Northern Lights X BB auto & Speed Devil auto

Ah that makes sense if you're doing it for med reasons. Cannabis helps my appetite(a lot), but it's not like I have a medical condition or anything. What chemicals are you talking about that are unhealthy though? I hear people who grow organically say that a chemical fertilizers are bad, but I've never heard what chemicals exactly. I'm more for organics just because I'm less likely to burn my plants and that taste may be affected if I don't flush properly.
Psh, I've I have demonoid, isohunt and pirate bay as bookmarks lol. I <3 piracy.

Maine HomeGrown said:

Just subbed my man, looking good wish I had found this journal back when it was started! I'm locked in now and about a week along with my auto grow. Looking forward to your results and good luck!

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How are you "locked in"? I was originally growing out of my closet for the first 2 weeks or so. Then I changed to what Lady J has.

I'm locked in, like i'm checking your thread out? I thought it made sense.

Oh oh I thought you meant you couldn't change what you were doing since you said you wish you had found my grow when it started. My bad lol. Meh tbh my grow was probably more detailed in the beginning, but nothing but bad stuff happened lol. Thanks

Cloudz2600 said:

Ah that makes sense if you're doing it for med reasons. Cannabis helps my appetite(a lot), but it's not like I have a medical condition or anything. What chemicals are you talking about that are unhealthy though? I hear people who grow organically say that a chemical fertilizers are bad, but I've never heard what chemicals exactly.
Psh, I've I have demonoid, isohunt and pirate bay as bookmarks lol. I <3 piracy.

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This more or less explains why I don't like chemicals:

Synthetic fertilizers is a relatively modern invention. The Haber-Bosch process was invented in the early 20th century which combine nitrogen from the air with hydrogen at high temperature and pressure to create anhydrous ammonia (NH3), the basis for all synthetic nitrogen as well as munitions used in warfare.

Synthetic fertilizers are now widespread in the agricultural business worldwide. This modern invention would seem to be the solution to all of our problems with having to rotate crops and being able to produce enough food to feed the whole world. Synthetic fertilizer is not without its problems however.

• Only a small portion of the nitrogen contained in the fertilizer applied to the soil will actually be absorbed by the plant. The remainder will run off into waterways where it creates massive algae blooms. These nitrate fed algae starve the water of oxygen which in turn leads to massive &#8216;dead zones&#8217; in lakes and oceans. Fish and aquatic animals are suffocated and whole ecosystems destroyed as a consequence. These &#8216;dead zones&#8217; have been expanding rapidly on a worldwide scale since 1995.
• Excess nitrates in the soil can convert to nitrosamines which have been shown to cause tumors in laboratory animals. Nitrate contaminated water has also been linked to reproductive problems, urinary and kidney disorders, and bladder and ovarian cancer.
• In order to produce synthetic fertilizers they need to use a high temperature source to combine nitrogen and hydrogen together. The most common fuel used to create this heat is natural gas. By using a non-renewable fuel source to grow plants we are supporting a non-sustainable method of farming that is actually accelerating the depletion of the earth&#8217;s resources instead of helping to build them up.
• Synthetic fertilizers end up depleting the soil of essential minerals. Farmers rely on these fertilizers rather than employing sustainable methods of farming that will build up the soil and lead to healthier fruits and vegetables.

http://plainlyliving.com/15/09/07/synthetic-fertilizers-whats-so-bad-about-them/

Cheap chemicals are usually made by equally cheap companies that like to cut corners an aren't adverse to introducing something harmful to you if they think it will improve their product. At least with the natural way, you know where the nutes are coming from, and it isn't from a lab...but from beneficial microbes. Think about all the bad things we learn several years later about some chems we liberally used and come to find out it has severely affected people's health...rather just avoid all that. Oh, and I want to start reusing my soil so synthetics is a no go!

Also in most veggies that are sold in supermarkets, they are grown with pesticides and fertilizers that are known to cause cancer. Fuck chemicals!

Same thing with GMOs. Fuck them!

While I'm at it, fuck the police!

And I love piracy too lol

Nice post Lady J and I as well love piracy all while saying Fuck Tha POlice. I'll add fuck the government to that while I'm on topic. Cloudz, it doesn't seem it got too bad and if it did you did a nice job of turning those girls around! Lookin' good from my end. This is an all CFL grow right?

Cloudz2600 said:

Yea Veg+Bloom is synthetic as well as Jack's. I think he said something about the ratio being correct, although he said he talked to Jack and he said that the P was a little too high, and the micro nutes being good too. I don't think there's anything wrong with synthetic. You have to be more exact on the amount you use, but usually it's cheaper and stronger which means more uses. For an experienced grower who has their stuff dialed in they're less likely to burn or overfeed to the point of needing a flush at the end of the harvest. UB actually doesn't flush at all.


Good idea for the ghost account. How big was your sample for the fish/seaweed? Something close to the size of the Veg+Bloom?

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Hey r u mixing synthetics with organics?
When u mix ur feed do u adjust ph?

Lady.J said:

About 4 ounces or so...

There's nothing wrong with synthetics if you just want to smoke and aren't smoking for health reasons...but medical MJ doesn't make sense to be anything but organic, and my grow is for med reasons! Just like my veggies, I prefer to buy those that are grown organically and not with chemicals. Chems do messed up shit to your body! The more I read about organics, the more entrenched I become in the philosophy that it's the best way! Maybe I am wrong, and I know it's just my opinion, but I firmly believe it's superior.

If you have some time and like to read, check out Teaming with Microbes - A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web.

Torrent - http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/68025177/?tab=summary

And if you dislike piracy, it's available on Amazon

Just started reading it and it's awesome! So much I had no clue about! Ended up aerating some water in my 5 gal bucket to remove the chlorine, then going to start making my own tea...tea = no more ferts . I am going to use them together for now, but once I learn how to make the tea properly for veg, bloom, and to take care of deficiencies, won't be buying any more ferts.

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I read and reread this book many times
highly rec this book for anyone that wants to master and understand organics, well said lady j
also making teas is one of the most rewarding and satisfying part of growing, but beware it can be very very tricky

Cloudz2600 said:

Ah that makes sense if you're doing it for med reasons. Cannabis helps my appetite(a lot), but it's not like I have a medical condition or anything. What chemicals are you talking about that are unhealthy though? I hear people who grow organically say that a chemical fertilizers are bad, but I've never heard what chemicals exactly. I'm more for organics just because I'm less likely to burn my plants and that taste may be affected if I don't flush properly.
Psh, I've I have demonoid, isohunt and pirate bay as bookmarks lol. I <3 piracy.

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Numerous things are wrong with chemicals (trying to stay calm)..
it's all about mother nature herself, using synthetics to grow ANYTHING Is straight raping mother nature in many ways, and that affects us directly as ppl
And to answer your question, all chemicals are bad
ur doing great homie keep it organic

foreverflyhi said:

I read and reread this book many times
highly rec this book for anyone that wants to master and understand organics, well said lady j
also making teas is one of the most rewarding and satisfying part of growing, but beware it can be very very tricky

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Nice, you just gave me more incentive to see it through! And you're not the first person I've heard say they've read it several times...looking forward to reading through it some more when it gets a little less noisy around my house. Hate reading with excessive noise...

Will be careful with the tea! Starting with just worm castings and unsulphered (sp) molasses...then going to build on that.

Holy shit it's more than just Lady J posting. I can finally multiquote That's exactly what I was looking for Lady J thanks. I should of edited my post before ya'll went off on me lol. I did a quick google for EDTAs and found this on wikipedia: "EDTA is in such widespread use that it has emerged as a persistent organic pollutant.[SUP][24][/SUP] It degrades to ethylenediaminetriacetic acid, which then cyclizes to the diketopiperizide, a cumulative, persistent, organic environmental pollutant."

Maine HomeGrown said:

Nice post Lady J and I as well love piracy all while saying Fuck Tha POlice. I'll add fuck the government to that while I'm on topic. Cloudz, it doesn't seem it got too bad and if it did you did a nice job of turning those girls around! Lookin' good from my end. This is an all CFL grow right?

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This is a completely CFL grow Maine. Meh the light fell on the plants more than a few times and the plants had nute burns and heat stress for first 2 weeks of their life. Nothing killer, but it probably set me back a week or so.

foreverflyhi said:

Hey r u mixing synthetics with organics?
When u mix ur feed do u adjust ph?

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I haven't touched my ph. I don't even have a ph meter. I haven't had any problems with any other plants in my garden. So far the only organic thing I've added is urine. I will be using the fish-seaweed blend whenever it gets here a few times because I'm noticing lower growth begin to yellow just a tad which I'm assuming is because of a combination of lack of light/very little N being added during waterings(blossom booster is 1-3-2). I'll probably continue using the blossom booster until the end of this grow. My next grow however will likely be 100% organic if I can find a good 2 part mix for veg and bloom. I don't feel like overpaying for name brand stuff like fox farms if I don't have to and I haven't really done any kind of research into it.

Lmao I didn't mean to go off on you...but I really do hate chems. I love how you've been curious about going organic and asking me about it (which is flattering). You're smart enough to grow good plants no matter what method you use though

By the way, you might like the tea method too...if I had been more brave, less frivolous, and informed, would have been using that instead of Fox Farm. With tea, you can dial in what your plant needs...and microbes do nothing short of amazing things for plants.

Is that in the torrent you linked? I'm no good with adobe reader, never really used it. Is there a way to turn all the pictures the correct way? I know I can probably do it for each picture individually. Only thing I'm mildly concerned about with the whole tea thing is the living room won't be mine alone when I move so I can't really have my stuff laying around there so it will have to be in my bedroom. Does it stink?

Yup, it's the torrent I linked. Only the first couple pages are sideways...I spent 10 minutes trying to figure how to turn it before just scrolling down lmao. Glad I wasn't the only one .

Just read yesterday if the tea stinks, it's being done wrong and has too much bacteria in it. Is supposed to smell sweet / earthy. Since I don't have a ton of plants, put 2 gallons of water in my 5 gallon...that way there won't be splashes of the mix anywhere from all the bubbles I got going on. I got the pump from wal-mart...I think it was 12 bucks and it has 2 nozzles for connection.

I'll start sending what info I find your way, and if you start looking into it, please do the same for me!

Will do a post showing what I'm doing and what I learn in the closet grow thread.

Wow I just noticed you have max rep already and you've only been here about 2 months, nice. I guess I'll go googling, but do you have a link to start me off? Before you mentioned it I never even heard of it. I thought you guys were talking about the tea we drink at first lol.

Pages 24 to 84 are sideways >.< Stopped scrolling past that.

that mammoth looks like a smaller version of mine... very green very resilient strain.... its basically the same look with out all the stress... beautiful man

Post some pics! I haven't seen anybodies BM on the threads.

I've done my grow on a serious budget. Started with no lights and just basic seedling compost (local hardware shop own brand). Got bits and pieces as I went along so she had a 125w 6400k CFL for vegging and I've just changed to a 125w 2700k for flowering. I'm only growing 1 plant and her name is Dorothy. She's around the same age as your girls and a NLxBB auto. She's getting fed Bio Bizz organic.

Here's the pics as promised. Sorry they're not so good; just used my phone for them.


I'm hoping for a halfway decent amount of bud to tide me over til I get Dorothy's sister raised up Second time should be easier!!