So taxing the shit out of everything under the sun including cows farting is saving us money? I don't see how higher taxes equates into us saving money. Please explain.
Coming from somone that can't even defend the stupid post they made about the absolute horseshit of an idea (government run health care) you make a good point about having to embrace Obama. If you just take those two sentences. But that is what you do I guess, pick out a line or two make a good point about them with complete disregard to the entire thing.
Only the fact that is the stupidist thing ever, and a complete lie. You really should try to think for yourself. They have never had and never will tax farts. That was pompus talk by some politicians getting a soundbite out there for the idiots that would be stupid enough to believe it.
Government health care is a horseshit of an idea. So Obama makes you embrace horse shit, too. And you doo. And you doo.
So you believe that their "green bill" will not raise taxes at all? It wasn't pompous talk by some politicians. The EPA suggested it.
You keep doing this tactic. Say something completely ignorant like taxing cow farts, then when called out on it you come back with something totally different. Go to the EPA's website and search for the word cow farts. There is nothing there it was all crap meant to scare the stupid. So get over it, most of the 'information' you have bought into is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by hanimmal
Only the fact that is the stupidist thing ever, and a complete lie. You really should try to think for yourself. They have never had and never will tax farts. That was pompus talk by some politicians getting a soundbite out there for the idiots that would be stupid enough to believe it.
So you believe that their "green bill" will not raise taxes at all? It wasn't pompous talk by some politicians. The EPA suggested it.
Methane aside, do you really believe our taxes will not be raised by this?
Man you came off very racist, get over it. And funny enough you have yet to say your not. How about you tell us how you have a black friend now.:f inger:
But it doesn't say anything about implementation of it. And those things say nothing about taxing farmers.
Why do people wonder why Obama doesn't drop every possible (and changing) detail of every program, when people take scientific discussions and turn it into 'facts'.
Do you also believe that Obama's health care plan won't put people's lives at risk too?
Check a couple pages ago. Someone posted the bill with the comments that have everyone afraid, I took a few hours to actually read it and went over every part of it. It is complete bullcrap that they are saying it is going to do all these things. What happened was the people that started those lies did so with the hope that noone would actually take the time to read it for themselves.
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SEC. 102- Outlaws private insurance by forbidding enrollment after HR 3022 is passed into law.
H.R. 3200 states:
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
Look at it again, closely: You can keep your current care as it is, add as many family under the current construct.
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Your focusing on "(1) LIMITATIONONNEWENROLLMENT.—
(A) INGENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first ef-14
fective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1."
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SEC. 122- YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
H.R. 3200 states:
SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.
(2) ANNUAL LIMITATION-
(A) ANNUAL LIMITATION- The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph (B).
(B) APPLICABLE LEVEL- The applicable level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year by the annual percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index (United States city average) applicable to such year.
(C) USE OF COPAYMENTS- In establishing cost-sharing levels for basic, enhanced, and premium plans under this subsection, the Secretary shall, to the maximum extent possible, use only copayments and not coinsurance.
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SEC. 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
H.R. 3200 States:
SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.— IN GENERAL.—There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.
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SEC. 142 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
SEC. 142 DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER
(a) Duties- The Commissioner is responsible for carrying out the following functions under this division:
(1) QUALIFIED PLAN STANDARDS- The establishment of qualified health benefits plan standards under this title, including the enforcement of such standards in coordination with State insurance regulators and the Secretaries of Labor and the Treasury.
(2) HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE- The establishment and operation of a Health Insurance Exchange under subtitle A of title II.
(3) INDIVIDUAL AFFORDABILITY CREDITS- The administration of individual affordability credits under subtitle C of title II, including determination of eligibility for such credits.
(4) ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS- Such additional functions as may be specified in this division.
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SEC. 152- HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, ILLEGAL or otherwise.
H.R. 3200 states:
SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.
(a) In General- Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.
(b) Implementation- To implement the requirement set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act are provided (whether directly or through contractual, licensing, or other arrangements) without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.
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SEC. 163. - Gov't will have real-time access to individuals' finances and a national ID health card will be issued- Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer. This means the government can go in and take your money right out of your bank account.
H.R. 3200 states:
SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION.
(a) Standardizing Electronic Administrative Transactions-
(1) IN GENERAL- Part C of title XI of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1320d et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 1173 the following new section:
(D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;
(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims;
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SEC. 201. - Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.
H.R. 3200 states:
SEC. 201. ESTABLISHMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE; OUTLINE OF DUTIES; DEFINITIONS.
(a) Establishment- There is established within the Health Choices Administration and under the direction of the Commissioner a Health Insurance Exchange in order to facilitate access of individuals and employers, through a transparent process, to a variety of choices of affordable, quality health insurance coverage, including a public health insurance option.
(b) Outline of Duties of Commissioner- In accordance with this subtitle and in coordination with appropriate Federal and State officials as provided under section 143(b), the Commissioner shall--
(1) under section 204 establish standards for, accept bids from, and negotiate and enter into contracts with, QHBP offering entities for the offering of health benefits plans through the Health Insurance Exchange, with different levels of benefits required under section 203, and including with respect to oversight and enforcement;
(2) under section 205 facilitate outreach and enrollment in such plans of Exchange-eligible individuals and employers described in section 202; and
(3) conduct such activities related to the Health Insurance Exchange as required, including establishment of a risk pooling mechanism under section 206 and consumer protections under subtitle D of title I.
(c) Exchange-participating Health Benefits Plan Defined- In this division, the term `Exchange-participating health benefits plan' means a qualified health benefits plan that is offered through the Health Insurance Exchange.
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SEC. 203. – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange and again RATIONS health care.
H.R. 3200 States:
SEC. 203. BENEFITS PACKAGE LEVELS.
(a) In General- The Commissioner shall specify the benefits to be made available under Exchange-participating health benefits plans during each plan year, consistent with subtitle C of title I and this section.
(b) Limitation on Health Benefits Plans Offered by Offering Entities- The Commissioner may not enter into a contract with a QHBP offering entity under section 204(c) for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan in a service area unless the following requirements are met:
(1) REQUIRED OFFERING OF BASIC PLAN- The entity offers only one basic plan for such service area.
(2) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF ENHANCED PLAN- If and only if the entity offers a basic plan for such service area, the entity may offer one enhanced plan for such area.
(3) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM PLAN- If and only if the entity offers an enhanced plan for such service area, the entity may offer one premium plan for such area.
(4) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM-PLUS PLANS- If and only if the entity offers a premium plan for such service area, the entity may offer one or more premium-plus plans for such area.
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SEC. 205. - The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan AND Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice!
H.R. 3200 States:
SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.
(A) IN GENERAL-
(1) OUTREACH- The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection (c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals and employers about the Health Insurance Exchange and Exchange-participating health benefits plan options. Such outreach shall include outreach specific to vulnerable populations, such as children, individuals with disabilities, individuals with mental illness, and individuals with other cognitive impairments.
(3) AUTOMATIC ENROLLMENT FOR NON-MEDICAID ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS-
(A) IN GENERAL- The Commissioner shall provide for a process under which individuals who are Exchange-eligible individuals described in subparagraph (B) are automatically enrolled under an appropriate Exchange-participating health benefits plan. Such process may involve a random assignment or some other form of assignment that takes into account the health care providers used by the individual involved or such other relevant factors as the Commissioner may specify.
(3) AUTOMATIC ENROLLMENT OF MEDICAID ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS INTO MEDICAID- The Commissioner shall provide for a process under which an individual who is described in section 202(d)(3) and has not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan is automatically enrolled under Medicaid.
They jumped so much here that it does not make sense. A to 3 is not a number system that I am used to so I am again guessing that something in there was important. And where do you see Acorn or Ameritrade's name in there?
The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection (c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals and employers about the Health Insurance Exchange and Exchange-participating health benefits plan options
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SEC. 223.- No company can sue the GOVERNMENT on price fixing! No “judicial review” against Government Monopoly!!
H.R. 3200 States:
SEC. 223. PAYMENT RATES FOR ITEMS AND SERVICES
(f) Limitations on Review- There shall be no administrative or judicial review of a payment rate or methodology established under this section or under section 224.
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SEC. 225. – Doctors/ AMA – The Government will tell YOU what you can make.
H.R. 3200 States:
SEC. 225. PROVIDER PARTICIPATION
(a) In General- The Secretary shall establish conditions of participation for health care providers under the public health insurance option.
(b) Licensure or Certification- The Secretary shall not allow a health care provider to participate in the public health insurance option unless such provider is appropriately licensed or certified under State law.
(c) Payment Terms for Providers-
(1) PHYSICIANS- The Secretary shall provide for the annual participation of physicians under the public health insurance option, for which payment may be made for services furnished during the year, in one of 2 classes:
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physicians who agree to accept the payment rate established
under section 223 (without regard to cost-sharing) as the payment in full.
(B) PARTICIPATING, NON-PREFERRED PHYSICIANS- Those physicians who agree not to impose charges (in relation to the payment rate described in section 223 for such physicians) that exceed the ratio permitted under section 1848(g)(2)(C) of the Social Security Act.
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SEC. 312. - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan and employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families. NO CHOICE!!
H.R. 3200 States:
SEC. 312. EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS EMPLOYEE AND DEPENDENT COVERAGE
(a) In General- An employer meets the requirements of this section with respect to an employee if the following requirements are met:
(1) OFFERING OF COVERAGE- The employer offers the coverage described in section 311(1) either through an Exchange-participating health benefits plan or other than through such a plan.
(2) EMPLOYER REQUIRED CONTRIBUTION- The employer timely pays to the issuer of such coverage an amount not less than the employer required contribution specified in subsection (b) for such coverage.
(3) PROVISION OF INFORMATION- The employer provides the Health Choices Commissioner, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Secretary of the Treasury, as applicable, with such information as the Commissioner may require to ascertain compliance with the requirements of this section.
(4) AUTOENROLLMENT OF EMPLOYEES- The employer provides for autoenrollment of the employee in accordance with subsection (c).
(b) Reduction of Employee Premiums Through Minimum Employer Contribution-
(3) MINIMUM EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION FOR EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES- In the case of coverage for an employee who is not a full-time employee, the amount of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection shall be a proportion (as determined in accordance with rules of the Health Choices Commissioner, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Secretary of the Treasury, as applicable) of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection with respect to a full-time employee that reflects the proportion of--
(A) the average weekly hours of employment of the employee by the employer, to
(B) the minimum weekly hours specified by the Commissioner for an employee to be a full-time employee.
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SEC. 401. - ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income AND Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
H.R. 3200 STATES:
SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE
Subpart A--Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage
`Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
`SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
`(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--
(1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over
(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
(c) Exceptions-
(2) NONRESIDENT ALIENS- Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual who is a nonresident alien.
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SEC. 1122. - Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.
H.R. 3200 STATES:
SEC. 1122. MISVALUED CODES UNDER THE PHYSICIAN FEE SCHEDULE.
(a) In General- Section 1848(c)(2) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-4(c)(2)) is amended by adding at the end the following new subparagraphs:
(K) POTENTIALLY MISVALUED CODES-
(i) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall--
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SEC. 1141. - Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs
H.R. 3200 STATES:
PART 3--OTHER PROVISIONS
SEC. 1141. RENTAL AND PURCHASE OF POWER-DRIVEN WHEELCHAIRS.
(a) In General- Section 1834(a)(7)(A)(iii) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395m(a)(7)(A)(iii)) is amended--
(1) in the heading, by inserting `CERTAIN COMPLEX REHABILITATIVE' after `OPTION FOR'; and
(2) by striking `power-driven wheelchair' and inserting `complex rehabilitative power-driven wheelchair recognized by the Secretary as classified within group 3 or higher'.
(b) Effective Date- The amendments made by subsection (a) shall take effect on January 1, 2011, and shall apply to power-driven wheelchairs furnished on or after such date. Such amendments shall not apply to contracts entered into under section 1847 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-3) pursuant to a bid submitted under such section before October 1, 2010, under subsection (a)(1)(B)(i)(I) of such section.
And what exactely is classified as group 3 or higher?
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SEC. 1145. – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing! You may not get that 'specilized' cancer treatment center as an option.
H.R. 3200 STATES:
SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS.
Section 1833(t) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395l(t)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
(1AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT FOR CANCER HOSPITALS-
(A) STUDY- The Secretary shall conduct a study to determine if, under the system under this subsection, costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) with respect to ambulatory payment classification groups exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection (as determined appropriate by the Secretary).
(B) AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT- Insofar as the Secretary determines under subparagraph (A) that costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection, the Secretary shall provide for an appropriate adjustment under paragraph (2)(E) to reflect those higher costs effective for services furnished on or after January 1, 2011.'.
You know what I am done. I think that if you read this you will see that the ideas highlighted at the top of each quote is absolutely horseshit. Think for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you chose not to trust people that we elect, so be it, but don't toss your trust into the fucking idiots that are gaining from peoples stupidity.
AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT FOR CANCER HOSPITALS-
The person that cut and pasted that wrote their comments into it. The red above is what they wrote. The rest is this:
That is the full text of it.
So under no way are you even close to right. If you want the full unbullshitted veiw of this bill here you go:
