No smell

calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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hellmutt bones said:
I’ve had many strains with no smell but some there that just reeked. It’s probably a combination of genetics, the way you cure/dry and timing of harvest. Could be chopping Roos soon or too late. Also someone else mentioned are you using ona gel, air fresheners, or ozone generator? Don’t tell me you are buying the cheapest seeds from Nirvana?
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*sprays blueberry tobacco flavoring all over weed plants*
 
Thundercat

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Patricf1 said:
Current flowering of Critical Purple/Tangerine Dream
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If I'm being honest, those plants look less then healthy. Sick plants definitely won't smell or smoke as well as if they were healthy.

When you rub a bud does it put off a nice smell? If so then the buds should be able to smell good at harvest if they are fully ripened and properly dried.

Your garden not smelling strongly when you open the door is actually not a bad thing. If you are strongly smelling your plants then you are vaporizing volite terpenes right in the grow room. Frankly it is somewhat unavoidable because they will evap at pretty low temps that normal rooms can hit. Heavily blowing plants around can also cause excess terpene evaporation.

Your setup looks like it should be ok for the size plants you've got growing, so good genetics+healthy plants should= potant good smelling buds.

Which leads me to wonder if you are chopping early and not drying properly. Both will reduce the overall quality of the buds from smell and flavor to potancy and smoothness.

The best smoke comes from FULLY ripened healthy plants that get dried SLOWLY.
 
booms111

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Patricf1 said:
I have grown 8 different strains now. Other than a mild aroma, NONE of them had a potent smell.

I grow in a 4x4 tent, in soil(3 gal fabric pots), under a 600w grow light along with supplemental 2ft flourescents on the sides of the tent. Temp is usually in mid to upper 70's at top of canopy.

I use the FF trio, FF solubles, FF Kelp me kelp you, and FF Mackerel. Am about to start using FF Bembe as well.

My plants look healthy but do not produce potent buds or aroma.

Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?
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Cha Ching from FF has killed flavor and aroma for me many years ago. Try using the simplest nutrient formula like a one part similar to Mega Crop or Veg Bloom and dont use any boosters, see how that works for you. Potency is genetic and so is aroma to a point but i also believe obviously that nutrients can kill flavor/aroma.
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Thundercat said:
If I'm being honest, those plants look less then healthy. Sick plants definitely won't smell or smoke as well as if they were healthy.

When you rub a bud does it put off a nice smell? If so then the buds should be able to smell good at harvest if they are fully ripened and properly dried.

Your garden not smelling strongly when you open the door is actually not a bad thing. If you are strongly smelling your plants then you are vaporizing volite terpenes right in the grow room. Frankly it is somewhat unavoidable because they will evap at pretty low temps that normal rooms can hit. Heavily blowing plants around can also cause excess terpene evaporation.

Your setup looks like it should be ok for the size plants you've got growing, so good genetics+healthy plants should= potant good smelling buds.

Which leads me to wonder if you are chopping early and not drying properly. Both will reduce the overall quality of the buds from smell and flavor to potancy and smoothness.

The best smoke comes from FULLY ripened healthy plants that get dried SLOWLY.
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Thundercat coming through with the slamming tips, advise and wisdom as always.
 
Thundercat

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booms111 said:
Cha Ching from FF has killed flavor and aroma for me many years ago. Try using the simplest nutrient formula like a one part similar to Mega Crop or Veg Bloom and dont use any boosters, see how that works for you. Potency is genetic and so is aroma to a point but i also believe obviously that nutrients can kill flavor/aroma.
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Very good points. Less is usually more in my experience. Nutrient companies want us to use all sorts of stuff, but the plant only needs so much.
 
Patricf1

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Hawg Wild said:
Just out of curiosity, what breeder(s)/bank(s) did the seeds come from? Were they all from the same place?
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My first plants came from a medical grow warehouse that was getting rid of some old mothers.
My first set of seeds came from some seed bank in toronto.
My second set of seeds came from a seed bank in California....Growers Choice.
 
Patricf1

Patricf1

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hellmutt bones said:
I’ve had many strains with no smell but some there that just reeked. It’s probably a combination of genetics, the way you cure/dry and timing of harvest. Could be chopping Roos soon or too late. Also someone else mentioned are you using ona gel, air fresheners, or ozone generator? Don’t tell me you are buying the cheapest seeds from Nirvana?
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No air filters, air fresheners of any kind.
I have a window AC that cools the room and have an 8in inline turbine fan blowing into the tent and another blowing out. Inside the tent are several small canopy fans.
 
raggyb

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does it smell better when you squeeze the bud? they say sulfur helps smell. don't know if that's proven though. S can be got from epsom salt.
 
Patricf1

Patricf1

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Thundercat said:
If I'm being honest, those plants look less then healthy. Sick plants definitely won't smell or smoke as well as if they were healthy.

When you rub a bud does it put off a nice smell? If so then the buds should be able to smell good at harvest if they are fully ripened and properly dried.

Your garden not smelling strongly when you open the door is actually not a bad thing. If you are strongly smelling your plants then you are vaporizing volite terpenes right in the grow room. Frankly it is somewhat unavoidable because they will evap at pretty low temps that normal rooms can hit. Heavily blowing plants around can also cause excess terpene evaporation.

Your setup looks like it should be ok for the size plants you've got growing, so good genetics+healthy plants should= potant good smelling buds.

Which leads me to wonder if you are chopping early and not drying properly. Both will reduce the overall quality of the buds from smell and flavor to potancy and smoothness.

The best smoke comes from FULLY ripened healthy plants that get dried SLOWLY.
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I have been harvesting after seeing a few trichs go amber. Am letting this current batch go a bit longer.

Yes, when I touch these buds they do give off a nice aroma. And when I trim them after harvest(wet trim), the smell is awesome. I dont usually hang them after trimming. I put them in a cool dark place in a plastic wire basket. Every morning and night I rotate the buds so each get plenty of air time. This step usually takes 4-5 days.
Once they start to feel dry on the outside, I put them into jars and let them sit for a few hours so I can get a good reading of humidity. If they are still too wet, I leave the lids off for 8 hours. I then close the jars and see where I am the next morning. If still too wet(above 70%), I repeat the process. Once I get down below 70%, I open the jars for 15 mins in the morning and 15 mins at night and give them a gentle shake so the buds dont stick to eachother. I do that until humidity is below %65...then I open them weekly til below 60%.

During the curing process, the jars are kept in a Wine Cooler at a contant 68f.
 
hellmutt bones

hellmutt bones

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Patricf1 said:
No air filters, air fresheners of any kind.
I have a window AC that cools the room and have an 8in inline turbine fan blowing into the tent and another blowing out. Inside the tent are several small canopy fans.
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What nutrients are you using? And are you flushing prior to harvest?
Ahhhhhh just read your last post. Wet trim is tricky they dont let the plant cure and use up most of the chlorophyll left in the sugar leafs. Also I try not to place my buds on anything plastic or cure in plastic Tupperware. I first started curing in Tupperware but it did take most of the smell away so I did glass jars instead, that made all the difference. I think that is your problem.
 
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booms111

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Patricf1 said:
I have been harvesting after seeing a few trichs go amber. Am letting this current batch go a bit longer.

Yes, when I touch these buds they do give off a nice aroma. And when I trim them after harvest(wet trim), the smell is awesome. I dont usually hang them after trimming. I put them in a cool dark place in a plastic wire basket. Every morning and night I rotate the buds so each get plenty of air time. This step usually takes 4-5 days.
Once they start to feel dry on the outside, I put them into jars and let them sit for a few hours so I can get a good reading of humidity. If they are still too wet, I leave the lids off for 8 hours. I then close the jars and see where I am the next morning. If still too wet(above 70%), I repeat the process. Once I get down below 70%, I open the jars for 15 mins in the morning and 15 mins at night and give them a gentle shake so the buds dont stick to eachother. I do that until humidity is below %65...then I open them weekly til below 60%.

During the curing process, the jars are kept in a Wine Cooler at a contant 68f.
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Do not stick them in jars to get a humidity reading while still wet in anyway. Leave the buds sit in your wire basket until fully dry. Skip all that stuff your doing before the buds are actually dry. Your probably ruining the flavor closing the buds up in jars while still to wet which is locking the buds into no smell or flavor.
 
Thundercat

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Patricf1 said:
I have been harvesting after seeing a few trichs go amber. Am letting this current batch go a bit longer.

Yes, when I touch these buds they do give off a nice aroma. And when I trim them after harvest(wet trim), the smell is awesome. I dont usually hang them after trimming. I put them in a cool dark place in a plastic wire basket. Every morning and night I rotate the buds so each get plenty of air time. This step usually takes 4-5 days.
Once they start to feel dry on the outside, I put them into jars and let them sit for a few hours so I can get a good reading of humidity. If they are still too wet, I leave the lids off for 8 hours. I then close the jars and see where I am the next morning. If still too wet(above 70%), I repeat the process. Once I get down below 70%, I open the jars for 15 mins in the morning and 15 mins at night and give them a gentle shake so the buds dont stick to eachother. I do that until humidity is below %65...then I open them weekly til below 60%.

During the curing process, the jars are kept in a Wine Cooler at a contant 68f.
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Letting plants thoroughly ripen can really make a huge difference in the quality, and is one thing I see people have a really hard time with.

If your plants have good smell when you touch them, then other then chopping early I'd say its a drying and curing issue.

I played with lots of drying techs over the years. Wet trimming never gave me ideal results. I did it some times because it was crazy hot and humid at my house at the time, but I knew after experimenting that it was not the ideal result.

The absolute best results I've gotten come from removing all the fan leaves at harvest, only leaving leaves TOTALLY covered in trichomes. Then I hang the whole plant or branches depending on size and space, and let it hang for 10ish days usually till the outside is slightly crispy and the stems will crack when bent, but I can tell the buds still have a little moisture in the middle. I remove them from the stems at this point and put them in a paper grocery bag. This equalizes the moisture in the buds, and allows them to slowly finish drying for another 4-7 days or until they are dry enough that they smoke nicely. At that point they will be ready to get a final clean up trim of any leaf left and go in jars for long term storage.

My buds pretty much stink the whole time after harvest. There might be a couple days in the middle of the hang dry where they don't smell much unless you touch them. Otherwise they are dank the moment they are dried nice to smoke. I've still had strains that smell more or less then each other but once you learn when to harvest and how to dry well you will have the dank buds you are looking for.
 
Patricf1

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ThunderCat,The plant at the back right corner of my tent is probably a week from harvest....maybe a little longer.
I will try your method and see how it goes.
 
Thundercat

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Patricf1 said:
ThunderCat,The plant at the back right corner of my tent is probably a week from harvest....maybe a little longer.
I will try your method and see how it goes.
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Can you take some closer pictures of that plant to give me an idea of its maturity.
 
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