noob here yellowing leaves turning brownish color almost burnt or singed look

i have a problem with a bag seed plant i have one bag seed plant and one royal cheese im practicing on a bag seed plant first but so i dont make the same mistake of what ever i did i would like some help on to identify the problem of yellowing leaves my temp is about 80 degree's and humidity with one veg plant and one seedling is at 60% no nutes have ever been used on either plant yet the leaves are the lower ones not all but some and not cotyledon leaves either im using the black gold water hold soil for both they have seem to be doing fine up to 1 week ago when i noticed the discoloration i did fim my plant but not till after the yellowing occured im using 4 bright white cfl 23 watt bulbs for my set up grow pc style it looks like this morning the top leaves are starting to droop a bit and my reflective material at the present moment is not mylar but tin foil no mylar on hand yet so making do with what i got on the reflective level .

any comments will help thank you

and for seasoned users please do not bash or say anything nasty because there was a moment when u where a noob too!

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Yellowing of the leafs is due to lack of nitrogen... this is covered in all grow books.

looks like theyre suffering from a Nitrogen Def. what kind of nutes are you planning on feeding, medium etc? and what are you temps like they look either over watered or like theyre burning up (wilting and drooping) also that taco shape theyre curling into is another def. Also another thing I wouldnt use alum. foil it has adverse effects on the lighting causing it to reflect differently id find some bright white panda film thats highly reflective (very cost effective and easy to use).

Dro joe said:

looks like theyre suffering from a Nitrogen Def. what kind of nutes are you planning on feeding, medium etc? and what are you temps like they look either over watered or like theyre burning up (wilting and drooping) also that taco shape theyre curling into is another def. Also another thing I wouldnt use alum. foil it has adverse effects on the lighting causing it to reflect differently id find some bright white panda film thats highly reflective (very cost effective and easy to use).

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i was gonna actually ask the audience but u seem to know what your talking about so i will ask u what should i use in 4 weeks veg? also panda film i never heard of it but will try the mylar i know its like top notch shit but cash is always a big issue so thank you for that i would say ur right on the nitrogen def and the overwatering i watered her right after a transplant so she out grew the other pot i had her in but havent watered for 3 days now but still pretty moist

id suggest using some kind of A additive on most lines that is the most efficient nitrogen source, also I dont grown in soil so I dont have problems over water I use coco. your droopy leaves could be from overwatering if thats soil.. since shes getting decent size its time to think about some kind of nutrients for sure fox farm makes great stuff for soil grows.. if you absolutely cant get your hands on anything else goto lowes or home depot and grab some Superthrive so they are getting a little something or you might start having much worse problems.

Dro joe said:

id suggest using some kind of A additive on most lines that is the most efficient nitrogen source, also I dont grown in soil so I dont have problems over water I use coco. your droopy leaves could be from overwatering if thats soil.. since shes getting decent size its time to think about some kind of nutrients for sure fox farm makes great stuff for soil grows.. if you absolutely cant get your hands on anything else goto lowes or home depot and grab some Superthrive so they are getting a little something or you might start having much worse problems.

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thank you so very much been freaking out a lil since it started turning that color and all

lol totally understandable, ill sub to your post let me know if you have any more problems keep me updated

You're better off with panda film/Black and white polyethylene film. White is a MUCH better reflector of light. You'll think you added another light.
http://htgsupply.com/Category-Black-and-White-Poly You can get it from almost any supplier.

Dro joe said:

lol totally understandable, ill sub to your post let me know if you have any more problems keep me updated

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started to do alot better than the other day picked up nutes shultz plant food for tomatoe's 10-15-10 added to the water supply but a lite dose will work her up a lil ON THE DOSAGE AS SHE GET USED TO IT sorry caps lock lol
i did start to trim a couple more leaves off of her so they all get light and so she could bush up instead of height not alot of space for height for her left still got to flower her and im in a pc so waiting for my roayal cheese to go to that level i got about 3-4 weeks left this will be a challange

update health has increased tremendously thank you all!!!

I'm glad they're doing better but you mentioned a 10-15-10 fertilizer. Nitrogen is always the first of those 3 numbers. N-P-K. Those plants are awfully young to be applying any fertilizer, but if you think it's nitrogen deficient you want a fertilizer with more N than P & K.

Get it out of that clear container. Roots will shrink from light. There's no excuse for using clear containers when pots are a dime a dozen.

Mellodrama said:

I'm glad they're doing better but you mentioned a 10-15-10 fertilizer. Nitrogen is always the first of those 3 numbers. N-P-K. Those plants are awfully young to be applying any fertilizer, but if you think it's nitrogen deficient you want a fertilizer with more N than P & K.

Get it out of that clear container. Roots will shrink from light. There's no excuse for using clear containers when pots are a dime a dozen.

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true true dime a dozen kind of a quick thing last minuete change but for the ferts it lost its cotyldon leaves so no nutes coming from that and the soil was 4 weeks old so not sure how much nutes where even left in it but the nutes have taken thankfully and have been growing fine ever since my only problem with my sativa is my height so i had to start a LST using the string/thread method holding back the top for that the plant is now 6 weeks in veg im thinking about flowering in a week or so waiting for my indica to catch up in maturaity.

Update: On sativa 6 week veg and indica 2 1/2 weeks veg

running our of sativa room height wise my sativa is a girl bagseed my indica is a female by genetics had to tie down the big sativa and any kind of ideas at all would be accepted im looking on seeing what else i can do to better my grow im using 10-15-10 shultz plant food and diluted according to tomato directions have been using nutes only on the sativa will start nutes on indica in about 2 weeks or so unless it shows signs of stress needing nutes, using cfl grow i have discontinued using tinfoil except to black out my clear container for the root development sativa has a couple small hairsnot yet noticible to the camera but can see them without magnification any advice would be greatly wanted thank you!

Try not to take shade leaves off unless they yellowing or dead, these act as sugar factories, they are the solar panels, your plants will bush much happier if left intact, just tuck them out of way to let light on growing branches.

i hate to see such small grows

yowie said:

Try not to take shade leaves off unless they yellowing or dead, these act as sugar factories, they are the solar panels, your plants will bush much happier if left intact, just tuck them out of way to let light on growing branches.

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Thank you for the advice will be sure to do that in my other grows

ibob said:

i hate to see such small grows

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i would love to grow big just not do able right now so just doing minie im thinking of just scrogging next time for higher yield just looking at them make me wanna cry i k
now i feel ya bro

so far 1 week before flower just transplanted royal cheese i have about 12 inches of grow space total height and only 5 inches left to fill and like they say flowering doubles sometimes even triples in size cant wait. the mystery bag seed have been ready to flower for about 2-3 weeks now just holding out for my real queen cheese yummy!!

if you pruned the top of the tall plant it would of bushed out