Notice to new growers, please read

been doing soil for 4 years still dont feel ready for hydro.plus i really like mixing my own soils and adding to fox farm soils imo fox farm is the best stuff on earth simply love it.

Filthy Phil said:

I guess we have different perspectives on what we would term educational and supportive. I feel that there is much for new growers to know and this is one of them imo. Also, you dont think its supportive to try to direct peoyle toward a path they will most likely be successful in? I know people who spent thousands more dollars on a setup that led them to failure than if tjey had just gone more simple. Additionally they werent even able to make up some of their losses with the clubs because their shit fried.

I dont see how this only equates to a rant to you. Im trying to help people avoid common mistakes, help them actually harvest some bud, not waste thousands of dollars and months worth of opportunity.

I see you have 7 posts....comb through peoples problem pages and you'll see what I mean

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I understand your motivation, its the execution that makes it come across as ranting rather than educating. The fact that I only have 7 posts really doesnt lead to any deduction of how much I have read. So I dont really get what you are getting at there. I am not trying to start a forum war here I am just saying if you have any info or advice to give, and you want it to be received with open ears, then you should adjust your approach.

Filthy Phil said:

So this message is for beginner growers who want to start up their setup. This message might be a little rude, but its for your own good....seriously.

I dont know how many times I see requests for help like this "so my plants are dying. They turned yellow, got all crispy, and died in a few days. Why is this happening? Im new to this" Or "my plants are dying, please help, im new to this." When you look at their pictures you see explanded clay pebbles, ebb and flow systems, deep water culture, yadda yadda ya. 1/10th of the problem photos are in soil/soiless...

What Im saying is...why would you EVER use these systems for your first time growing. I am certain people advized you against it. You probably thought to yourself, "Im good at things though, I'll make it work." Or "if I dont do something complicated my weed wont turn out good or I wont harveat enough!" This is NOT true.

Growing good bud is hard enough without adding more issues that complicated setups bring. LEARN HOW TO GROW FIRST! If you are not an experienced grower who can read leafs and know the strains they will grow with personal experience, then PLEASE dont use these systems. Stick to a soil/soilless mixture. You can still set up reservoirs and feeding systems if youre worried about working too hard.

Dont allow your arrogance to make you waste time and money. Sure, the guy at the hydro store is going to recommend it because it makes him the most money.

Just take my advice: DONT GROW DEEP WATER CULTURE, EBB AND GROW, EBB AND FLOW, AIROPONICS, BUBBLEPONICS, YOUR FIRST COUPLE TIMES. in fact...wait a few years.

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your an asshole thats what this web site is for.................not every one knows people that grow and it seems easy enough and its not that difficult...my friend is doing hydro his first time and he has 3 quarter ounce plants.............soil is more forgiving tho

not trying to toot my own horn but i did help him alot but this web site tought me everything i know............

To be honest peeps need to research the growing method they choose. Its only a plant BTW. Hey its all relative at the end of the day. Im a soil grower and know some newbs start with hydro and do just as well as me. Its always about the amount of research that has been done. Keep growing people!

lowrider2000 said:

your an asshole thats what this web site is for.................not every one knows people that grow and it seems easy enough and its not that difficult...my friend is doing hydro his first time and he has 3 quarter ounce plants.............soil is more forgiving tho

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Hes not a asshole, the basics of the rant were to do research, hydro will cock up without the proper education on the subject. its a more unforgiving style. soil is more forgiving. simples

then your an assole to lol hes bitching at people for having problems? whats this web site for? i understand what he is saying but everyone figures it out the hard way or quits........ growing is a passion some people have it some dont, i do know that the ones that do love growing will figure that shit out no matter what they got to do just might loose a plant or two along the way but thats how everyone learns.

The people with passion are looking for anwers, thats why the site is here. Im not saying its a bad thing starting out on hydro. Did ya not read my first post? Hey its about researching your style. also researching the plants behaviour to certain nute deficencies and intoxities. Its a prity basic quote. Im not a asshole, i love high ambious newbs. its great to have new people in the comunity. Read before the lines before asuming people are being assholes

I'm a noob and should be starting my first grow in the near future. Like a good noob I went to a class. I've been going back and forth on what medium to go with and asked the instructor (instructor does not own hydro store) " What medium gives a novice the best chance of growing quality bud". He said hydroponic. He stated that one major factor is PH levels, and those levels can be adjusted with more ease using hydro. i want to use Ebb and Flow in the future but will confess I was intimidated. I have been thinking that I will Go with "Bubble Boy" four plant bucket. It seems to be a good compromise. Looking forward to your input.

another problem is that newbies do research, find terrible advice, then run with it. Just cause some ass hat runs his plants at 1200 ppms does not mean it will work for you in your setup. Over feeding is without question the number one newbie mistake.

I agree with above, overfeeding is the most common noob mistake. Its also like some of the only shit you cant find an amswer for in a book, exactly how much to feed. If you feed too much in BOTH mediums it will kill your plant, however soil/soiless is a bit more forgiving.

I apologize of I was coming across as.an asshole...i'm not sure which is worse, giving the advice I give or letting the first words out of your mouth, or keyboard, to someone is ,"you're an asshole" it was just meant to help. Im not trying to bitch at anyone. Everyone is welcome to grow how they want, of course.

I also am not saying a person wont be successful if they start with anything but soil/soiless, I simply said learning plants can be hard enough without adding a complicated system. And I know, flood and drain isnt that complicated.

Take it easy guys...anonymity isnt a reason to get so confrontational.

Filthy Phil said:

So this message is for beginner growers who want to start up their setup. This message might be a little rude, but its for your own good....seriously.

I dont know how many times I see requests for help like this "so my plants are dying. They turned yellow, got all crispy, and died in a few days. Why is this happening? Im new to this" Or "my plants are dying, please help, im new to this." When you look at their pictures you see explanded clay pebbles, ebb and flow systems, deep water culture, yadda yadda ya. 1/10th of the problem photos are in soil/soiless...

What Im saying is...why would you EVER use these systems for your first time growing. I am certain people advized you against it. You probably thought to yourself, "Im good at things though, I'll make it work." Or "if I dont do something complicated my weed wont turn out good or I wont harveat enough!" This is NOT true.

Growing good bud is hard enough without adding more issues that complicated setups bring. LEARN HOW TO GROW FIRST! If you are not an experienced grower who can read leafs and know the strains they will grow with personal experience, then PLEASE dont use these systems. Stick to a soil/soilless mixture. You can still set up reservoirs and feeding systems if youre worried about working too hard.

Dont allow your arrogance to make you waste time and money. Sure, the guy at the hydro store is going to recommend it because it makes him the most money.

Just take my advice: DONT GROW DEEP WATER CULTURE, EBB AND GROW, EBB AND FLOW, AIROPONICS, BUBBLEPONICS, YOUR FIRST COUPLE TIMES. in fact...wait a few years.

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Uh yeah, its not rocket science . my first grow I knew nothing about growing . Was a very good dwc first grow.

i started with aeroponics, easiest thing ever just let the bubbles do the work and test Ph levels and nutrient levels every day or 2 and pay the electric bill, that was about it

Really, giving up at the first fall, whether in soil or hydro, would indicate a character flaw and they ain't gonna do much in life generally...and probably need to smoke more herb before growing it. |So some of the best advice on this thread yet has to be "Keep on growing!"....?

Filthy Phil said:

So this message is for beginner growers who want to start up their setup. This message might be a little rude, but its for your own good....seriously.

I dont know how many times I see requests for help like this "so my plants are dying. They turned yellow, got all crispy, and died in a few days. Why is this happening? Im new to this" Or "my plants are dying, please help, im new to this." When you look at their pictures you see explanded clay pebbles, ebb and flow systems, deep water culture, yadda yadda ya. 1/10th of the problem photos are in soil/soiless...

What Im saying is...why would you EVER use these systems for your first time growing. I am certain people advized you against it. You probably thought to yourself, "Im good at things though, I'll make it work." Or "if I dont do something complicated my weed wont turn out good or I wont harveat enough!" This is NOT true.

Growing good bud is hard enough without adding more issues that complicated setups bring. LEARN HOW TO GROW FIRST! If you are not an experienced grower who can read leafs and know the strains they will grow with personal experience, then PLEASE dont use these systems. Stick to a soil/soilless mixture. You can still set up reservoirs and feeding systems if youre worried about working too hard.

Dont allow your arrogance to make you waste time and money. Sure, the guy at the hydro store is going to recommend it because it makes him the most money.

Just take my advice: DONT GROW DEEP WATER CULTURE, EBB AND GROW, EBB AND FLOW, AIROPONICS, BUBBLEPONICS, YOUR FIRST COUPLE TIMES. in fact...wait a few years.

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I would like to politely disagree. I don't think success or failure has anything to do with whether you are a 'newbie' or not. I'm a 'newbie' and have been wildly successful. Although 20 years ago I did have a couple successful grows in soil under standard generic fluorescent bulbs. If you call getting a 1/4 zip after 6 months successful. LOL

i think the success or failure depends more on the following:

Are you a detail oriented person?

Do you have the money to invest in a PROPER grow setup? (ie. Lights, water chiller, CO2, dehumidifier, nutes, etc. . . )

Do you have the time to invest in caring for the your crop? Atleast an hour or two EVERY day!

Do you have 2-3 hours a day to read forums and grow related materials in an attempt to educate yourself on ALL things Cannabis?

Can you be consistant and maintain a daily vigil over your crop for 10-12 weeks?

Are you a dedicated person? Can you commit to DAILY responsibilities and maintain that level for extended periods of time?

I have ZERO experience with hydro before I read everything I could get my hands on. I did this for 2-3 months before I invested about $3k in my setup.

The bottom line is this. A hard working, dedicated newbie who is willing to invest the time, materials, money & patience WILL be successful in a hydro setup. Experience has little to do with success. However, patience, drive, willingness to learn and take advice, determination & budget more directly impact the success or failure than whether or not someone is a 'newbie'.

I have some experience in soil grows and ALMOST nothing I learned by growing in soil is drectly related to hydro. With the exception of the traits I described above.

I'll post a current pic of my 1st time growing in a DWC setup. These plants were germinated/seedlings for about 10 days to 2 weeks, then veg'd for 4 weeks. The pic below is the end of the 1st week of flowering 12/12.
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb393/HydroDawg/E4BBEC82.jpg

Current DWC pic


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hydro dog 421 are u for real ? i read 4 pages of this and it ends with that crap..lol.....

wayno30 said:

hydro dog 421 are u for real ? i read 4 pages of this and it ends with that crap..lol.....

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ABSOLUTELY!!! And I have the picture to prove it. See above! According to FilthyPhil I cannot be a successful grower since I don't have any hydro experience. I think I just proved that wrong!

It has everything to do with personality traits and very little to do with experience. ANYONE can grow hydro if they put in the time and effort. PERIOD. THE END.

Dawg, how many hydro grows have you finished? Remember that most of the newbies that screw up their hydro grows do it in bloom, not in veg.

u definately have an excellent point about personality traits these new guys with the questions are stupid and lazy for the most part a bunch of dumbass kids ......i guess what caught my attention more than anything was a hour or two a day with the plants.................... what are u doing ??? i open the door everyday make sure there still in there............3 grand sounds like a lot for 5 or 6 buckets