LMAO There are no such things as basements in NorCal.
Obama Caught on Tape "I believe in redistribution"
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M B P
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my second home is a house with a basement... in norcal.
that makes me sound rich... let me rephrase.... my gay partners father passed several years back... leaving him/us his house in the central valley. Anyone want to buy it? its nice... Old and falling apart... but... it has a basement.
ChesusRice
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You just got on the exclusive list for that one
Balzac89
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What about the redistribution of middle class wealth by the elite? With the creation of Credit trillions of dollars worth of consumer assets were eroded to the point the middle class has died. Also what little the poor has is being stripped by credit.
yay for captialism, yay for a debt based economy!
NLXSK1
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The funny thing is when he made those statements... Who was in office? Clinton!!!
Yep, he was railing against the Clinton administration... LOL! Probably in reference to Workfare...
NLXSK1
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This is not correct.
Re-distribution of wealth means you take it from one person and give it to another.
A road is built by taking money from one person but the road ultimately benefits everyone.
A welfare payment is money taken from one person sent in a check that directly benefits another person. This is re-distribution of wealth.
abandonconflict
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if I saw your plants, I would give them nitrogen.
I don't let newbies touch my plants but I do appreciate your concern!
So you lived in the "no basement" capital of the world, but it had basements? Then how the in the hell did it get that name?????? Is that progressive logic? LOL
londonfog
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as usually the Fox and Drudge watchers and readers only are allowed to see and read parts of what was said by our President. Kinda sad to see so many fooled by incomplete media.. Here is what Obama said without the trickery of omissions.
As we think about the policy research surrounding the issues that I just named — policy research for the working poor, broadly defined — I think that what we're gonna have to do is somehow resuscitate the notion that government action can be effective at all. There has been a systematic, I don't think it's too strong to call it a propaganda campaign, against the possibility of government action and its efficacy. And I think some of it has been deserved. Chicago Housing Authority has not been a model of good policy making. And neither necessarily have been the Chicago public schools. What that means then is that as we try to resuscitate this notion that we're all in this thing together, leave nobody behind, we do have to be innovative in thinking how, what are the delivery systems that are actually effective and meet people where they live, and my suggestion I guess would be that the trick, and this is one of the few areas where I think there have to be technical issues that have to be dealt with as opposed to just political issues, how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution, because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.”
The omitted part is in bold. Obama is not talking about redistributing wealth at all .. instead, he speaks about competition, the market place and innovation in an effort to improve government services in Chicago.
Knowing and only seeking half the story makes you seem dumb...just like this thread. Stop falling for sound bites without checking to see what was fully said.
NLXSK1
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So, the sentence above the one that is bolded says that Obama BELIEVES IN REDISTRIBUTION.
The next sentence talks about the technical issues of redistribution.
And you got from it he wasnt talking about redistribution....
The above poster is the product of the public education system.
Thanks for the confirmation, I had to read the damn thing three times. I couldn't understand what point london was trying to make, now it's obvious to me that he doesn't have a clue what he has posted.
"how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution, because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot".
londonfog
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The point is lost on you because you are too stupid to understand. I suggest you go look at the whole 1998 video with someone who is a bit more educated than yourself...then have them explain it to you. Obama was not championing the wholesale redistribution of wealth, Obama was advocating a competitive, free-market system in which "everybody's got a shot" -- no different from comments he made during his 2008 campaign.
A progressive tax code, the Medicare program, the Medicaid program, the food stamp program, the Social Security program are all means of redistribution. Do you hate all programs that redistributes ???? You fools hear a big word and get all confused. Stop starting threads before you do your research.
abandonconflict
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"It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more."
Adam Smith
Adam Smith
abandonconflict
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it is a good thing you don't touch them, but you ought to feed them
Fungus Gnat
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"Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by the individual." --Thomas Jefferson, 1784
Mr Neutron
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How is La Paz for growing?
abandonconflict
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"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
canndo
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All taxation is redistribution unless all tax payers demand identical services and make indentical amounts of money.
This "redistribution" cannard is just one example of the right's single minded interpretation of anything they don't understand as being baaaad.
I have shown several times on this website that conservatives actually believe in redistribution, so long as it is taking from the poor and middle class and giving to the rich. I posted a chart indicating that wages have remained flat over the last several decades while income for the rich has increased - even as production has increased - that would indicate..... redistribution.
But conservatives have no problem with that sort of redistribution, it is only when the money flows the other way that they have a problem.
This "redistribution" cannard is just one example of the right's single minded interpretation of anything they don't understand as being baaaad.
I have shown several times on this website that conservatives actually believe in redistribution, so long as it is taking from the poor and middle class and giving to the rich. I posted a chart indicating that wages have remained flat over the last several decades while income for the rich has increased - even as production has increased - that would indicate..... redistribution.
But conservatives have no problem with that sort of redistribution, it is only when the money flows the other way that they have a problem.
londonfog
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very well stated