Nutrient Soup

here is a pic of the largest cola from the fluffly grow i was talkin about with a 2 liter soda bottle next to it, just for kicks:

hey guys. so I think I started the lucas ofrmaula talk and the reservoir changes so here is what has worked well for me. I use a method thats in between the extremes listed on this thread. I use the lucas formula at 0-8-16 in veg and in flower because no florescents are being used. I change my res and clean it very good once a cycle. I use this formaula and have had excellent results. The res is topped off with new nutes to bring back to the desired level of around 1000 at a .7 scale. I believe this works because the nutrient soup provides the exact ratio needed by a cannabis plant and therefore does not get out of whack or ratios if used the entire time. I even cheat this formula with good results by adding small amounts of additives at the right times and always topping off with lucas formaula to desired ppm. If you change your nutes weekly yes you can use more aggressive additives and soups because you always refill or remix it weekly. If growth and yield is your only variable this is the way to go. I use this method because when adding in the veriables of water consumption, labor, cost of nutes , and a responsibility not to dump a load of nutes down the drain or in your yard (it all gets into our water system) then this method is by far better for me. I get yields just as large as when I used to change weekly with lots of additives. I believe this is so because this method makes it extremely easy to keep your ph right on (extremely important) and have no nutrient deficiencies or nute lockout caused by overfeeding of one of the nutrients that is almost surely going to get to high when using a full nutrient soup with lots of additives. I use additives that are organic and hormonal like kelp extracts and gravity, purplemaxx, and bushmaster. The practicalness of this method is guaranteed good results. In theory the regular change method is could be better but in reality ive found it no better due to more ph fluctuations and nute defiiencies caused by under over feeding of specific nutes in a soup of many products. this method can be applied to any kind of nutrients and goes back to the needs of the plants which are needed in a ratio for the cannabis plant of 100-100-200-60 in npkmg. all nutrients can be applied in this ratio with a little research th gh products of micro and bloom with 8ml and 16ml per gallon respectively are an inexpensive and easy way to achieve it. remember the recomondations on the label are for any plant not a cannabis plant. that being said all strains are different and you might need to raise the amount not the ratio for a given strain. wow that is a long reply. lol remember keeping the earth clean is all our jobs for our generations to come.

side note--as far as the fan leaves yellowing at the end of the cycle this is a natural thing and is good. the plants are pulling the nitrogen out of the leaves that they have stored there and you end up with good smoke. if your fan leaves do not yellow at all by harvest then your using way to much nitrogen somewhere in your cycle. probably in flowering. If this happens and it doea sometimes with certain strains it can be treated by foliar spraying the affected plants with a grow formula containing nitrogen. this stops the adding of nitrogen to the res when all plants are not showing to much or too early yellowing. Lucas claims there is no flush needed with this system to produce medicine grade smoke. maxxing out a plants potential to the absolute max will only increase yield not quality. i would not smoke anything that never yellowed at all because it woulb be loaded with nutrients and i prefer not to smoke chems. I just top off with plain water the last week or so with no res change or flush and the fan leves yellow which tells me the plant is using up all the nutes it has stored which is what i want to smoke good clean medicine.

panda those are very impressive collas. are those on a plant that has been flowered once or twice before? you are doing lots of things right to achieve that. remember there are many right ways to do things when dealing with plants. every grower has to decide which is the best right for you. I like to optimize the efficiency of my inputs also. peace.

mocrystalized said:

panda those are very impressive collas. are those on a plant that has been flowered once or twice before? you are doing lots of things right to achieve that. remember there are many right ways to do things when dealing with plants. every grower has to decide which is the best right for you. I like to optimize the efficiency of my inputs also. peace.

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thanks man, these were straight from seed. Feminized white widow from Greenhouse Seed Co.

the pics are of the biggest plant and cola. I just now got my clones up and running from that monster, the batch im harvesting now was cloned from a ww plant in the middle of my setup and not from that monster one. so im wondering if thats way my yield doesnt look as big.

Im hopeing this monster one may be some super badass pheno of ww. so i got 5 clones marinading ill will update in 2 months

u think its possible that out of 5 feminized seeds you could get one that was so much better than the others? like i guess u always have a strongest twin out of triplets? maybe i found the holy grail pheno of ww one can have dreams cant he. anyway i guess ill just have to wait and see. ima let the next batch get as tall as my 8' cieling allow could get a lil tricky

if you notice in the pics i came about | | that close to having them not fit in my closet anymore. this time there really was a monster im my closet mom

btw i dont live with my mom

mocrystalized said:

hey guys. so I think I started the lucas ofrmaula talk and the reservoir changes so here is what has worked well for me. I use a method thats in between the extremes listed on this thread. I use the lucas formula at 0-8-16 in veg and in flower because no florescents are being used. I change my res and clean it very good once a cycle. I use this formaula and have had excellent results. The res is topped off with new nutes to bring back to the desired level of around 1000 at a .7 scale. I believe this works because the nutrient soup provides the exact ratio needed by a cannabis plant and therefore does not get out of whack or ratios if used the entire time. I even cheat this formula with good results by adding small amounts of additives at the right times and always topping off with lucas formaula to desired ppm. If you change your nutes weekly yes you can use more aggressive additives and soups because you always refill or remix it weekly. If growth and yield is your only variable this is the way to go. I use this method because when adding in the veriables of water consumption, labor, cost of nutes , and a responsibility not to dump a load of nutes down the drain or in your yard (it all gets into our water system) then this method is by far better for me. I get yields just as large as when I used to change weekly with lots of additives. I believe this is so because this method makes it extremely easy to keep your ph right on (extremely important) and have no nutrient deficiencies or nute lockout caused by overfeeding of one of the nutrients that is almost surely going to get to high when using a full nutrient soup with lots of additives. I use additives that are organic and hormonal like kelp extracts and gravity, purplemaxx, and bushmaster. The practicalness of this method is guaranteed good results. In theory the regular change method is could be better but in reality ive found it no better due to more ph fluctuations and nute defiiencies caused by under over feeding of specific nutes in a soup of many products. this method can be applied to any kind of nutrients and goes back to the needs of the plants which are needed in a ratio for the cannabis plant of 100-100-200-60 in npkmg. all nutrients can be applied in this ratio with a little research th gh products of micro and bloom with 8ml and 16ml per gallon respectively are an inexpensive and easy way to achieve it. remember the recomondations on the label are for any plant not a cannabis plant. that being said all strains are different and you might need to raise the amount not the ratio for a given strain. wow that is a long reply. lol remember keeping the earth clean is all our jobs for our generations to come.

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hey mo, what do you do with the drained nutes then, how do you dispose of it? Also if the nutes went into the ground, wouldnt plants in the dirt use it before it got into the water supply?

mine drains into the drain for my airconditioning system and it leads outside to my grass. lol i should go look over there maybe the grass is like 10ft high.

but my res is 28 gallons, thats a lot of water to be carryin around. how big is your res? i also have a little fridge style water line i wired into the room so i dont have to carry water to refill the res

I'v been using the GH maxibloom and maxigrow. is the flora version an additive or would i want to switch to using that instead i dont want to nute burn my girls

question for the PBP users: is this for soil or hydro?


edit: nevermind, i just noticed this was in the hydro/aero section!!!

I use General Hydroponics grow, microgrow and bloom. I tryed the cha ching and bud blaster before but made the mistake of not using a lower nutrient base before using additives. In my flower room I get 4.5 pds out of 4200 watts and that is with a max ppm of 1300 during flower. I have found that if you just keep it fuckin simple and do not beat them up by taking too many clones, topping and being obesessive then you will have awesome results.

I'm using GH flora micro, Maxigrow and maxiboom.
this is my first grow(and only) so far https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/90410-first-grow-need-advice-4.html

SOUP is right. I use AN 3 part (micro, bloom grow) with a myriad of their additives(sensizym, tarantula, piranha, voodoo juice, Mother Earth Tea, big bud, bud blood, sweet leaf, carbo load & overdrive) ......maybe I am getting ripped off, but every grow I add a new additive & I see a new area of growth, so I am fine with being "sold" on AN's products. Still cheaper than buying my ounces for 200 or more on the streets. I get at minimum 5 ounces (as much as 11) for 350.

For Veg
Week 1 @ 400PPM
Week 2-4 @600 PPM
GH Flora Grow/Micro/Bloom
SM-90
Hygrozyme
Flora Nectar Sweetener
Diamond Nectar

In Flower:
Week 5 (First Week Flower) 800 PPM
Week 6-7 1000 PPM
Week 8-10 1500 PPM
Week 11 1000 PPM
Week 12 Flush

GH Bloom/Micro/Grow
Flora Nectar Sweetner
Diamond Nectar
Kool Bloom (Liquid for first 3 weeks and then switch to powder Kool Bloom)
Little bit of SM-90
Gravity at week 9 (3 weeks to harvest)
Last 1-2 days I leave the plants in the dark (24 dark) and with no water. This stresses them into more resin production before I cut them down.

Good stuff, notavailable!

Just a couple of things,

do you need both the sm90 and hygrozyme?

do you need to use FloraNectar during veg? What does GH say?

the Diamond Nectar (fulvic acid) is good only during veg to my knowledge

with all of those additives in Flowering, is that your total ppm? With stuff like the Kool Bloom powder, you really have to cut down on the Flora series nutes.

HTH

potroast said:

Good stuff, notavailable!

Just a couple of things,

do you need both the sm90 and hygrozyme?

do you need to use FloraNectar during veg? What does GH say?

the Diamond Nectar (fulvic acid) is good only during veg to my knowledge

with all of those additives in Flowering, is that your total ppm? With stuff like the Kool Bloom powder, you really have to cut down on the Flora series nutes.

HTH

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Thanks. You raise a couple of good questions.

Do I need both SM-90 and Hygrozyme. Im not positive. I know they both help with the roots. Could be overkill.

Believe it or not, Im on my 2nd cycle. Still a newb. So all advice is welcome. Especially since Im a bit of a perfectionist.

Flora nectar is recommend during Veg as well as Flower. GH recommends 5ML during veg and 10ML for Flower.

I didnt know that about Diamond Nectar. GH doesn't really specify when this should stop being used. From your experience this is best utilized during Veg only?

I should note that if I add Gravity, then Ill drop my PPM's by 1/3 and raise my lights.

My total PPM is as stated above though. Again with the exception of if I add Gravity.

FloraNectar is a new product, so it isn't listed on any schedules. If you haven't seen GH's feeding advice, here it is:

GENERAL HYDROPONICS

HTH

Thanks Potroast.

Follow up to the Hygrozyme + SM-90. I use them together as the Hygrozyme helps with decaying roots, and the SM-90's oils help fight nasty pathogens. The advantage of hygrozyme is that is has no bacteria, so you can use it safely in conjunction with SM-90, Hydrogaurd, or Green Fuse.

I use the GH Calculator:

GENERAL HYDROPONICS

I'm in my first week of flower, and I am using the hardwater "Transition" model:

FloraGrow: 100ml
FloraBloom: 100ml
FloraMicro(HW): 100ml
FloraBlend: 100ml
Liquid Koolbloom: 25ml
Floraliscious+: 10ml
SuperThrive: 1 tsp
H2O2 (3%): 120ml

5 gal tap and 5 gal distilled water mixed to EC 2.8 / 1400 ppm @ 6.2pH. Added 2 T pH down for a final 5.8pH.

It's my first grow, and I'm happy with the results. Maybe Potroast can check out my grow and see if he agrees.

potroast said:

hey Widow, that's a nice looking soup recipe. One thing tho, that hygrozyme is good stuff to use, and the bcuzz organic additive, both are being killed off by the h2o2. Those things have a hard enough time with the chemicals in the soup, they don't need the peroxide. Why are you using it every watering?

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Hi
I email the folks at hygrozyme and they said Hygrozyme can be used with H2O2
I have stopped using H2o2 and just installed some good air stones in my tank and Brain.
I use a Ebb n Grow 9 inch buckets with a 10 inch foot print.

i dont know if i'm hurting my girls but i'm using a combination of sherts 10-15-10 and darids grow bloom. and i'm now using about three times the recommended amount 7th week into flower. i figured i can deal with a little nute burn. am i harming them. david's is organic 0-7-4