few compost teas to get soil alive and happy. But i would personally so 3x as much nutrients. And you will Need minerals as well.

HazyDays65 said:

Need a little advice.
I don't have the space to make (cook) a Super Soil so I was thinking of amending FFOF to make it a water only soil.

What do you think about my recipe?




1 - Bag FFOF

1/2- Bag Happy Frog

Happy Frog All Purpose 5-5-5, 2-table spoons per gal

Kelp Meal, 1-table spoon per gal

Dolomite Lime 1-table spoon per gal

Ewc 1/2 cup per gal

Perlite

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if you are needing 25 gal, you'll need four cubic feet of soil, in an unamended soil that would be 9-12 cups of nutrients. BUT your soil is amended, albeit not heavily.
you have roughly 2 cubic feet of soil, so you need double that. Considering your soil is partially amended I wouldn't add more than 8 cups of nutrients, that's NOT including minerals.
I'd ditch the all-purpose and go for a tailored specific nutrient mix.
neem meal, kelp meal, crab meal, alfalfa meal.
I'd add 6-10 cups of minerals as well, gypsum, azomite, rock phosphates, etc.
More perlite, and MUCH more EWC.

you need compost, something living producing in the soil... imo

jesus of Cannabis said:

you need compost, something living producing in the soil... imo

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I agree, that's why I said much more EWC.
Gotta have that.

Well if I have to cook it I might as well make Subs soil?
I just wanted to amend the FF a bit so I don't run into the problems I'm running into now, ca/mg , PH, ect.

HazyDays65 said:

Well if I have to cook it I might as well make Subs soil?
I just wanted to amend the FF a bit so I don't run into the problems I'm running into now, ca/mg , PH, ect.

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I wouldn't do the supersoil.
A lot of people gravitate towards that recipe, but I think it's because it was stickied (perhaps not to the advantage of people looking for a good recipe)
Much, much better recipes out there.
Most of us organic growers don't use that mix.

How bout I throw my FF nutes away and feed the str8 FFOF with teas? Will I make it all the way though?

I'm on page 17 of the "Organic Growing Made Easy & Fox Farms Ocean Forest!" thread and more confused than ever. LOL

HazyDays65 said:

How bout I throw my FF nutes away and feed the str8 FFOF with teas? Will I make it all the way though?

I'm on page 17 of the "Organic Growing Made Easy & Fox Farms Ocean Forest!" thread and more confused than ever. LOL

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Keep big bloom by fox farm if you have it. Besides fish emulsion that's the only bottle left in my grow.

And if you add a bunch of nutrients to your teas it might work out. Idk tho never tried it.

My brother will let me make soil at his house, he has a yard.

Can someone point me to some simple Organic soil recipes? Thanks

I looked for a few days and can't find a solid recipe. I've come up with recipe of my own, can you please tell me if I need to omit or add????
Thanks guys

Happy Frog soil

Perlite 1qt per gal

EWC- 1qt - per gal

1 - TBS Per Gal
Kelp Meal 1-0-2 or 6 -.5 - 2.5
Rock Phosphate 0 - 3 - 0
Cotton Seed Meal 5 - 2 - 1
Fish Bone Meal 3- 18 - 0
Alfalfa Meal 2 - 1 - 2
Azomite
Gypsum

I read somewhere once upon a time to avoid cotton seed meal or food crops cuz it can have some leftover pesticide residue so i have since never used it, if your set on starting with ocean forest or happy frog try this: (allthough youd be better off starting with just peat or coco or pro-mix or a bale of sunshine, etc, etc)

anyway, try this

one bag ffof or happy frog

5-10lb EWC
1 cup alfalfa
1 cup crab
1 cup kelp
1/2 cup azomite, or basalt or volcano minerals or whatever
1/4-1/2 cup gypsum or lime or better yet maybe oyster
1/4-1/2 cup fish bone meal
1/4 cup greensand (have been told this can be hard to find in some parts of the country? its everywhere where i am)


then mulch the top of your pots with something (even dead leaves from old plants could do the trick) and throw some extra EWC (like 2 big handfuls) on top every 3-4 weeks or so.
and get some charcoal, biochar, composted charcoal, whatever they are calling it where you are, ive been liking it. I was told add 10% to total soil volume by the wholesaler i got it from, its been workin nice.