Now is the time for Republicans to embrace

Beagler said:
The govt needs/wants a way to tax it some how, some way.

I'd be more than happy with legal grow and possess myself and would even buy a license to do so, as I do for hunting and fishing
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I'm not worried about taxes.
I'm worried about restrictions.
There is no way to sell commercially without the
-USDA
-FDA
-ATF
-Treasury Department getting involved

And you know that as soon as it was legalized Corporate interests would try to get legislation making it against the law to produce and sell it.

in Colorado there are 136 pages of laws on the books just for selling
And more pages on how many plants you can grow for personal use

In Arizona you cannot grow legally within 25 miles of a dispensary.
In Illinois you cannot buy medical if you have a Felony

make it simple
Legal to grow and possess
Illegal to sell

If everyone grew. There would be no market. And nothing would stop you from giving it away if you wanted
 
beenthere said:
Look, all I'm saying is, when a 50+year old woman finds herself single and self supporting, the last thing you would expect them to do is waste time on a pot forum. I understand you say you're taking some college courses to better yourself but, really, don't you have more important things to do right now? Couldn't you devote the time you spend on here to finding a part time job and bring in some extra money?
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actually, i've made a careful study of "on the dole" and if you haven't figured it out yet..i'm doing the EXACT same thing that the 1% do..they use loopholes and so do i..

also, thank you for your donation to the $830 refund that i will receive from paying NO taxes in 2013.




 
ChesusRice said:
I'm not worried about taxes.
I'm worried about restrictions.
There is no way to sell commercially without the
-USDA
-FDA
-ATF
-Treasury Department getting involved

And you know that as soon as it was legalized Corporate interests would try to get legislation making it against the law to produce and sell it.

in Colorado there are 136 pages of laws on the books just for selling
And more pages on how many plants you can grow for personal use

In Arizona you cannot grow legally within 25 miles of a dispensary.
In Illinois you cannot buy medical if you have a Felony

make it simple
Legal to grow and possess
Illegal to sell

If everyone grew. There would be no market. And nothing would stop you from giving it away if you wanted
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just continue to grow at home, if it's for personal and basic gift giving like moonshine, micro-brew..unless they conduct door-to-door, how would they know?..bigger fish to fry than the home grower.

if you wanted to do commercial, well then you pull licensing just like any other business and pay taxes accordingly.
 
I would be very supportive of total legalization including selling if it didnt restrict being able to grow your own.
But what advocates forget is that even after alchohol prohibition ended it wasnt until 1978 that the feds allowed you to brew your own beer at home. The last state to fold on home brewing was Alabama last year. Sometimes the biggest enemys of ending prohibition are those that are profiting from it.
 
ChesusRice said:
I'm not worried about taxes.
I'm worried about restrictions.
There is no way to sell commercially without the
-USDA
-FDA
-ATF
-Treasury Department getting involved

And you know that as soon as it was legalized Corporate interests would try to get legislation making it against the law to produce and sell it.

in Colorado there are 136 pages of laws on the books just for selling
And more pages on how many plants you can grow for personal use

In Arizona you cannot grow legally within 25 miles of a dispensary.
In Illinois you cannot buy medical if you have a Felony

make it simple
Legal to grow and possess
Illegal to sell

If everyone grew. There would be no market. And nothing would stop you from giving it away if you wanted
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What about people who can't or won't grow their own and want to buy it?
 
Beagler said:
What about people who can't or won't grow their own and want to buy it?
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Well there will always be people willing to take a risk for the right amount of money;-)

And if it was legal to grow and possess

How much do you think cops would care?
 
schuylaar said:
actually, i've made a careful study of "on the dole" and if you haven't figured it out yet..i'm doing the EXACT same thing that the 1% do..they use loopholes and so do i..

also, thank you for your donation to the $830 refund that i will receive from paying NO taxes in 2013.
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Understood, but a 50+year old middle aged woman on her own is a scary proposition, the last thing I would expect you to do is waste time on a pot forum. Are taking a few college courses enough, don't you agree you have more important things to do right now? Couldn't you devote the time you spend on here to finding a part time job instead of living entirely off tax payer money?
 
ChesusRice said:
I'm not worried about taxes.
I'm worried about restrictions.
There is no way to sell commercially without the
-USDA
-FDA
-ATF
-Treasury Department getting involved

And you know that as soon as it was legalized Corporate interests would try to get legislation making it against the law to produce and sell it.

in Colorado there are 136 pages of laws on the books just for selling
And more pages on how many plants you can grow for personal use

In Arizona you cannot grow legally within 25 miles of a dispensary.
In Illinois you cannot buy medical if you have a Felony

make it simple
Legal to grow and possess
Illegal to sell

If everyone grew. There would be no market. And nothing would stop you from giving it away if you wanted
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If everyone was "allowed" to grow, something you are unfamiliar with would happen.....freedom. All of the bureaucracy you mention above is not a justification for continued bureaucracy and continued jailing people for engaging in consensual behavior.

Nothing should stop anybody from giving it away or engaging in free trade. Laws and bullshit regulations that do, restrict freedom. People that advocate restrictions on free choices are enslavers. So you are not only a prohibitionist slave, you lick the boots of the enslavers. What is wrong with letting people make their own choices?
 
Beagler said:
Why does Obama bother making a speech saying MJ is less harmful than alcohol, yet do nothing about the issue?
Did he even voice his opinion about what is going on at state levels in pro-mj states?
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He is doing something
Not busting those that comply with state laws in legal states
Holder is now coming up with guidance for Banks that want to deal with the money

Why you complain so much about the Black man in the White house?
 
Rob Roy said:
If everyone was "allowed" to grow, something you are unfamiliar with would happen.....freedom. All of the bureaucracy you mention above is not a justification for continued bureaucracy and continued jailing people for engaging in consensual behavior.

Nothing should stop anybody from giving it away or engaging in free trade. Laws and bullshit regulations that do, restrict freedom. People that advocate restrictions on free choices are enslavers. So you are not only a prohibitionist slave, you lick the boots of the enslavers. What is wrong with letting people make their own choices?
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Hey Boy ROb

Try making some beer or whiskey AND selling it
Or how about Cigarettes?
maybe you can produce some Pharmaceuticals and sell them?

Now lets get to some meaty questions

What have you accomplished in life?
 
schuylaar said:
just continue to grow at home, if it's for personal and basic gift giving like moonshine, micro-brew..unless they conduct door-to-door, how would they know?..bigger fish to fry than the home grower.

if you wanted to do commercial, well then you pull licensing just like any other business and pay taxes accordingly.
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Anytime you involve the government and seek permission to engage in peaceful and consensual behavior you enable the stupidity. You might consider that you own yourself and seeking permission is a form of slavery.

A person is enslaved when they are forbidden to exercise dominion over themselves or their property or when "permission" must be sought and granted to do the same..
 
Rob Roy said:
Anytime you involve the government and seek permission to engage in peaceful and consensual behavior you enable the stupidity. You might consider that you own yourself and seeking permission is a form of slavery.

A person is enslaved when they are forbidden to exercise dominion over themselves or their property or when "permission" must be sought and granted to do the same..
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Lets allow commercial sales of weed with no goverment at all
So I can sell to 12 year old kids
Or use DDT on my crops

So fucking what if this batch of weed was picked to early and aint potent
Ill already have recieved the money and will just rebrand my next batch
 
ChesusRice said:
He is doing something
Not busting those that comply with state laws in legal states
Holder is now coming up with guidance for Banks that want to deal with the money

Why you complain so much about the Black man in the White house?
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So he is taking action by being inactive on the issue?
 
ChesusRice said:
Well there will always be people willing to take a risk for the right amount of money;-)

And if it was legal to grow and possess

How much do you think cops would care?
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That still gives the cops a reason to kick down your door and charge you with dealing whether it is happening or not.
 
ChesusRice said:
Lets allow commercial sales of weed with no goverment at all
So I can sell to 12 year old kids
Or use DDT on my crops

So fucking what if this batch of weed was picked to early and aint potent
Ill already have recieved the money and will just rebrand my next batch
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You cant have an up front discussion of legal pot sales without bringing up strawmen like sales to 12 year olds? Do you think the dealer up the street currently has standards?? LOL!!!

Regulate it like alcohol. Yes, kids are going to get it but they get it now. Work on prevention not punishment...
 
NLXSK1 said:
You cant have an up front discussion of legal pot sales without bringing up strawmen like sales to 12 year olds? Do you think the dealer up the street currently has standards?? LOL!!!

Regulate it like alcohol. Yes, kids are going to get it but they get it now. Work on prevention not punishment...
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If you regulate it like alchohol
Then
1 You wont be able to sell it without a few hundred grand investment
2 you would have all the same Alphabet agencys that you would have to comply with Including inspection of your facilities

Thanks for reiterating my concern about the legal commercial sale of Marijuana

You can start here reading the 136 pages of laws for retail sales of Marijuana in Colorado
Imagine how many more regs there will be if the Feds allow it as well
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellit...goBlobs&blobwhere=1251888487553&ssbinary=true
 
beenthere said:
Look, all I'm saying is, when a 50+year old woman finds herself single and self supporting, the last thing you would expect them to do is waste time on a pot forum. I understand you say you're taking some college courses to better yourself but, really, don't you have more important things to do right now? Couldn't you devote the time you spend on here to finding a part time job and bring in some extra money?
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When she's not self supporting, does that change things?
 
schuylaar said:
actually, i've made a careful study of "on the dole" and if you haven't figured it out yet..i'm doing the EXACT same thing that the 1% do..they use loopholes and so do i.. also, thank you for your donation to the $830 refund that i will receive from paying NO taxes in 2013.
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Self-serving lie^^^^^^^^^^
 
Look how easy it is to sell in Colorado
Here is the index
Table of Contents

R 100 Series – General Applicability ............................................................................................................................................. 1

R 102 – Severability.................................................................................................................................................................... 1

R 103 – Definitions ..................................................................................................................................................................... 1

R 104 – Declaratory Orders Concerning the Retail Code ....................................................................................................... 7

R 105 – Computation of Time .................................................................................................................................................... 9

R 200 Series – Licensing .............................................................................................................................................................. 10

R 201 – Complete Applications Required: Retail Marijuana Establishments ..................................................................... 10

R 202 – Process for Issuing a New License: Retail Marijuana Establishments .................................................................. 11

R 203 – Process for Renewing a License: Retail Marijuana Establishments ..................................................................... 13

R 204 – Factors Considered When Evaluating Ownership of a License: Retail Marijuana Establishments .................... 14

R 205 – Transfer of Ownership and Changes in Business Structure: Retail Marijuana Establishments ........................ 15

R 206 – Changing Location of Licensed Premises: Retail Marijuana Establishments ...................................................... 17

R 207 – Schedule of Application Fees: Retail Marijuana Establishments .......................................................................... 18

R 208 – Schedule of Business License Fees: Retail Marijuana Establishments ............................................................... 19

R 209 – Schedule of Business License Renewal Fees: Retail Marijuana Establishments ................................................ 20

R 210 – Schedule of Administrative Service Fees: All Licensees ....................................................................................... 21

R 211 – Conversion - Medical Marijuana Business to Retail Marijuana Establishment .................................................... 22

R 230 – Complete Applications Required: Individuals ......................................................................................................... 23

R 231 – Qualifications for Licensure: Individuals ................................................................................................................. 24

R 232 – Factors Considered When Determining Residency: Individuals ........................................................................... 27

R 233 – Medical Code or Retail Code Occupational Licenses Required ............................................................................ 28

R 250 – Licensee Required to Keep Mailing Address Current with the Division: All Licensees ...................................... 29

R 251 – Application Denial and Voluntary Withdrawal: All Licensees ................................................................................ 29

R 252 – License Must Be Renewed Each Year: All Licensees ............................................................................................. 31

R 300 Series – The Licensed Premises ....................................................................................................................................... 32

R 301 – Limited Access Areas ................................................................................................................................................ 32

R 302 – Possession of Licensed Premises ............................................................................................................................ 33

R 303 – Changing, Altering, or Modifying Licensed Premises ............................................................................................ 34

R 304 – Medical Marijuana Business and Retail Marijuana Establishment – Shared Licensed Premises and

Operational Separation ............................................................................................................................................................ 35

R 305 – Security Alarm Systems and Lock Standards ......................................................................................................... 36

R 306 - Video Surveillance ....................................................................................................................................................... 37

R 307 – Waste Disposal ........................................................................................................................................................... 41

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R 308 – Selling, Serving, Distributing and Transporting Retail Marijuana and Retail Marijuana Product - Hours of

Operation .................................................................................................................................................................................. 42

R 309 – Retail Marijuana Establishments: Marijuana Inventory Tracking Solution (MITS) .............................................. 43

R 400 Series – Retail Marijuana Stores ....................................................................................................................................... 47

R 401 – Retail Marijuana Store: License Privileges .............................................................................................................. 47

R 402 – Retail Marijuana Sales: General Limitations or Prohibited Acts ............................................................................ 48

R 403 – Point of Sale: Restricted Access Area ...................................................................................................................... 49

R 404 – Acceptable Forms of Identification for Retail Sales ................................................................................................ 50

R 405 – Retail Marijuana Store: Marijuana Inventory Tracking Solution ............................................................................ 51

R 406 –Retail Marijuana Store: Health and Safety Regulations: .......................................................................................... 52

R 500 Series – Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facilities ............................................................................................................... 54

R 501 – Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility: License Privileges ........................................................................................ 54

R 502 – Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility: General Limitations or Prohibited Acts ..................................................... 54

R 503 – Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility: Marijuana Inventory Tracking Solution (MITS) .......................................... 55

R 504 – Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility: Health and Safety Regulations ................................................................... 56

R 505 – Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facilities: Testing Requirements .............................................................................. 62

R 600 Series – Retail Marijuana Products Manufacturing Facilities ........................................................................................ 63

R 601 – Retail Marijuana Products Manufacturing Facilities: License Privileges .............................................................. 63

R 602 – Retail Marijuana Products Manufacturing Facility: General Limitations or Prohibited Acts .............................. 64

R 603 – Retail Marijuana Products Manufacturing Facility: Marijuana Inventory Tracking Solution (MITS) ................... 65

R 604 – Health and Safety Regulations: Retail Marijuana Products Manufacturing Facility ............................................ 65

R 700 Series – Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities ..................................................................................................................... 68

R 701 - Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: License Privileges ........................................................................................... 68

R 702 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: General Limitations or Prohibited Acts ......................................................... 68

R 703 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Certification Requirements ............................................................................. 69

R 704 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Personnel ........................................................................................................ 71

R 705 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Standard Operating Procedure Manual ......................................................... 73

R 706 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Analytical Processes ....................................................................................... 75

R 707 – Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Proficiency Testing ......................................................................................... 78

R 708 – Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Quality Assurance and Quality Control ........................................................ 79

R 709 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Chain of Custody ............................................................................................. 80

R 710 –Retail Marijuana Testing Facilities: Records Retention ........................................................................................... 81

R 711 –Reporting ...................................................................................................................................................................... 82

R 800 Series – Transport and Storage ........................................................................................................................................ 83

R 801 – Transport of Retail Marijuana and Retail Marijuana Product ................................................................................. 83

R 802 – Off-Premises Storage of Retail Marijuana and Retail Marijuana Product ............................................................. 85

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R 900 Series – Business Records ............................................................................................................................................... 88

R 901 – Business Records Required ...................................................................................................................................... 88

R 902 – Reporting and Transmittal of Taxes ......................................................................................................................... 89

R 903 – Independent Audit May Be Required ........................................................................................................................ 90

R 904 – Manager Change Must Be Reported ......................................................................................................................... 91

R 1000 Series – Labeling, Packaging, and Product Safety ....................................................................................................... 92

R 1001 – Labeling and Packaging Requirements: General Applicability ............................................................................ 92

R 1002 – Packaging and Labeling of Retail Marijuana by a Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility or a Retail Marijuana

Products Manufacturing Facility ............................................................................................................................................. 93

R 1003 – Packaging and Labeling of Retail Marijuana Concentrates by a Retail Marijuana Cultivation Facility or a

Retail Marijuana Products Manufacturing Facility. ............................................................................................................... 94

R 1004 – Packaging and Labeling Requirements of a Retail Marijuana Product by a Retail Marijuana Products

Manufacturing Facility ............................................................................................................................................................. 96

R 1005 – Packaging and Labeling of Retail Marijuana by a Retail Marijuana Store ........................................................... 99

R 1006 – Packaging and Labeling of Retail Marijuana Product by a Retail Marijuana Store .......................................... 101

R 1007 – Packaging and Labeling of Retail Marijuana Concentrates by a Retail Marijuana Store ................................. 104

R 1100 Series – Signage and Advertising ................................................................................................................................ 107

R 1102 – Advertising General Requirement: No Deceptive, False or Misleading Statements ........................................ 107

R 1103 – The Term “Minor” as Used in the Retail Code and These Rules ....................................................................... 107

R 1104 –Advertising: Television ........................................................................................................................................... 108

R 1105 –Advertising: Radio ................................................................................................................................................... 109

R 1106 –Advertising: Print Media ......................................................................................................................................... 110

R 1107 –Advertising: Internet ................................................................................................................................................ 111

R 1108 – Advertising: Targeting Out-of-State Persons Prohibited. ................................................................................... 111

R 1109 – Signage and Advertising: No Safety Claims Because Regulated by State Licensing Authority .................... 112

R 1110– Signage and Advertising: No Safety Claims Because Tested by a Retail Marijuana Testing Facility ............. 112

R 1111– Signage and Advertising: Outdoor Advertising ................................................................................................... 113

R 1112– Signage and Advertising: No Content That Targets Minors ................................................................................ 114

R 1113 – Advertising: Advertising via Marketing Directed Toward Location-Based Devices ........................................ 115

R 1114 – Pop-Up Advertising ................................................................................................................................................ 116

R 1115 – Advertising: Event Sponsorship ........................................................................................................................... 117

R 1200 Series – Enforcement ..................................................................................................................................................... 118

R 1201 – Duties of Officers and Employees of the State Licensing Authority ................................................................. 118

R 1203 – Disposition of Unauthorized Retail Marijuana ..................................................................................................... 121

R 1300 Series – Discipline .......................................................................................................................................................... 123

R 1301 – Disciplinary Process: Non-Summary Suspensions ............................................................................................ 123

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R 1302 – Disciplinary Process: Summary Suspensions .................................................................................................... 123

R 1303 – Suspension Process: Regular and Summary Suspensions ............................................................................... 124

R 1304 – Administrative Hearings ........................................................................................................................................ 126

R 1305 – Administrative Subpoenas .................................................................................................................................... 130

R 1306 – Administrative Hearing Appeals/Exceptions to Initial Decision ........................................................................ 131

R 1307 – Penalties .................................................................................................................................................................. 132

R 1400 Series – Division, Local Jurisdiction, and Law Enforcement Procedures ................................................................ 135

R 1401 – Instructions for Local Jurisdictions and Law Enforcement Officers ................................................................. 135
 
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